Is Sally Saved?
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We can know if a person is Saved. For it is written:
Act_16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
Mar_16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Act_2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom_10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Rom_10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
So we can know if we are Saved. Now Once we are Saved we should endure to the end to remain Saved.
Mat_24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
Mar_13:13 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
2Ti_4:3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
Mat_10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
Heb_3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if (CONDITIONAL) we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.
Heb_3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if (CONDITIONAL) we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;
Rev_2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
This generation would do well to study the Scriptures and find out what it means if a person does NOT endure to the End. Does NOT overcome. Does NOT keep His WORKS unto the end. Before it is to late for them. There will be much weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Sally is Saved according to Scriptures. Now if she endures to the end to remain Saved, that all depends on her, and what she decides to DO.
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DiscipleDave
i also agree that she is Saved according to what Scriptures plainly teach. Now if she endures to the end and remains Saved that is entirely different story.
Sally is Saved. But can she deny Christ tomorrow? Can she hate someone tomorrow? Can she have unforgiveness towards someone tomorrow? Can she choose to fall away from God tomorrow? Is it possible that she can stop believing that God even exists tomorrow?
i know a woman, she was the most Godliest woman i have ever met. She was always helping people, working in soup kitchens, food drives, clothing drives, volunteering at nursing homes and the such, in the Church whenever anything at all was going on there. Her house was full of Jesus Pictures and Angels. She loved collecting Angel stuff. Any time i would see her on the Streets i would ask "Who are you going to help now?" she would laugh then tell me who she was going to help. i have never in my life seen someone so devoted to God, a True Christian, in my life, nor have i yet to come across a person that was on Fire for Jesus as she was. She was SAVED. She was a devout Christian.
i moved away, but i seen her a few years later. i seen her on the Streets and i asked her "So who are you going to help now?" laughing, she did not laugh, nor even smile at me. i asked her whats wrong? She said something to me that blew my mind, she said "I don't believe in a God any more" After much convincing her to talk about it, to tell me what happened, she agreed and i met her at her house. OH my Goodness. NO Angels, No Christian related pictures. Her place was drab, cold, and dreary looking. It was awful. Anyway. She told me her story. That it was her grandmother who introduced her to Jesus Christ, she was a very Godly woman, and was Holy in her eyes, she never did any wrong in her eyes. Her Grandmother was the most Holiest person that she knew. But she got some kind of disease, a very painful disease. Her Grandmother suffered miserable for a very long time. She prayed without ceasing for her grandmother, even offering up her life in place of hers. God did not answer, and her grandmother continues to suffer every day. When her grandmother died, she was convinced "There is no God" She denied Jesus Christ, She became Atheist. She would not recongnize or serve any God that would allow her Grandmother to go through what she did. Tell me is she still Saved? i know for a Fact that she WAS SAVED, but no longer Saved. She did not endure to the end, She denied Jesus Christ, she chose to fall from the Faith.
Now many people will say that she was not TRULY Saved then, these are liars, and do not know the TRUTH at all. She was SAVED, She WAS a Christian, SHE did believe in Jesus and worshiped Him fervently. She even brought people to the Lord. So you can go ahead and say she wasn't Saved, in order to protect the false doctrine that you hold on to dearly (OSAS) So as to not have to change your belief to line up with Scriptures. She WAS SAVED. Her name WAS written in the Book of Life, and it has been blotted out of the Book of Life. Those who believe the false doctrine OSAS will remain blind to this TRUTH, because to them, it is not possible for a person to be once SAVED to no longer be SAVED, therefore they use the EXCUSE "Well then they were not TRULY SAVED to begin with" Lies from satan!
Sally is Saved according to the Word of God. Now if she will remain that way is up to her. If she endures to the end is up to her. OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Sally is Saved. But can she deny Christ tomorrow? Can she hate someone tomorrow? Can she have unforgiveness towards someone tomorrow? Can she choose to fall away from God tomorrow? Is it possible that she can stop believing that God even exists tomorrow?
i know a woman, she was the most Godliest woman i have ever met. She was always helping people, working in soup kitchens, food drives, clothing drives, volunteering at nursing homes and the such, in the Church whenever anything at all was going on there. Her house was full of Jesus Pictures and Angels. She loved collecting Angel stuff. Any time i would see her on the Streets i would ask "Who are you going to help now?" she would laugh then tell me who she was going to help. i have never in my life seen someone so devoted to God, a True Christian, in my life, nor have i yet to come across a person that was on Fire for Jesus as she was. She was SAVED. She was a devout Christian.
