Not By Works

[dcontroversal]

So you are quite defensive about your beliefs, but underneath you are quite a positive person. I'm just saying, regardless of our beliefs, of which we all have differing beliefs, you could speak about it, or debate (not argue) with people in a more positive less negative way, that's all.

To debate is one thing....but to debate something I have never said or implied that is a lie....is not debating.....and is no different than the Serpent in the GARDEN who

a. Questioned what GOD had really said
b. Embellished what God had said

There is no debating anyone when they are not honest with the facts and are willing to use deceit to make their points....

Explain how one debates that.......

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

You can't see it, but, yes, I am.

But I do agree that at many of you posting here and not just lurking will indeed be my burnt up works, not my work that will follow me into the kingdom. My labor is indeed in vain among those posting. My hope is those lurking are humble and are learning. They will be my reward when Jesus comes back.

My reward is growing by leaps and bounds this morning!

What happens if you are rewarded for all the BAD things you have done as well?

 

[NoNameMcgee]

So you are quite defensive about your beliefs, but underneath you are quite a positive person. I'm just saying, regardless of our beliefs, of which we all have differing beliefs, you could speak about it, or debate (not argue) with people in a more positive less negative way, that's all.

youre one to talk

a simple glance at your posts shows how often you take things out of context and say "negative" things

dont be a hypocrit

 

[NoNameMcgee]

Believers are cleansed and are Sanctified/made Holy, 100% positionally in Christ (1 Corinthians 1:2; 6:11), but what about practical, progressive holiness which becomes more and more evident in our actions, words, thoughts, attitudes, and motives? Do we claim to be sinless, without fault or defect, flawless, absolutely perfect, 100% of the time (in of ourselves)?

Blameless here does not mean that Job was sinless, without fault of defect, flawless, absolutely perfect 100% of the time. *Job had admitted his human sinfulness (Job 7:21; 13:26).*

Ecclesiastes 7:20 - For there is not a just man on earth who does good and does not sin.

Romans 3:23 - ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God.

amen


well said brother

 

[NoNameMcgee]

you know what Jesus actually said?

without adding our own words to it like you just did...


john 6
35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

36 But I said unto you, That ye also have seen me, and believe not.

37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.

39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

bump

for those who like to add dirty rags to His finished sacrifice



(He who began a good work in you will perform it to the day of Christ)



youre saved by HIS WORKS not your own

yes a genuine faith produces works

PERFECT
visible to ALL men at ALL times...

no

but some bare little fruit

some bare many

regardless

they are saved by Him
not their number of fruit or works

 

[MichaelOwen]

No squabbling....we are all in a fine mood....but as one who believes in eternal security I get sick of being accused of saying we can live in sin and or do as we please....NONE of us have ever said that or even implied that........but hey....when that is the only argument one can make against the promises of JESUS, his power and work on one's behalf........just saying.

Well one thing I know for a fact is once we get saved, we are free from the burden of sin, Christ took care of that, but that does not mean we go on sinning willfully. Paul said God forbid it....Paul even said sin can be fun for a season, but eventually it brings forth destruction. But as a saved and freed individual we should not try and justify any sin we find ourselves in. Christ knew that we would still sin in this fleshly body. But nobody should willfully choose to sin.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You are patting yourself on the back for [what you think] are your works already! I couldn't live like that. With that sense of entitlement for what I've done.

thats what pharisees do. They pat themselves not he back for how great they are, while judging the poor sinner who wants to base his faith in the grace this man named jesus who was crucified is supposedly offering.

 

[dcontroversal]

Well one thing I know for a fact is once we get saved, we are free from the burden of sin, Christ took care of that, but that does not mean we go on sinning willfully. Paul said God forbid it....Paul even said sin can be fun for a season, but eventually it brings forth destruction. But as a saved and freed individual we should not try and justify any sin we find ourselves in. Christ knew that we would still sin in this fleshly body. But nobody should willfully choose to sin.

Obviously...............

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well one thing I know for a fact is once we get saved, we are free from the burden of sin, Christ took care of that, but that does not mean we go on sinning willfully. Paul said God forbid it....Paul even said sin can be fun for a season, but eventually it brings forth destruction. But as a saved and freed individual we should not try and justify any sin we find ourselves in. Christ knew that we would still sin in this fleshly body. But nobody should willfully choose to sin.

I think this is dangerous. Any sin we commit (unless we are ignorant of it being a sin maybe) would be willful sin. To say we should not do willful sin to me would be excusing our sins and oopsie, or accidents. This is a dangerous practice.

Once we mature and understand that ANYTHING not done out of love is sin, we realise than anytime we ChOSE to serve self and not others. We are willfully sinning. Which means every sin we do is willfull.

 

[MichaelOwen]

I think this is dangerous. Any sin we commit (unless we are ignorant of it being a sin maybe) would be willful sin. To say we should not do willful sin to me would be excusing our sins and oopsie, or accidents. This is a dangerous practice.

