KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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John146

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Not at all, he doesn't have the same single-translation encumbrance blocking his faith as you do. You have placed limits on Almighty God and you don't have the right to do so. The Lord isn't locked in to one translation. The KJV itself doesn't back up your argument.
More than one can't be so since they contain different words and even different truths which would make God contradict Himself.

IYO, where are the words of God that we can trust 100% from Genesis to Revelation?
 

Joseppi

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“Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13).

“But because of his great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions—it is by grace you have been saved”
(Ephesians 2:4-5).


"This is how God showed his love among us: He sent his one and only Son into the world that we might live through him. This is love: not that we loved God, but that he loved us and sent his Son as an atoning sacrifice for our sins" (1 John 4:9-10).


God's love is unconditional. It is salvation that is conditional.
You provided no scripture that presents the love of God as unconditional.
Nor did you present scripture describing God’s love for them that refuse his salvation by Jesus Christ.
 

Lucy-Pevensie

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More than one can't be so since they contain different words and even different truths which would make God contradict Himself.

IYO, where are the words of God that we can trust 100% from Genesis to Revelation?
There are no "different truths". The truth is Jesus. He is revealed in many translations in many languages. I have no concerns about God "contradicting himself" I don't see that he does. Again that is your own constraint. I'm free.
 

Joseppi

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The sermon in Luke 6 bears some similarities with the Sermon on the Mount, but it is not the same sermon. This sermon was delivered on a plain after the Apostles were chosen.

Next...
The text didn’t say the sermon delivered, after Jesus came down and stood on the plain and healed the multitudes, was preached on the plain

Jesus didn’t require the sick to climb up to be healed.
And Jesus knew to go up and sit to teach rather than teach in the manner he healed.
Like when Jesus entered into a boat, he did so to facilitate his teaching ministry when on level ground surrounded by multitudes.
But, going onto a boat didn’t facilitate his healing ministry.
 
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You provided no scripture that presents the love of God as unconditional.
Nor did you present scripture describing God’s love for them that refuse his salvation by Jesus Christ.
Sir are you alright????
what Magenta answered "was all scripture" concerning God's unconditional love.
 

Joseppi

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ok, ok, whatever you say...

So, next:

After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.

10Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

11Give us this day our daily bread.

12And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.

13And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.


Matthew 6


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When ye pray, say, Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, as in heaven, so in earth.

3Give us day by day our daily bread.

4And forgive us our sins; for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation; but deliver us from evil.


Lk 11

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1. Mt gives Our Father as an example of the manner of praying. Lk give it for precise reciting.

2. Sins vs debts (but ok, it can be seen as the same thing, but you would go crazy being it a difference between KJV and NIV)

3. Missing ending sentence in Lk.
Testimonies differ.

The problem with modern bibles is that they corrupt the truth.
 

Joseppi

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I notice that many posters refuse to answer questions asked of them.

Do you believe God’s love is unconditional?

Show me the example of God’s love for all who reject Christ, who refuse to believe the gospel?

Was it God’s love that brought his vengeance upon the Jewish nation that rejected Jesus Christ?

Will God love them that despise the blood of Jesus offered for salvation unto all who believe the gospel?
Will God love a man that forsakes faith in Christ and treads on the blood of Jesus.

God have his only begotten Son, that’s how much he loves you.
But God doesn’t love such that he winks at sinners who refuse to repent.
 
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We just need to be leery of its legitimacy. The longer ending of Mark 16 says those who believe AND are baptized, shall be saved. It makes it sound like Jesus is teaching that water baptism is required to be saved.
And what does the ending of Mark have to do with John? If one is baptized "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost" are they not saved? Should we be "leery" of Matthew 28:19? Furthermore, the word "water" is found no where in the chapter.

Then Jesus was also quoted as saying the signs of drinking poison and picking up poisonous snakes will not harm them.
“And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:”

“Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:” Romans 3:13

“They have sharpened their tongues like a serpent; adders' poison is under their lips. Selah.” Psalm 140:3

“But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison.” James 3:8

The world is full of poison whether it be things on TV, the internet, false religion, false science, false philosophy and the list could go on and on. These obstacles block our path but the believer will overcome them.

Many a snake handler is in the grave from believing this.


"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God." (Matthew 4:7)

Unfortunately they were taking something figurative as literal. Did Paul in Acts 28:3-5 pick up a snake and dance around making a show? This story is a prophetic type and we see the fulfillment of it in Revelation 20:10

We should not be leery of anything in the Bible but compare "spiritual things with spiritual" to understand what the Bible is really teaching.




