Calvinists: The Just Shall Live BEFORE Having Faith

[Depleted]

Yea but he is looking like Arthur Dent here
Blessings
Bill

Look behind him. That's "Who" he is in this scene. lol

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The catholics believe in jesus, are they saved
many jews believed in jesus, yet many added works of the law to the gospel. were they saved even though they added works, and God said they should be damned?
The muslims believe in Jesus, Are they saved?
SOme believe in jesus yet want nothign to do with him, or his church, are they saved?

Again, Your continue to not understand what I think about belief, that one can believe something and not trust it.

I think we have to get that straightened out first.

ps. I see no place in your post where you called out to God to be saved. did you? and if you did, why did you even think you needed to be saved?

Some catholics are saved. You must not be in no error in order to be saved. We have many errors that He corrects. He doesn't demand we have no error in understanding in order to give us the Holy Spirit.

So you are looking for formulaic words that must be said an exact way from a person on the ground blubbering and crying so hard that they can't see or even stand up? I must say words an exact way and to your liking? Haha! No words are even necessary. He knew what was in my heart even if no words came from my mouth. Oh, lol. I'm sorry is not enough? I'm sorry, but you just make me laugh sometimes, brother.

 

[SovereignGrace]

If this is true, he was only crystallizing your beliefs with a concise statement.

I misunderstood his post and removed in from my sig accordingly. Its post #23 or 24 in the Romans 9 thread.

 

[tourist]

That would be tenet Bill.

Then what are tenants' tenets called?

Tenacity...

 

[SovereignGrace]

Then what are tenants' tenets called?

Uhhhhh...a lease?

 

[1ofthem]

Just want to put this verse up, just in case there is or will be any lost person reading this... that may feel God drawing them but find them self in the position that I was in, thinking that he would never want me or want to save me...

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


God is merciful.

 

[Depleted]

Yes that typically does happen. And one person gets attacked from all sides or one person is attacking everyone else.

Too much emotionalism...but why I do not understand.

If a person is so convinced they have the absolute truth, an airtight system of theology based on the word of God, it should stand up well to questioning.

In my experience, in my line of work the most assured confident person with a good grasp of the facts is the person who does not need or use ad hominem attacks.

...she says with an ad hominem attack in third paragraph, and absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread, except to do just that.

 

[preacher4truth]

I misunderstood his post and removed in from my sig accordingly. Its post #23 or 24 in the Romans 9 thread.

That's Christian, bro. We all make mistakes.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I misunderstood his post and removed in from my sig accordingly. Its post #23 or 24 in the Romans 9 thread.

Thank you, This is all I was asking

 

[notuptome]

I misunderstood his post and removed in from my sig accordingly. Its post #23 or 24 in the Romans 9 thread.

Simply illustrates why it is in poor taste to do such a thing. In the interim the damage to another posters reputation is done.

Attempting to humiliate other posters is an awfully bad practice.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Some catholics are saved. You must not be in no error in order to be saved. We have many errors that He corrects. He doesn't demand we have no error in understanding in order to give us the Holy Spirit.

So you are looking for formulaic words that must be said an exact way from a person on the ground blubbering and crying so hard that they can't see or even stand up? I must say words an exact way and to your liking? Haha! No words are even necessary. He knew what was in my heart even if no words came from my mouth. Oh, lol. I'm sorry is not enough? I'm sorry, but you just make me laugh sometimes, brother.

so only some Catholics are saved (I agree I may add)

All Catholics believe in Jesus, so why are they not all saved.

And no, I am not looking at formula words. The bible says whoever calls on the name of the lord will be saved, Did you call on the name of the lord to save you because you knew you were dead because of sin and needed saved?

 

[preacher4truth]

...she says with an ad hominem attack in third paragraph, and absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread, except to do just that.

Yes, exactly!

And just want to say "attack" is way over-used these days. Overly sensitive easily offended culture we live in.

 

[Depleted]

I said the gift is referring to Salvation so why are you attacking me?

Your whole purpose for this thread was to attack, and now you feel attacked?

 

[tourist]

That would be tenet Bill.

You and EG need not be so judgmental about my judgement on preacher4truth judgement on post#6 about devotiontobible's judgement.

It is also my judgement that asinine is not a "cuss" word.

BTW, did you also report preacher4truth's use of the same word on post 6 or are you selective about who you tattle on.

For starters, I didn't report anyone or have any intention to do so. I don't consider asinine a cuss word and did not imply that it was in anyone's posts. Show me where I said I reported someone or considered asinine a cuss word so I can retract it. It's not going to happen.

 

[SovereignGrace]

...she says with an ad hominem attack in third paragraph, and absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread, except to do just that.

I was on another site, and five or six guys piled on me all the time, and no one said anything, or did anything about. An admin there openly insulted me, and when I defended myself, got banned. preacher4truth and Iconoclast can verify this as truth, as they received the same treatment. We were continually attacked like it was a swarm of bees attacking us. The admins did squat to stop it, because they were of that same ilk. They have a pack of hyenas mentality.

 

[preacher4truth]

I was on another site, and five or six guys piled on me all the time, and no one said anything, or did anything about. An admin there openly insulted me, and when I defended myself, got banned. preacher4truth and Iconoclast can verify this as truth, as they received the same treatment. We were continually attacked like it was a swarm of bees attacking us. The admins did squat to stop it, because they were of that same ilk. They have a pack if hyenas mentality.

lolzzzz...they would post things from the internet that contained blatant lies. Proof would be given showing them this with documentation, and next thing you know there was a "login failure." LOL!

Does this mean they have a login their eye?

 

[Depleted]

But then how could we know this? It would appear it takes some type of specialized study of scripture

Yes, it does take "specialized study." It's called "reading in context without pulling out just one verse." Try it! Shocking results.

[h=1]John 3:16-21English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][h=3]For God So Loved the World[/h][FONT=&quot]16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”[/FONT]

 

[tourist]

That would be tenet Bill.

I was on another site, and five or six guys piled on me all the time, and no one said anything, or did anything about. An admin there openly insulted me, and when I defended myself, got banned. preacher4truth and Iconoclast can verify this as truth, as they received the same treatment. We were continually attacked like it was a swarm of bees attacking us. The admins did squat to stop it, because they were of that same ilk. They have a pack of hyenas mentality.

Bunch of lemmings marching to the same beat.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

...she says with an ad hominem attack in third paragraph, and absolutely nothing to contribute to this thread, except to do just that.

where is the attack, She said IF a person does something, thus she was not talking about anyone in particular?

 

[SovereignGrace]

lolzzzz...they would post things from the internet that contained blatant lies. Proof would be given showing them this with documentation, and next thing you know there was a "login failure." LOL!

Does this mean they have a login their eye?

Probably. All I want is to be debated fairly. But those guys posted emotionalism over scripture, which goes on in pretty much every message board I have been on.

Login their eye? More like a Beamer.