Once we mature and understand that ANYTHING not done out of love is sin, we realise than anytime we ChOSE to serve self and not others. We are willfully sinning. Which means every sin we do is willfull.

And the Word also tells us to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

m7

But he didn't say that did he? Use your brain.

He is saying that salvation and works go together, as in, one who is saved does works, not to retain that salvation, not to make God happy. No, just that an outcome of salvation is doing works.

What is different about your life David, now you are saved? Try to let people know you, rather than speaking at people. If you want to inspire people here, inspire them with your examples. You don't seem to want to engage with people on their level, only engage with people who agree with you.

firstly you falsely accused david

i was a sinless perfectionist

and he often went back and forth with me

the people he tends to speak less carefully to

are the people who constantly reject truth and manipulate words


to me
you are actually much more kind than many of those on here who push a false gospel

i think you have some issues in your doctrine

but not only did you falsely accuse dave

you misunderstand ralph...
who tries to be subtle and constantly manipulates words

a liar

who has said works help justify in other words many times


sorry if i implied you ARE a hypocrit

but you did falsely accuse dave about his character

tell him to use his brain (when he obviously was)

then tell him to not be negative

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And the Word also tells us to him that knoweth to do good and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

amen, this is the issue, People who are promoting works or trying to climb the ladder of laws to become acceptable to God do not realise what sin really is.. So it makes it easier to see themselves as righteous people. When the reality is, they are just as guilty as all people everywhere.

 

[MichaelOwen]

amen, this is the issue, People who are promoting works or trying to climb the ladder of laws to become acceptable to God do not realise what sin really is.. So it makes it easier to see themselves as righteous people. When the reality is, they are just as guilty as all people everywhere.

You remember the parable Jesus told his disciples about the Pharisee and the publican who went to the temple to pray? Same thing still goes on today, you've got those who think they are better than everyone else, when in all reality, we should ALL be like the publican....Jesus said only one of those went to his house whole that day, and it sure wasn't the Pharisee

 

[LightLoveHope]

What defiles?

Whoever touches the dead body of anyone and fails to purify himself defiles the LORD's tabernacle. That person must be cut off from Israel. Because the water of cleansing has not been sprinkled on him, he is unclean; his uncleanness remains on him.
Numbers 19:13

I am wondering about those who defile the gospel of grace by their attitudes
and beliefs.

Does one validate an obvious blasphemy by engagement, rather than just
showing it for what it is?

So when we are called to be pure, and to cleanse ourselves from all impurity,
to engage with someone who rebels against this is just reinforcing their own
rebellion as if it something more than sin.

But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin.
If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:7-9

Dust builds up in our houses everyday, and needs to be cleaned away, even in clean houses.
So we are not without the capability of defilement or not walking in Holiness, we must walk
in faith and obedience, so our walk is pleasing in His sight.

But the spirit that expresses itself here is one of defeat, defilement and slavery to sin.

 

[preston39]

Paul explains it just fine in Ephesians chapter 6

d...,

The Bible does not use those words in the context you do.

But, I understand your failure to explain.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

What defiles?

sin

what saves?

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:


1 John Chapter 5

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You remember the parable Jesus told his disciples about the Pharisee and the publican who went to the temple to pray? Same thing still goes on today, you've got those who think they are better than everyone else, when in all reality, we should ALL be like the publican....Jesus said only one of those went to his house whole that day, and it sure wasn't the Pharisee

that is exactly why when we see people promoting works, or holiness or self righteousness, we should see the biggest red flag ever, Try to help them see the error of their way. And /or run far far away. Because thier is no Righteousness in self.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

sin

what saves?

John 3:16 - For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Romans 11:29 - For the gifts and calling of God [are] without repentance.

John 5:24 - Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.


John 6:37 - All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

John 10:28 - And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

Ephesians 2:8 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God:

Philippians 1:6 - Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform [it] until the day of Jesus Christ:


1 John Chapter 5

10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

12 He that hath the Son hath life; [and] he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

It was so much better when he was ranting and no one was responding to him.

 

[NoNameMcgee]

It was so much better when he was ranting and no one was responding to him.

lol im at work and have to go soon

but i saw illegitmate claims

ill be checking in to see if any others try to attack the eternal gift of salvation

by grace through faith CHRIST offers

it is only by imputed righteousness

not works

 

[LightLoveHope]

Please, if you actually believe in Jesus and the apostles, you need to listen to their teaching.

For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.
Therefore, he who rejects this instruction does not reject man but God, who gives you his Holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 4:7

If you know Jesus, and you desire to learn of Him, you are called to follow this
instruction. As Paul says, to reject this is to reject God.

This is not a complex statement, maybe hard to accept, but this is Gods word.

Listen to the apostles

And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds.
Hebrews 10:24

The spirit of those in rebellion is always to run away from the word of God.