Billy Graham has died at age 99.

[lightbearer]

Originally Posted by Lucy-Pevensie

It was God's decision to have six grown men force themselves into a 13 year old girl?

No Adam's.

Before you convict God or blame Adam you have to except your part in the action first at which point you will find that Adam is free from what you / they or I do and understand why God did not prevent it ..point look at yourself first even if you live in another country ///

I am not blaming anyone. We all our responsible for our own actions and how they affect others.

We are pebbles in the pond. Our Actions have consequences. My witness here in Pa. may very well or will have an impact on people's lives across the world, and down through the ages until Jesus comes.

Adam was made in the image and likeness of GOD. He very well knew the consequences of his action before it took place. Imagine the impact as the realization set in when they suffered the immediate consequences for their actions. And then all the iniquity caused by it that led to his son's murder.

Up to the culmination. The separation of mankind. Those who call on the LORD; Seth and his lineage. And those who do not.

Adam lived a life in anguish.

 

[lightbearer]

Brother you are right when you say it is "sad is we have made ourselves Judge." You yourself have made a judgement in calling others, "Judge."

We through our FATHER's Spirit can discern the actions of ourselves and others. Whether they are right or wrong according to GOD. But what we can't do is discern the heart of others and or their final destination.

That salvation is synergistic and not monergistic, in other words that man's chose is what causes us to be born again and it is not God's as stated in James 1:18 “Of his own will he brought us forth by the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.” and I Peter 1:3 “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! According to his great mercy, he has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,”

Do you believe in predestination?

Acts 2:21 “And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.’”

Romans 10:13 “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

I Corinthians 6:10 “And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”

Acts 4:12 “And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

Amen!

 

[jb]

That young girl is a sinner and if she aborted that baby, something you laud as justified, she's a murderer, and you're complicit.

Really? You pull the emotional card? Those who are lost are sinners, she needs to confess her sin to God just as all others, that's one thing your witnessing needs to include. She's already condemned, who said YOU needed to fulfill that for her, all outside of Christ are condemned.

She doesn't need you there to justify her sin or patronize her. Her freedom will come only when Christ takes on her GUILT and she owns it, although painful, and sees her need for forgiveness for all her sin.

Appealing to tears and emotions does NOT erase this fact, and two wrongs don't make a right as bad as YOU want it to.

Isaiah 65v5 comes to mind!

 

[PennEd]

I can't carry on this conversation. I'm on the verge of tears. It's cruelty to keep calling that young girl a murderer.
I'm trying to witness to her, not condemn her.

I am truly sorry to hear the horror your neighbor's daughter had to endure. Many times in this painful discussion we can speak in generalities with high minded principles, forgetting that there is an actual person that had to be subjected to that horror.

Although I still maintain that the baby is a person, God's Grace through the Blood of his Son is what this young lady, like ALL of us need. So very grateful she has such a loving sister like you to witness, guide, and comfort her.

I too am a murderer. I have been angry with my brothers MANY times. James tells us that if we break ANY tiny part of the Law we have broken it all.

Dear Father, thank You for Your Son. Our greatest prayer is that the Holy Spirit You have given us will more quickly transform us into the likeness of Him. Please cleanse us of our sinful thoughts, deeds, and judgments of others. Let us be the healing salve of love and peace to a hurting, broken world. In Jesus Name I pray.

 

[Speak2Me]

Now that some of you has labeled this 13 yr old girl as a baby killer, You might want to pray & ask God to forgive you for judging her because at that age, only the parents can make that decision without the daughter's permission.

Yeah, that would give her a terrible bout of depression.

 

[Budman]

My neighbour's foster daughter was brutally beaten and gang raped by 6 different men. (they told her she was a piece of rubbish and deserved it). The rapists impregnated her. She was 13. She is currently on anti-depressant medication. You may believe she should have been further punished by being forced to gestate and give birth to the seed of her rapists. I don't.
She is neither a criminal nor a murderer. She was barely out of childhood herself.

That is absolutely heartbreaking, Lucy - but punishing a child for the sins of its father is still wrong. I can certainly understand why she did what she did, and, if she is a Christian, God has already forgiven her, but to end the life of another human being who is innocent of the crime against its mother is still wrong - and is wrong in all circumstances.

Adoption lists are a mile long. Many couples wait years for a baby to adopt. Which is one of the reasons so many Americans adopt children from other countries.

As a man, I cannot identify with the trauma a woman goes through from rape. But that doesn't negate the truth that to kill a baby in the womb is a terrible sin. So much so, that in the Old Testament, God assigned the death penalty to anyone who caused injury to a pregnant woman that resulted in the loss of the baby. (Exodus 21:22-23)

 

[bunmi101]

I celebrate the grace upon this mans life..

 

[John146]

That is absolutely heartbreaking, Lucy - but punishing a child for the sins of its father is still wrong. I can certainly understand why she did what she did, and, if she is a Christian, God has already forgiven her, but to end the life of another human being who is innocent of the crime against its mother is still wrong - and is wrong in all circumstances.

Adoption lists are a mile long. Many couples wait years for a baby to adopt. Which is one of the reasons so many Americans adopt children from other countries.

As a man, I cannot identify with the trauma a woman goes through from rape. But that doesn't negate the truth that to kill a baby in the womb is a terrible sin. So much so, that in the Old Testament, God assigned the death penalty to anyone who caused injury to a pregnant woman that resulted in the loss of the baby. (Exodus 21:22-23)

I have heard many of children who were born of rape go on to do great things for the Lord.