 

trofimus

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By rightly dividing the word of truth, we must understand that Matthew's gospel is Jewish in its' content, intended towards God's physical people Israel. Luke has a Gentile slant. Because of this difference, the Jewish kingdom of Matthew 6:13 is omitted in Luke's gospel account. People have a hard time understanding why there are four accounts but contain different wording.
So, to English, we can omit whatever we want. And to Chinese, another version. Etc. Its one of your views.

On the other hand, you believe, that:

More than one can't be so since they contain different words and even different truths which would make God contradict Himself.

IYO, where are the words of God that we can trust 100% from Genesis to Revelation?
Double standards? Even Scriptures can be in various length, forms etc and still be inspired and for the salvation of people or every different word matters. Make up your mind.
 
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trofimus

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I notice that many posters refuse to answer questions asked of them.

Do you believe God’s love is unconditional?

Show me the example of God’s love for all who reject Christ, who refuse to believe the gospel?

Was it God’s love that brought his vengeance upon the Jewish nation that rejected Jesus Christ?

Will God love them that despise the blood of Jesus offered for salvation unto all who believe the gospel?
Will God love a man that forsakes faith in Christ and treads on the blood of Jesus.

God have his only begotten Son, that’s how much he loves you.
But God doesn’t love such that he winks at sinners who refuse to repent.
God is love. God does not have love. God is love. Its His nature.

As God is light no matter our actions, God is also always love, no matter our actions. Its unconditional.
 

John146

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So, to English, we can omit whatever we want. And to Chinese, another version. Etc. Its one of your views.

On the other hand, you believe, that:
Man did not omit that part in Luke 6, but the Holy Spirit in Luke did not have Luke write it because that part is not for a Gentile audience but a Jewish audience as in Matthew's account.
 

trofimus

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Man did not omit that part in Luke 6, but the Holy Spirit in Luke did not have Luke write it because that part is not for a Gentile audience but a Jewish audience as in Matthew's account.
So, tell me, why is Mt in our Bibles, if its just for Jewish audience?

If Mt is for Jews, Mark for Romans, Luke for Greeks, what can a poor Czech do, having 3 different versions?

As you said, the word of God is either only one or none!
 

John146

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So, tell me, why is Mt in our Bibles, if its just for Jewish audience?

If Mt is for Jews, Mark for Romans, Luke for Greeks, what can a poor Czech do, having 3 different versions?

As you said, the word of God is either only one or none!
For us to read how the Lord is dealing with that nation of Israel and how His promises to that nation will be fulfilled. The Bible is written to three audiences: the Jew, the Gentile and the Church. We should read and study all of it while rightly dividing it in order to understand which part is dealing specifically with each group. The problem arises when we take one portion of Scripture dealing with the Jew or Gentile and apply it to the Church.

Btw, Paul's thirteen epistles are to the Church, the body of Christ.
 

trofimus

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For us to read how the Lord is dealing with that nation of Israel and how His promises to that nation will be fulfilled. The Bible is written to three audiences: the Jew, the Gentile and the Church. We should read and study all of it while rightly dividing it in order to understand which part is dealing specifically with each group. The problem arises when we take one portion of Scripture dealing with the Jew or Gentile and apply it to the Church.

Btw, Paul's thirteen epistles are to the Church, the body of Christ.
So, if we can have three different versions in Bible and they are all good for us to read without any problem, why do you say that we can have only one version of translation of it because more versions = confusion and corruption etc?
 

John146

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So, if we can have three different versions in Bible and its all good for us to read without any problem, why do you say that we can have only one version of translation of it because more versions = confusion and corruption etc?
The difference is one is God's doing and the other is man's doing.
 

trofimus

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The difference is one is God's doing and the other is man's doing.
I thought you believe that the KJV is a work of God? So, now, translations are a work of men?

If you say that only the KJV is a work of God and the rest of translations are a work of men, its like saying only Mt is inspired and Luke got it wrong.
 

trofimus

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Well, somebody was asking where in the Bible it can be found that "the word of God" can differ or something like that.

The answer is "in Gospels, for example". Or "in Samuel vs Kings vs Paralipomenon versions". Or "Gen 1 vs Gen 2" etc.

Scriptures are inspired even with different versions of events and its no problem for our life or faith.

If this is possible, your struggle against new English translations (because they use different words) is totally futile, IMHO.
 

hornetguy

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IMO, the corruption you speak of is not in any Bibles; it is in your head!
That's what we've been telling these guys all along..... their head is corrupted!