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An anti kjv thread, Do you know who else can't stand and tried to destroy the KJV? Satan.
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DiscipleDave
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If that is what you are Truly looking for, than the KJV is what you want. Only in the last days do people decide the KJV needs to be replaced, they deemed that what was Saving people for 400+ years needed to be changed, easier to read, easier to understand, and took thought that the KJV was outdated. etc.... etc... .
Here is an indisputable TRUTH. For over 400 years the KJV has been saving souls.
Here is another indisputable TRUTH. This generation thought the KJV was not good enough, and needed to be improved, corrected, interpreted, changed, needed to be BETTER than what was currently present the KJV.
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Here is an indisputable TRUTH. For over 400 years the KJV has been saving souls.
Here is another indisputable TRUTH. This generation thought the KJV was not good enough, and needed to be improved, corrected, interpreted, changed, needed to be BETTER than what was currently present the KJV.
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DiscipleDave
Those who are anti-KJV simply refuse to acknowledge THE FACT -- not an arrogant claim -- that the Authorized Version was the ONLY BIBLE for all English-speaking and English-reading Christians throughout the world -- North America and the British Empire -- for at least 300 years. All the major Bible study tools, systematic theologies, and recognized commentaries are based upon the KJB. And all of this is either ignored or dismissed as irrelevant. It is extremely relevant and important to understand today -- in 2018 -- that God used this translation for His glory and for the salvation of souls as no other translation has been used.
The "traditions of men" have absolutely nothing to do with recognizing and upholding the true Word of God in English. We are dealing in FACTS. The traditional Hebrew and Greek texts have nothing to do with the "traditions of men" but with the Divine preservation of Scripture. Until the 19th century all Christians acknowledged that the traditional Masoretic Hebrew and traditional Byzantine Greek texts of the Scripture represented the original autographs, since THE MAJORITY of extant manuscripts supported them.
How can a steadfast belief in the inspiration, inerrancy, infallibility, and Divine preservation of Scripture be a "religious dogma"? You either do not understand what a religious dogma is, or you do not understand the significance of the Divine preservation of Scripture.
This is not a matter of "forcing" anything on anyone, but of EXPOSING THE GREAT BIBLE VERSION HOAX. You already know that the theory of evolution is a hoax, and so is global warming. But most Christians are not aware that a major hoax was perpetrated on the Christian world by Westcott & Hort, and they got away with it. The hoax was to label the pure Bible texts as corrupt, and the corrupt Bible texts as pure! Who do you think was behind this attack on the written Word of God? Satan won a tremendous victory by sowing the seeds of confusion and dissension through the dozens of translation all claiming to be "the Word of God" and all at odds with each other.
I already showed you what the Trinitarian Bible Society is doing so that the common people have the genuine Word of God in their hands. No doubt you did not even bother to go to their website and see what they have to say. Thus your false allegation here.
You have two options before you: (1) search out the truth of the matter or (2) go along with the delusion which has been promoted by those opposed to the KJB and promoting the corrupted Bibles.
The "traditions of men" have absolutely nothing to do with recognizing and upholding the true Word of God in English. We are dealing in FACTS. The traditional Hebrew and Greek texts have nothing to do with the "traditions of men" but with the Divine preservation of Scripture. Until the 19th century all Christians acknowledged that the traditional Masoretic Hebrew and traditional Byzantine Greek texts of the Scripture represented the original autographs, since THE MAJORITY of extant manuscripts supported them.
How can a steadfast belief in the inspiration, inerrancy, infallibility, and Divine preservation of Scripture be a "religious dogma"? You either do not understand what a religious dogma is, or you do not understand the significance of the Divine preservation of Scripture.
This is not a matter of "forcing" anything on anyone, but of EXPOSING THE GREAT BIBLE VERSION HOAX. You already know that the theory of evolution is a hoax, and so is global warming. But most Christians are not aware that a major hoax was perpetrated on the Christian world by Westcott & Hort, and they got away with it. The hoax was to label the pure Bible texts as corrupt, and the corrupt Bible texts as pure! Who do you think was behind this attack on the written Word of God? Satan won a tremendous victory by sowing the seeds of confusion and dissension through the dozens of translation all claiming to be "the Word of God" and all at odds with each other.