i moved away, but i seen her a few years later. i seen her on the Streets and i asked her "So who are you going to help now?" laughing, she did not laugh, nor even smile at me. i asked her whats wrong? She said something to me that blew my mind, she said "I don't believe in a God any more" After much convincing her to talk about it, to tell me what happened, she agreed and i met her at her house. OH my Goodness. NO Angels, No Christian related pictures. Her place was drab, cold, and dreary looking. It was awful. Anyway. She told me her story. That it was her grandmother who introduced her to Jesus Christ, she was a very Godly woman, and was Holy in her eyes, she never did any wrong in her eyes. Her Grandmother was the most Holiest person that she knew. But she got some kind of disease, a very painful disease. Her Grandmother suffered miserable for a very long time. She prayed without ceasing for her grandmother, even offering up her life in place of hers. God did not answer, and her grandmother continues to suffer every day. When her grandmother died, she was convinced "There is no God" She denied Jesus Christ, She became Atheist. She would not recongnize or serve any God that would allow her Grandmother to go through what she did. Tell me is she still Saved? i know for a Fact that she WAS SAVED, but no longer Saved. She did not endure to the end, She denied Jesus Christ, she chose to fall from the Faith.
Now many people will say that she was not TRULY Saved then, these are liars, and do not know the TRUTH at all. She was SAVED, She WAS a Christian, SHE did believe in Jesus and worshiped Him fervently. She even brought people to the Lord. So you can go ahead and say she wasn't Saved, in order to protect the false doctrine that you hold on to dearly (OSAS) So as to not have to change your belief to line up with Scriptures. She WAS SAVED. Her name WAS written in the Book of Life, and it has been blotted out of the Book of Life. Those who believe the false doctrine OSAS will remain blind to this TRUTH, because to them, it is not possible for a person to be once SAVED to no longer be SAVED, therefore they use the EXCUSE "Well then they were not TRULY SAVED to begin with" Lies from satan!
Sally is Saved according to the Word of God. Now if she will remain that way is up to her. If she endures to the end is up to her. OSAS is a doctrine of the devil.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Since when is asking a hypothetical question playing God? or asking people to be God?
It was a simple question, is Sally Saved. And According to Scriptures because she believes in Jesus Christ, she is Saved. How is believing what Scriptures teach playing God? lol. Seriously?
Simple hypothetical Question, which you make it into playing God thing. lol.
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DiscipleDave
It was a simple question, is Sally Saved. And According to Scriptures because she believes in Jesus Christ, she is Saved. How is believing what Scriptures teach playing God? lol. Seriously?
Simple hypothetical Question, which you make it into playing God thing. lol.
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DiscipleDave
That is a good point. But in this hypothetical situation, i have plainly and clearly told you what she believes did i not?
Did i not say she believes in Jesus Christ. Therefore i did not leave any doubts to what this hypothetical Sally believes or did not believe. i plainly said she believes in Jesus Christ is she Saved or not.
Scriptures plainly teach if you believe in Jesus Christ, you ARE SAVED. Therefore in this hypothetical situation of Sally, when i said that She believes in Jesus Christ, then Scriptural she is indeed SAVED. Because that is what Scriptures plainly teaches. Those who believe in Jesus Christ are SAVED. So the Question is NOT impossible to answer, as many has answered correctly saying she is Saved.
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DiscipleDave
Did i not say she believes in Jesus Christ. Therefore i did not leave any doubts to what this hypothetical Sally believes or did not believe. i plainly said she believes in Jesus Christ is she Saved or not.
Scriptures plainly teach if you believe in Jesus Christ, you ARE SAVED. Therefore in this hypothetical situation of Sally, when i said that She believes in Jesus Christ, then Scriptural she is indeed SAVED. Because that is what Scriptures plainly teaches. Those who believe in Jesus Christ are SAVED. So the Question is NOT impossible to answer, as many has answered correctly saying she is Saved.
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DiscipleDave
Sally is sitting in the Pew of a Church, her friend got her to go to church with her. When she hears the message she is convicted by her sins, she hears about Jesus, and wants to become a Christian. She knows she is sinner and wants to be forgiven.
At the alter call, she walks up to the preacher, and says i believe that Jesus is the Son of God, i believe that He rose from the dead. i confess my sins to Jesus Christ and i repent of them. She then asks the Preacher "Am I a Christian now? Am I saved? Is my name written in the Book of Life?" He then tells her she is a Christian and she is Born again and is Saved and that her name is written in the Book of Life.
The very next day she is water baptised.
Tell me, is Sally SAVED?
I think this is a trick question.
Notice the fact that "Jesus died for her," the "Blood of Jesus" and the "Lamb's" Book of Life are not mentioned.
Hmmmmm...............
Notice the fact that "Jesus died for her," the "Blood of Jesus" and the "Lamb's" Book of Life are not mentioned.
Hmmmmm...............
According to Scriptures if a person believes that Jesus is the Son of God, rose from the dead, than that person is SAVED. Therefore according to Scriptures, the Sally in the above hypothetical situation is indeed Saved, because the hypothetical situation plainly and clearly states what Sally believed, she believes in Jesus. Therefore according to scriptures SALLY IS SAVED.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Agree with all that you say above, it is what you say below that is not Scriptural.
Scriptures plainly and clearly teach that Jesus paid for our sins that are past.
