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It was God's decision to have six grown men force themselves into a 13 year old girl?
You should probably think that through, the answer may floor you.

It is though your decision to murder the unborn in this situation, a murder you justify based upon your subjective feelings and thoughts. This shows you to believe yourself an authority to make such a decree, placing yourself in God's stead.

How do you explain your justification of murder with God's created order which allowed the above scenario to take place in a fallen world? Maybe you know more than God, right?
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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I can't carry on this conversation. I'm on the verge of tears. It's cruelty to keep calling that young girl a murderer.
I'm trying to witness to her, not condemn her.
 
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I can't carry on this conversation. I'm on the verge of tears. It's cruelty to keep calling that young girl a murderer.
I'm trying to witness to her, not condemn her.
That young girl is a sinner and if she aborted that baby, something you laud as justified, she's a murderer, and you're complicit.

Really? You pull the emotional card? Those who are lost are sinners, she needs to confess her sin to God just as all others, that's one thing your witnessing needs to include. She's already condemned, who said YOU needed to fulfill that for her, all outside of Christ are condemned.

She doesn't need you there to justify her sin or patronize her. Her freedom will come only when Christ takes on her GUILT and she owns it, although painful, and sees her need for forgiveness for all her sin.

Appealing to tears and emotions does NOT erase this fact, and two wrongs don't make a right as bad as YOU want it to.
 
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My neighbour's foster daughter was brutally beaten and gang raped by 6 different men. (they told her she was a piece of rubbish and deserved it). The rapists impregnated her. She was 13. She is currently on anti-depressant medication. You may believe she should have been further punished by being forced to gestate and give birth to the seed of her rapists. I don't.
She is neither a criminal nor a murderer. She was barely out of childhood herself.
What you may not know is most girl/women who have abortions have depression due to realizing the baby is gone & it's their fault.
It's not something they come out & talk about.
 
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Just wondering if those who agree to murder the unborn in their scenarios would be willing to stab the baby in the skull with scissors, then suck the brains out with a vacuum, or, tear the baby limb for limb from the womb because it's "OK" to murder that baby.

Then tell the mother, "See, it's all better now. We killed your baby. You'll be OK, it's all good. Now, let me tell you about Jesus."
 
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That young girl is a sinner and if she aborted that baby, something you laud as justified, she's a murderer, and you're complicit.

Really? You pull the emotional card? Those who are lost are sinners, she needs to confess her sin to God just as all others, that's one thing your witnessing needs to include. She's already condemned, who said YOU needed to fulfill that for her, all outside of Christ are condemned.

She doesn't need you there to justify her sin or patronize her. Her freedom will come only when Christ takes on her GUILT and she owns it, although painful, and sees her need for forgiveness for all her sin.

Appealing to tears and emotions does NOT erase this fact, and two wrongs don't make a right as bad as YOU want it to.
Wow just wow....your words are like a tinkling cymbal....muffled brass.....do you take pride in your arrogance?
 
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Wow just wow....your words are like a tinkling cymbal....muffled brass.....do you take pride in your arrogance?
Anymore names to call or are you done?

Care to address what was said, or did you just want to go ad hominem? I presented Gospel truth, and all you have is name calling. Very interesting.
 
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I thank God that he is the judge of all....if it were left for the church no one would be saved
 
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Anymore names to call or are you done?

Care to address what was said, or did you just want to go ad hominem? I presented Gospel truth, and all you have is name calling. Very interesting.

You presented nothing but the letter of the law.....
 
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I thank God that he is the judge of all....if it were left for the church no one would be saved
...wait...you were just judge a minute ago, and now you pretend it is only God? It's obvious you don't pay attention to facts, read, or think through what is said, and just travel on appealing to emotions instead.

With some disingenuous name calling mixed it.

But hey, at least man will give you a few brownie points. :D
 
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You presented nothing but the letter of the law.....
Hmmm, confession of sin to Christ, recognizing being condemned outside of Christ, seeing one's need of Christ, and finding forgiveness therein, all things I mentioned in my post which you attacked is to you "the letter of the law."

Wow.

Now I get why you are so bitter and attack the Gospel truths presented, you hold disdain for these things.

To those who know Christ, these things are cherished and are points of the freedom found in Christ.

Obviously you don't know the Gospel or grace or you'd glory in these truths. Instead you belittle them.
 