I already showed you what the Trinitarian Bible Society is doing so that the common people have the genuine Word of God in their hands. No doubt you did not even bother to go to their website and see what they have to say. Thus your false allegation here.
You have two options before you: (1) search out the truth of the matter or (2) go along with the delusion which has been promoted by those opposed to the KJB and promoting the corrupted Bibles.
Yes, that is why i mentioned a Ghetto Bible, that version speaks in their own language for them to better understand the Scriptures. The NKJV is a version that takes out things like "Thou", "Thee", etc .. .
Here is a Wikipedia on the NKJV
The NKJV translation project was conceived by Arthur Farstad. It was inaugurated in 1975 with two meetings (Nashville and Chicago) of 130 biblical scholars, pastors, and theologians. The men who were invited prepared the guidelines for the NKJV.
The aim of its translators was to update the vocabulary and grammar of the King James Version, while preserving the classic style and literary beauty of the original 1611 KJV. The 130 translators believed in faithfulness to the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew texts including the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also agreed upon for most New King James Bibles were easier event descriptions, a history of each book, and added dictionary and updated concordance.
The NIV
The NIV began in 1956 with the formation of a small committee to study the value of producing a translation in the common language of the American people.[SUP][5][/SUP] The project was formally started after a meeting in 1965 at Trinity Christian College in Palos Heights, Illinois, of the Christian Reformed Church, National Association of Evangelicals, and a group of international scholars. The initial "Committee on Bible Translation" consisted of E. Leslie Carlson, Edmund Clowney, Ralph Earle, Jr., Burton L. Goddard, R. Laird Harris, Earl S. Kalland, Kenneth Kantzer, Robert H. Mounce, Charles F. Pfeiffer, Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Francis R. Steele, John H. Stek, J. C. Wenger, Stephen W. Paine, and Marten Woudstra. The New York Bible Society (now Biblica) was selected to do the translation. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978.
The NIV underwent a minor revision in 1984. A planned 1997 edition was discontinued over inclusive language.[SUP][6][/SUP]
A revised English edition titled Today's New International Version (TNIV) released a New Testament in March 2002, with the complete Bible published February 2005.
[h=3]2011 update[/h]In 2011, an updated version of the NIV was released. The update modified and dropped some of the gender-neutral language of the TNIV (such as going back to using "mankind" and "man" instead of "human beings" and "people"), along with other changes.[SUP][7][/SUP] Translational issues with Paul's letters were also addressed.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] Keith Danby, president and chief executive officer of Biblica, speaking of the TNIV, said they had failed to convince people revisions were needed and underestimated readers' loyalty to the 1984 edition.
imo 2019 there will be yet another revision to reflect gay marriages as acceptable, (just my opinion, and not from the Lord)
And when they find out even more errors are made in interpretations, they will again revise it.
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Here is a Wikipedia on the NKJV
The NKJV translation project was conceived by Arthur Farstad. It was inaugurated in 1975 with two meetings (Nashville and Chicago) of 130 biblical scholars, pastors, and theologians. The men who were invited prepared the guidelines for the NKJV.
The aim of its translators was to update the vocabulary and grammar of the King James Version, while preserving the classic style and literary beauty of the original 1611 KJV. The 130 translators believed in faithfulness to the original Greek, Aramaic, and Hebrew texts including the Dead Sea Scrolls. Also agreed upon for most New King James Bibles were easier event descriptions, a history of each book, and added dictionary and updated concordance.
