Can A Preacher Be Saved, And Yet Preach Heresy?
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In response to the Grace, and Gift of God.
(YLT) Ephesians 2:4 and God, being rich in kindness, because of His great love with which He loved us,5 even being dead in the trespasses, did make us to live together with the Christ, (by grace ye are having been saved,)
6 and did raise [us] up together, and did seat [us] together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus,
7 that He might show, in the ages that are coming, the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus,
8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,
9 not of works, that no one may boast;
Verse 8 (NLT) : 8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
(YLT) Ephesians 2:4 and God, being rich in kindness, because of His great love with which He loved us,5 even being dead in the trespasses, did make us to live together with the Christ, (by grace ye are having been saved,)
6 and did raise [us] up together, and did seat [us] together in the heavenly [places] in Christ Jesus,
7 that He might show, in the ages that are coming, the exceeding riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus,
8 for by grace ye are having been saved, through faith, and this not of you -- of God the gift,
9 not of works, that no one may boast;
Verse 8 (NLT) : 8 God saved you by his grace when you believed. And you can’t take credit for this; it is a gift from God.
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Amen, I have also yet to meet a person who truly understood his fate apart from grace. And experienced the love of God every wish to give it back.
Think about it, If we want to give something back, God must not be trustworthy, he must have failed us somehow after we had faith in him.
What’s that say about God?
I am not a believer in OSAS and i do not live in fear because i am confident in the righteousness of Jesus and thus i have assurance that his sacrifice on the cross will save me..
So to me my salvation does not hang by any thread.. All i have to do is keep believing and trusting in what Jesus said and did for me.. As long as i do not base my salvation upon my own worthiness or righteousness i am at peace.
If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved.. We need both belief and faith (trust in God) to be saved..
So to me my salvation does not hang by any thread.. All i have to do is keep believing and trusting in what Jesus said and did for me.. As long as i do not base my salvation upon my own worthiness or righteousness i am at peace.
If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved.. We need both belief and faith (trust in God) to be saved..
E
I am not a believer in OSAS and i do not live in fear because i am confident in the righteousness of Jesus and thus i have assurance that his sacrifice on the cross will save me..
So to me my salvation does not hang by any thread.. All i have to do is keep believing and trusting in what Jesus said and did for me.. As long as i do not base my salvation upon my own worthiness or righteousness i am at peace.
If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved.. We need both belief and faith (trust in God) to be saved..
So to me my salvation does not hang by any thread.. All i have to do is keep believing and trusting in what Jesus said and did for me.. As long as i do not base my salvation upon my own worthiness or righteousness i am at peace.
If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved.. We need both belief and faith (trust in God) to be saved..
This crossed my mind today and I'm curious what y'all think:
Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?
Is it even possible?
Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?
Can a Minister, such as a Benny Hinn, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Joyce Myers, Mike Murdock, Peter Popoff, Jim Bakker, Robert Tilton, (well, you get the idea) preach heresy and yet actually be saved?
Is it even possible?
Can they be wrong on a few subjects, or must the heresy be abundant and so far out in left field there can be no doubt they are lost?
Gal 1:9....."As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed."
Because people fall away from the way of salvation every day... The Bible states that people who had escaped... well i will let Peter state it..
2 Peter 2: KJV
{20} For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. {21} For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. {22} But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."
Peter knew Christians who knew the Way of righteousness through the savior the LORD Jesus Christ but had turned away from the way.. Ended up rejecting the way of salvation...
I could post the Parable of the sower of the seed in Matthew 13 and Luke 8 .. a simple reading of the parable and the explanation given by Jesus to the disciples about what i meant is clear evidence that some people who accept the Word of the LORD with joy end up rejecting the message and are lost.. Have a read..
2 Peter 2: KJV
{20} For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. {21} For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. {22} But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire."
Peter knew Christians who knew the Way of righteousness through the savior the LORD Jesus Christ but had turned away from the way.. Ended up rejecting the way of salvation...
I could post the Parable of the sower of the seed in Matthew 13 and Luke 8 .. a simple reading of the parable and the explanation given by Jesus to the disciples about what i meant is clear evidence that some people who accept the Word of the LORD with joy end up rejecting the message and are lost.. Have a read..
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That passage says they knew the way, it never said they recieved the way,
in fact, the passage itself proves these people were never saved, They just had knowledge. It says a DOG returns to his vomit. The dog was never made a new creature (new birth) it was still a dog. It had knowledge how to be saved, but it remained a dog, It was never saved.
Again, Why do you not believe in eternal security? Either you believe in God or you do not.
in fact, the passage itself proves these people were never saved, They just had knowledge. It says a DOG returns to his vomit. The dog was never made a new creature (new birth) it was still a dog. It had knowledge how to be saved, but it remained a dog, It was never saved.
Again, Why do you not believe in eternal security? Either you believe in God or you do not.
I am not a believer in OSAS and i do not live in fear because i am confident in the righteousness of Jesus and thus i have assurance that his sacrifice on the cross will save me..
So to me my salvation does not hang by any thread.. All i have to do is keep believing and trusting in what Jesus said and did for me.. As long as i do not base my salvation upon my own worthiness or righteousness i am at peace.
If a person is unsure if they are saved they are lacking Faith in Jesus.. So yes if a person is unsure they are probably not saved.. We need both belief and faith (trust in God) to be saved..
He sounds like one who believes much like I do in this respect: that it is my ongoing belief in Christ that is the basis of my salvation. If I depended upon the moment in history when I was first born again, I might constantly wonder if I did it right (especially if I was having a bad day with works). But I believe in Christ today and this gives me assurance and not the good deeds that I might do.