Not By Works

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heartofdavid said:
You are reframing things.

Separating walking Holy with some aversion to it being a threat to the free gift of grace.

Neither one is dishonest. That is just another aversion. (go after one's integrity).

But hey,it gets likes doesn't it?
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There are no likes on that post :confused:
(at least, not at the time of my composing this message)

Nobody denies that the Holy Spirit of God will lead us into good works.

What is contested is whether those works are necessary for salvation.

You seem to agree that they are not :)
 
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dcontroversal said:
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Your false rhetoric does not support your claim to fame.....and let us all guess....you are holy, righteous and all that and a bag of spiritual chips right.....
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Since the Bible does say I am holy and righteous after being born again and through Jesus Christ, I guess I am bag of spiritual chips.

Now am I lays, Frito's or Doritos?
 
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And that is what I totally agree with and said. I said we need people to come alongside those with strongholds.
Fight the battle with them.
The battle is to break down the stronghold.
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OK,but what I am getting at here is that I am seeing in the broadbrushing that it seems there is no such thing as a victorious on fire believer walking in holiness,vs a shipwrecked believer walking in sin and condemnation.

Just look a the opposition to the verses that describe those that have departed.
Look at what it takes in this thread to get basic bible concepts acknowledged.

Any such notion brings attacking. It is vicious in here. Why is that???? and get this,,,,it is the "grace" folks
 
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valleyofdecision said:
Since the Bible does say I am holy and righteous after being born again and through Jesus Christ, I guess I am bag of spiritual chips.

Now am I lays, Frito's or Doritos?
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Yes sir. That is declared over us. So beautiful.
 
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joefizz said:
Smart Aleck moment again..
Technically speaking only God,you and your wife can "see" your thoughts!:cool:
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Although I don't see my thoughts until my wife has subliminally put those thoughts into my mind.
 
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heartofdavid said:
OK,but what I am getting at here is that I am seeing in the broadbrushing that it seems there is no such thing as a victorious on fire believer walking in holiness,vs a shipwrecked believer walking in sin and condemnation.

Just look a the opposition to the verses that describe those that have departed.
Look at what it takes in this thread to get basic bible concepts acknowledged.

Any such notion brings attacking. It is vicious in here. Why is that???? and get this,,,,it is the "grace" folks
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Cannot be grace folks, if they knew what grace really was they would be walking in victory, not petting a condition that Christ eradicated through his shed blood.

Nobody is saved by their works, not one person.
 
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Magenta said:
There are no likes on that post :confused:
(at least, not at the time of my composing this message)

Nobody denies that the Holy Spirit of God will lead us into good works.

What is contested is whether those works are necessary for salvation.

You seem to agree that they are not :)
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Two separate issues.
DC seems to be struggling with that.
 
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valleyofdecision said:
Since the Bible does say I am holy and righteous after being born again and through Jesus Christ, I guess I am bag of spiritual chips.

Now am I lays, Frito's or Doritos?
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HAHAH hilarious...I will refrain until I get to know you and see how honest you are migo.....if you do not twist, embellish, add to or accuse of things not said....we will go with a good ole bag of Lays...the best.......... ;)
 
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valleyofdecision said:
Cannot be grace folks, if they knew what grace really was they would be walking in victory, not petting a condition that Christ eradicated through his shed blood.

Nobody is saved by their works, not one person.
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Well you said that a lot better than I could have.
 
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heartofdavid said:
OK,but what I am getting at here is that I am seeing in the broadbrushing that it seems there is no such thing as a victorious on fire believer walking in holiness,vs a shipwrecked believer walking in sin and condemnation.

Just look a the opposition to the verses that describe those that have departed.
Look at what it takes in this thread to get basic bible concepts acknowledged.

Any such notion brings attacking. It is vicious in here. Why is that???? and get this,,,,it is the "grace" folks
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Maybe we not broadbush.
It's easy to to do, fallen foul myself.

Just ask, get to know.
 
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heartofdavid said:
Two separate issues.
DC seems to be struggling with that.
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Are you talking about the guy with the Marine picture? If so, then I do not think he is struggling with what you think he is. I read some of his other posts on other threads and it seems he understands walking in newness of life. I think he is just defending this thread. No man is saved by any works he does, man is saved solely by grace and faith through Jesus Christ and what he did. A truly saved man will not return to his old way of life or be trapped in his old life. If he stays in his old life, then he was never really saved.
 
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dcontroversal said:
The proof is in the pudding and ALL who have eyes can see exactly how you operate and the dishonesty that pours from your statements......you push all this holiness and YET yourself cannot admit your own sinful ways when called on it in a public forum....just like above...several answered and yet you tell JOE no one answered.....tragic indeed
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This is toxic.
Very rude and toxic.

You do not know me,and you SURE do not understand what I am saying or where I am coming from.
You don't have to apologise. We will go a bit further before I ignore you.
You seem to have a bitterness in you. It is on your sleeve.
 
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valleyofdecision said:
Are you talking about the guy with the Marine picture? If so, then I do not think he is struggling with what you think he is. I read some of his other posts on other threads and it seems he understands walking in newness of life. I think he is just defending this thread. No man is saved by any works he does, man is saved solely by grace and faith through Jesus Christ and what he did. A truly saved man will not return to his old way of life or be trapped in his old life. If he stays in his old life, then he was never really saved.
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AMEN brother and you are spot on.....You just got elevated to BBQ LAYS HAH
 
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valleyofdecision said:
Are you talking about the guy with the Marine picture? If so, then I do not think he is struggling with what you think he is. I read some of his other posts on other threads and it seems he understands walking in newness of life. I think he is just defending this thread. No man is saved by any works he does, man is saved solely by grace and faith through Jesus Christ and what he did. A truly saved man will not return to his old way of life or be trapped in his old life. If he stays in his old life, then he was never really saved.
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I have seen believers fall and fail. They did know God,and I even want to assume he follows them in their backslidden condition.

It makes a difference when we love them and are aware of our own fickleness "there go I,but for the grace of God"
 
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heartofdavid said:
This is toxic.
Very rude and toxic.

You do not know me,and you SURE do not understand what I am saying or where I am coming from.
You don't have to apologise. We will go a bit further before I ignore you.
You seem to have a bitterness in you. It is on your sleeve.
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AND you think saying none have answered when they have is honest and not toxic....best thing to do is not address me....I do not mind dialogue and even a little heat, but when one cannot be honest about what is being said....it fires me to the core....and do not for one second assume bitterness for passion and an emphatic stance on the truth....simple solution...
 
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BillG said:
Although I don't see my thoughts until my wife has subliminally put those thoughts into my mind.
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Well you two are "as one" so she's just helping to "make communication easier"!:cool:
 
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Magenta said:
Dave's thread is dedicated to the fact that works do not save :)

I am not sure how you could have missed that :eek:
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Mention walking in Holiness and then duck,you will get a thorough teaching on how you are preaching saved by works,what a liar you are,and person attacking galore.
 
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