The NIV
The NIV began in 1956 with the formation of a small committee to study the value of producing a translation in the common language of the American people.[SUP][5][/SUP] The project was formally started after a meeting in 1965 at Trinity Christian College in Palos Heights, Illinois, of the Christian Reformed Church, National Association of Evangelicals, and a group of international scholars. The initial "Committee on Bible Translation" consisted of E. Leslie Carlson, Edmund Clowney, Ralph Earle, Jr., Burton L. Goddard, R. Laird Harris, Earl S. Kalland, Kenneth Kantzer, Robert H. Mounce, Charles F. Pfeiffer, Charles Caldwell Ryrie, Francis R. Steele, John H. Stek, J. C. Wenger, Stephen W. Paine, and Marten Woudstra. The New York Bible Society (now Biblica) was selected to do the translation. The New Testament was released in 1973 and the full Bible in 1978.
The NIV underwent a minor revision in 1984. A planned 1997 edition was discontinued over inclusive language.[SUP][6][/SUP]
A revised English edition titled Today's New International Version (TNIV) released a New Testament in March 2002, with the complete Bible published February 2005.
[h=3]2011 update[/h]In 2011, an updated version of the NIV was released. The update modified and dropped some of the gender-neutral language of the TNIV (such as going back to using "mankind" and "man" instead of "human beings" and "people"), along with other changes.[SUP][7][/SUP] Translational issues with Paul's letters were also addressed.[SUP][8][/SUP][SUP][9][/SUP] Keith Danby, president and chief executive officer of Biblica, speaking of the TNIV, said they had failed to convince people revisions were needed and underestimated readers' loyalty to the 1984 edition.
imo 2019 there will be yet another revision to reflect gay marriages as acceptable, (just my opinion, and not from the Lord)
And when they find out even more errors are made in interpretations, they will again revise it.
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Other versions are fine to get the lost Saved, but once they are Saved, they should always compare their version to the Word of God (KJV) They will greatly error if they do not do so.
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DiscipleDave
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The Bible itself is nothing but wood and ink.<<snip>>
The Bible is a book made of paper and ink. The Word of God is suppose to be written on our hearts. Maybe that is the problem with this generation they think and believe the Word of God is actually written on paper and not on our hearts.
True, the Words that are contained in a Bible are the Words of God, but if nobody reads them, they are nothing. A Bible sitting in a chest on an uninhabited island, is of no value to God nor anyone else for that matter, UNTIL somebody picks it up and reads it.
This is not TRUE. i have many different times and have had conversations with Him. What? You don't think God speaks to people like He has always done in the past. Where in Scriptures do you read that God stops speaking to people, or is that just something that you lack Faith in?
Sure God can speak to us via His Word, He can speak to us via the environment, He can speak to us audibly, He can speak to us through animals, He can speak to us through Angels, He can speak to us through His prophets, He can speak to us through the Holy Ghost, He can speak to us through signs and wonders. But woe to those who say and/or think that God CAN'T speak to us in one of those ways above.
All those things are what the Bible instructs us to do. The DOING of those things is altogether another matter entirely. The Bible is instructions for the Christian believers. But it has no power at all, until a person starts applying those things into their lives. Just because the Bible says not to steal. Does not mean i will no longer steal. It is only when that is written on my heart that i will not steal that i apply that to my life and no longer steal anything, not even a toothpick from a restaurant.
The Bible is a book made of paper and ink. it is nothing. Now what makes it something is the belief that i have in what that Book says and teaches.
What? The Bible you have now, can't never be replaced by another? What? The Bible you have now is the Word of God and has to be treated as such? Do you put that book on a pedestal in your house? Do you bow down to it and worship it because it is the Word of God? Surely none of you do those things, it is a book. it can be replaced by going to Walmart and purchasing another one. You even get them free if you don't have one.
The Book itself is wood and ink, that is a fact and that is the TRUTH. A person can pick up that book and read it and it is not more the Word of God to that person than reading a fiction book. It is only the Word of God to those people who believe what is written in that Book is from God. The Word of God is written on your heart NOT on paper with ink.