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That young girl is a sinner and if she aborted that baby, something you laud as justified, she's a murderer, and you're complicit.

Really? You pull the emotional card? Those who are lost are sinners, she needs to confess her sin to God just as all others, that's one thing your witnessing needs to include. She's already condemned, who said YOU needed to fulfill that for her, all outside of Christ are condemned.

She doesn't need you there to justify her sin or patronize her. Her freedom will come only when Christ takes on her GUILT and she owns it, although painful, and sees her need for forgiveness for all her sin.

Appealing to tears and emotions does NOT erase this fact, and two wrongs don't make a right as bad as YOU want it to.
Has anyone ever told you that you have about as much empathy as a rock?
 
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Has anyone ever told you that you have about as much empathy as a rock?
No, but tell me more of your unfounded thoughts and feelings toward me. How dare me preach the need of repentance, and of forgiveness, and flat out call murder of the unborn what it is. I bet God is ready to zap me for my stance just like you.
 

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I don't know what you mean by that statement/question. :confused:

In regard to babies?
Remember even Babies are born into this world of sin carrying the sin of their fathers. While they are innocent, That faithful fruit placed a sin upon everyone born hence.
 
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No, but tell me more of your unfounded thoughts and feelings toward me. How dare me preach the need of repentance, and of forgiveness, and flat out call murder of the unborn what it is. I bet God is ready to zap me for my stance just like you.

Unfounded thoughts.....hhhhh hh??????.......two of us just called you on it.
 
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Has anyone ever told you that you have about as much empathy as a rock?
Murder earns zero empathy. Aborting a baby is no different than someone breaking into a house a murdering a baby in a crib.

Abortion is excuse less. We can’t usurp God’s authority, and say aborting a baby under ‘________’ circumstance is okay, but in ‘______’ circumstance it is murder.
 
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You have no proof absolutely none that he is with the Lord ,,, at best you can only hope ////
 

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I can't carry on this conversation. I'm on the verge of tears. It's cruelty to keep calling that young girl a murderer.
I'm trying to witness to her, not condemn her.

Hi Lucy., I'm so sorry and will be praying for you and this poor child. You are correct in trying to help her and also correct to not attack her by calling her a sinner and a murderer. Many years ago I was a Crisis Pregnancy volunteer and we counselled and saw so many clueless young girls mostly high school and college girls coming in the office who had no idea what an abortion was. They had no idea a baby was really growing in them.

Planned Parenthood lies to them and is mostly interested in providing abortion services despite what they advertise. The devil is the god of confusion and lies. he has the world totally confused and blinded with this abortion issue, the transgender issue... all kinds of social/political issues. This world is under the power of the devil... 1 John 19
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19 [/SUP]We know [positively] that we are of God, and the whole world [around us] is under the power of the evil one.


I agree with you., your 13 yr. old friend is a child and a victim too. So are all who don't know any better. The whole world is already guilty before God because they don't have Jesus. The Good news is Jesus came to save the lost who are already condemned in Adam. He who has the Son has life.. he who has not the Son of God has not life but the wrath of God abides. John 3:36

More important than anything., that little girl needs Jesus. We learned how to approach., help and counsel these girls. We don't first try to tell them they are sinners.. we are to show Jesus to them and help them and minister to their physical needs. And that little girl has some major needs. She needs a woman to help and comfort her. To be a good listener.

You can also help her to find alternatives to abortion because not only has the rape caused her to be suffering but so will the abortion that most of the people who come in contact with her will try to have her go through. She NEEDS Jesus first but doesn't know it.

We are to be as wise as serpents... harmless as doves. We know what she needs even if she doesn't. And it will NOT be up to you to convince her of what to do. All you can do is be there for her and have her best interests at heart. Abortion is a horrible procedure. I've also seen videos of many of them. Girls are damaged very badly sometimes by this surgical procedure of cutting and tearing.

Most girls don't know this even when abortion is on youtube and even doctors are finding out more and more. But even those unsaved doctors can't see the truth... how can a 13yr old who just got gang raped? Just love her and pray that you can help her as she goes through dealing with the horrible thing that has happened to her. It's not an easy thing what you are doing so you need prayer sis.

Unlike the world., we have influence and can pray for people God puts in our path.

You're not alone in this Lucy. I'll be praying for you sister.