 

[kaylagrl]

And so was i

I think you know me better and the point I was trying to make. So lets just drop it. Where Graham is now is between he and the Lord,our speculation won't change his position.

 

[slave]

Billy sent Catholics hungry for truth, who attended his crusades, back to their Catholic Churches. He praised the Pope, calling him a "Christian", and boasted that John Paul II said that he and Billy were "brothers".

He even said he supported abortion in cases of rape.

[video=youtube;wMUhnCJln1A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=710&v=wMUhnCJln1A[/video]

Forward to 11:40.

Sending people into the Catholic faith will certainly cause them to be damned. Saying abortion was okay in cases of rape is supporting the murder of an innocent baby.

Those are more than little "mistakes".

[h=1](Matthew 6:14-15): ...King James Version (KJV)[/h]14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

 

[jsr1221]

It's amazing, really. If you bring up the videos on the internet, or the fact that he was a freemason, or how he and Bill Clinton were good friends & thought Bill would have made a great evangelist, or how Norman Vincent Peale was one of his mentors, or Robert Schuller was one of his best friends, or that the RCC had constant relationships with him, or the absolute fact that Jesus said the world would only love its own, or that Graham was quoted saying sinners are saved that never knew Christ, or dozens of other things too numerous to tell, people would gang up on you for judging him, yet all the while they never really knew him & judged him straight into Heaven. As you can see, I don't care about popularity, but I do care about the truth.

Yet you're coming off as if you're judging He's in hell. It really doesn't do you any good, now does it? You won't know until you leave this Earth. So why even attempt to open a can of worms?

 

[jsr1221]

So we go from remembering Billy Graham to talking about a 13 year old girl who was raped at a younger age and is now being called a baby killer. You folks never seem to amaze me.

 

[preacher4truth]

Isaiah 65v5 comes to mind!

Ephesians 2v3 comes to mind!

 

[notuptome]

That young girl is a sinner and if she aborted that baby, something you laud as justified, she's a murderer, and you're complicit.

Really? You pull the emotional card? Those who are lost are sinners, she needs to confess her sin to God just as all others, that's one thing your witnessing needs to include. She's already condemned, who said YOU needed to fulfill that for her, all outside of Christ are condemned.

She doesn't need you there to justify her sin or patronize her. Her freedom will come only when Christ takes on her GUILT and she owns it, although painful, and sees her need for forgiveness for all her sin.

Appealing to tears and emotions does NOT erase this fact, and two wrongs don't make a right as bad as YOU want it to.

Murder earns zero empathy. Aborting a baby is no different than someone breaking into a house a murdering a baby in a crib.

Abortion is excuse less. We can’t usurp God’s authority, and say aborting a baby under ‘________’ circumstance is okay, but in ‘______’ circumstance it is murder.

Well this is a difficult thing to deal with. Sin should disgust us all and it should disgust us all the time not just when we are confronted with egregious examples like those offered in this thread.

It is undeniably true that the young girl who was defiled is a sinner. The men who defiled her are sinners. We can reconcile the men being condemned and justly sent to the lake of fire. The young girl we seek to find compassion for her and do not want to see her as justly deserving the same condemnation as those who violated her. Yet God has already stated that all who sin are in fact justly condemned.

How do we find and demonstrate compassion in this situation? How do we find and demonstrate Godly compassion? Before we support abortion we must consider that God and only God controls the miracle of conception. So whether we see the conception as a blessing or a curse we must attribute its presence to the will of God.

I cannot expect unsaved people to act contrary to their nature. It is difficult for saved people to seek and act in a fashion that is Godly in extreme situations like this one. I find I am not qualified to condemn or condone what was done in the aftermath of this terrible crime.

The severity of Gods judgment is withheld that the goodness of God may bring men to repentance. May Gods great goodness lead this young girl into Gods marvelous grace and see her saved. Her life may never be as it would have been but her eternity can be secure in Christ.

Billy Graham would have urged compassion in this matter which is better than advocating for condemnation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Budman]

So we go from remembering Billy Graham to talking about a 13 year old girl who was raped at a younger age and is now being called a baby killer. You folks never seem to amaze me.

We never introduced that to this thread - but yes, we responded with the truth.

As terrible as rape is, to end the life of a baby that resulted is still murder. And we've pointed out that if the girl is a Christian, that sin has been forgiven her.

If you don't think killing a baby in the womb is murder, take it up with God.

 

[jsr1221]

We never introduced that to this thread - but yes, we responded with the truth. As terrible as rape is, to end the life of a baby that resulted is still murder. And we've pointed out that if the girl is a Christian, that sin has been forgiven her. If you don't think killing a baby in the womb is murder, take it up with God.

Not only do you miss the bullseye in my post. You also assume something I never even suggested. Continue dancing away.

 

[Magenta]

So we go from remembering Billy Graham to talking about a 13 year old girl who was raped at a younger age and is now being called a baby killer. You folks never seem to amaze me.

I think you meant to say, never fail to amaze me

I wondered at the turn of conversation myself.

 

[oldethennew]

Always with the labels. Stick and stones my friend...

I deal in the world of facts.

If it aint' all true, I aint' gonna pay it no heed....especially in the conspiracy world of which I have too much knowledge sadly.

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oh yes, we must always deal with the 'real facts', the ones that our Saviour has given to us through
His Holy Word - He teaches us, if we surrender all to Him, to read between the world's lines...

 

[Seedz]

Freemason false teacher.

 

[SovereignGrace]

But what proof do ppl have proving BG was a Mason?