Are you saying that an island full of people who are not Christian can't possibly come to be SAVED without a Bible? Really. What if a Christian without a Bible comes to the island, can that person teach them the Word of God that is written on that persons heart, WITHOUT a BIBLE? So then the Word of God is NOT a Book, not paper and ink, but the Word of God is what is written on a person heart from reading that Book made of paper and ink.
Do i need to go to the Bible to read the statement that Jesus is the Son of God. or is that written in my heart and i do not need a book to tell me that, i know it through and through, because that is written in my heart. How was it written in my heart? True, i read the Bible, or heard it spoken by another, but it was not a part of me until it was written on my heart. Apart from being written on a persons heart, they are mere words made by a press that pops out hundreds of Bibles an hour.
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Dave, I appreciate that your position is more gracious toward other translations than that of others. However, your first statement quoted above stands at odds with the other statements. You have essentially stated, "(Almost) any Bible is okay, but KJV is best" and then "I have not exalted the KJV". I beg to differ: you have set it up as your standard of accuracy, and by doing so you have exalted it; that is the essence of KJV-onlyism. I can only grant that your expression of it is not as exclusive or vitriolic as that of some others.
For over 400 years all they had was the KJV, how pathetic is that? i doubt any of them were actually Saved, you know, not having all the other versions to compare to and the such. God forbid. This generation has eyes but can't see.
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If I did not know what water was, I could read a million books on water, and have whatever belief about what water might be, but until I actually experience water, I am not going to know what water is. I feel as though there are many who know the Bible through and through, much more than me, but that is all they know, and then they claim they actually know God, that they speak for God, and can tell who is wrong, but mostly, who is wrong. It's not really a Godly talent!
So if i get a group of people together and come up with our own version of the Bible, that is a Holy Bible to you. Really? The Ghetto Bible is a real version made to help those who live in the Ghetto speak in their own language to come to the Lord Jesus Christ and get Saved. Are you saying that version is also a Holy Bible? Your Statment that "ANY Bible is the Holy Bible" is not correct. There are even devil Bibles written. There are Witchcraft Bibles written, none of them are Holy.
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DiscipleDave
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You used the discrepancy to try and show that the KJV was at fault. Which would logically mean that other versions would expose that fault. As it turned out every translation showed the same words, which means that that was the true reading in Hebrew. That was not an endorsement of other versions but a refutation of your claim that the KJV was at fault.
I have thoroughly checked out the options and stand securely with this conclusion:
(1) The KJV is a very trustworthy, reliable, and excellent translation of the original manuscripts
(2) The KJV written in English was not what God gave to Moses, or Paul, or Peter
(3) Other modern English translations have been used mightily by God and many among them are also very high quality translations. Some others among modern "translations" are not so reliable!
The idea that Satan and his demonic hordes are behind all of the modern translations? I think it more likely that Satan would inspire a conspiracy such as the KJV only crowd. Why? To keep the Bible in plain easy to read English out of the hand of the everyday American.
(1) The KJV is a very trustworthy, reliable, and excellent translation of the original manuscripts
(2) The KJV written in English was not what God gave to Moses, or Paul, or Peter
(3) Other modern English translations have been used mightily by God and many among them are also very high quality translations. Some others among modern "translations" are not so reliable!
The idea that Satan and his demonic hordes are behind all of the modern translations? I think it more likely that Satan would inspire a conspiracy such as the KJV only crowd. Why? To keep the Bible in plain easy to read English out of the hand of the everyday American.
The Holy Ghetto Bible
https://twitter.com/ghettoverses
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CAE1M...qmt=p&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_7ss7d3h8rm_p
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https://twitter.com/ghettoverses
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000CAE1M...qmt=p&hvbmt=bp&hvdev=c&ref=pd_sl_7ss7d3h8rm_p
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Only an imbecile would promote such nonsense. However the words given to Moses, Paul, and Peter were faithfully preserved in the majority of manuscripts of Hebrew and Greek, so when the printed Hebrew and Greek texts were faithfully translated into English (and other languages) they gave us the words given to these men by God. You can either believe that god preserved His Word or you can disbelieve it. But there can be only ONE Word of God.