Rom_3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
It does not say what this generation likes to believe it says, that Jesus righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, present and future.
Scriptures also plainly teaches whose sins are covered by His Blood.
1Jn_1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him (Claim to be Saved), and walk in darkness (knowingly and willingly commit sin), we lie, and do not the truth: But IF (CONDITIONAL) we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
When does His blood cleanse us from all sin? When we are walking in the light and NOT in darkness. When we are not living in sin, which is darkness. Woe to this generation who refuses to believe the Word of God and what it plainly teaches. This generation would rather hold on to false doctrines and change the Word of God to fit into their own beliefs, INSTEAD of changing their belief to line up with Scriptures. Now this generation will use verse 8 to negate or make void verses 6 and 7, see if they don't.
Scriptures plainly teach those who walk in the light are they that are covered by His Blood. But this generation continue to live in sin all the while proclaiming with their mouths they are walking in the light, whited walls they are. On the outside they appear to be Good Christians, but on the inside they watch porn, they have lustful thoughts and dwell upon them, they continue to live in sin, and do not try to even cease from them. Woe to them indeed, they choose to believe lies of satan over what the Word of God plainly teaches. These same will pick and choose which verses they will believe and hold on to, and which ones they will ignore, make void, or interpret away. On the outside they claim they Christian, SAVED, but out of their hearts they obey satan and continue to obey satan and his temptations to continue to live in sin. These same know not that their master is to whom they obey, this is yet another verse they ignore, make void, or interpret away. Lost sheep they are, seeds thrown by the wayside, or on stony places. These same produce no good fruits, and condemn those who teach you should have good fruits. Blind they are, and these will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. And it won't be because God did not try to warn them of their thinking errors, for God has sent His servants to teach them the TRUTH, and they reject it in order to keep their own doctrines. Woe to them indeed.
i have told you the TRUTH, which i testify comes from God. So if it makes you feel better to think that it is Dave that you don't believe, the TRUTH is you don't believe God that told me these things. But its not like God did not try to reach you with His TRUTHS through His servants. He has, and is trying to do so, because He loves you.
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††† In His Holy and Precious Name, Jesus Christ †††
DiscipleDave
Sally is sitting in the Pew of a Church, her friend got her to go to church with her. When she hears the message she is convicted by her sins, she hears about Jesus, and wants to become a Christian. She knows she is sinner and wants to be forgiven.
At the alter call, she walks up to the preacher, and says i believe that Jesus is the Son of God, i believe that He rose from the dead. i confess my sins to Jesus Christ and i repent of them. She then asks the Preacher "Am I a Christian now? Am I saved? Is my name written in the Book of Life?" He then tells her she is a Christian and she is Born again and is Saved and that her name is written in the Book of Life.
The very next day she is water baptised.
Tell me, is Sally SAVED?
Nobody was pretending that Sally was a real person, this is something that you have deduced. Sally is a hypothetical person, The situation is a hypothetical situation. Never said Sally was a real person that i know.
Surely you are aware because this is how YOU felt does not mean EVERYONE else felt the same way. If you reread the above hypothetical situation, you will see that Sally was talked into coming to church by her friend, she was an unbeliever. So please try to stay on track with the above hypothetical situation, if everyone adds stuff to the situation it would get real confusing fast. Now, according to the above hypothetical situation, according to the information given, is Sally Saved or not?
All this information about you and what you believe, has nothing to do with this thread. please try to stay on topic. Thanks.
Again, you seem to know the minds of Everyone. i assure without lying i have brought people to the Lord Jesus Christ, and they did ask exactly what i said in the above situation. So it is only apparent that you don't know what your talking about. Just because you experienced becoming SAVED a certain way, does not mean everyone else comes to be SAVED like you were Saved.
The pile of stuff as you call it, comes from the Word of God and what Scriptures teaches a person must do to be Saved.
lol. if Scriptures says if a person believes in Jesus, they are Saved, Then saying if you believe in Jesus your Saved has nothing to do with being Saved. lol. Are you 10? or are you older?
Scriptures teach if a person believes in Jesus Christ they are SAVED. Sally believes in Jesus Christ, therefore according to scriptures she is Saved. Now if you want to discuss if Sally remains Saved, i can come up with another hypothetical situation if you want me to.
Again, it seems you are revealing your age. Who has asked you to prove something? Where are you even coming up with that? The poll is merely a simple question asking if Sally is Saved or not. i gave a hypothetical situation concerning Sally. All i am asking people is Sally Saved or not. You saying that you KNOW that i am asking for you to PROVE something, is all in your head.
sigh... .. .
huh? Dude, drugs are not the way to go. Not saying that you do drugs, only making a true comment that drugs are not the way to go.
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DiscipleDave
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One requirement to be saved from scripture --
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John 6:39 [FONT="]And [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]this is the will of him who sent me, [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]that I should lose nothing of [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]all that he has given me, but [/FONT][FONT="][/FONT][FONT="]raise it up on the last day.[/FONT]