KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

[nddreamer]

Since Isaiah 14:4-23 is about Babylon, Lucifer is another descriptive name for Babylon. Lucifer means light bearer. Light, here, means knowledge. "Son of the morning" means one of the first.
"O Lucifer, son of the morning" means one of the first to be given knowledge or wisdom.
Didn't the magi live in Babylon? It's thought that Daniel was one of them.

 

[KJV1611]

Since Isaiah 14:4-23 is about Babylon, Lucifer is another descriptive name for Babylon. Lucifer means light bearer. Light, here, means knowledge. "Son of the morning" means one of the first.
"O Lucifer, son of the morning" means one of the first to be given knowledge or wisdom.
Didn't the magi live in Babylon? It's thought that Daniel was one of them.

i think the magi were Babylonian or maybe Chaldean.

 

[nddreamer]

Let's turn this thread in another direction. Elisha took up Elijah's mantel (2 Kings 2:13). Who do you think will take up Billy Graham's? Though he didn't do any miracles that I know of, he was still a mighty servant of God. Surely the LORD is going to raise up another like him. We're certainly in need of one.

 

[joefizz]

Let's turn this thread in another direction. Elisha took up Elijah's mantel (2 Kings 2:13). Who do you think will take up Billy Graham's? Though he didn't do any miracles that I know of, he was still a mighty servant of God. Surely the LORD is going to raise up another like him. We're certainly in need of one.

Well as nice as it is to think on who would take up Billy Graham' s mantel,this isn't the thread for that discussion,if you want to discuss this,"make a thread about it" or "join an existing thread concerning Billy Graham",this is more of a back and forth thread on which bible translation is best or most accurate and that sort of thing.

 

[KJV1611]

Let's turn this thread in another direction. Elisha took up Elijah's mantel (2 Kings 2:13). Who do you think will take up Billy Graham's? Though he didn't do any miracles that I know of, he was still a mighty servant of God. Surely the LORD is going to raise up another like him. We're certainly in need of one.

I'm afraid Billy was not a Christian. Among his many faults at being a Christian leader, his biggest was to claim Jesus was not the only way to God. Below is an excerpt from an interview he did with the heretic Robert Schuler.


SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer—you know, I think there’s the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that—the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.

 

[SovereignGrace]

You have so many unrelated connections in your thinking...

Post of the year!! This fits KJVOnlyism to a 'T'.

 

[MarcR]

“I will ascend into heaven” is Venus ascending in the morning or is the sun?

“I will exalt my throne above the stars of God” does venus blot out the light from the other stars or is it the sun

“I will ascend above the heights of the clouds” Around noon is it venus you see above the clouds or is it the sun.


Does venus fit the profile base on what Isaiah 14 says?

"See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise," (Ephesians 5:15)

In Is 14:12 Satan is Speaking. Jerome called him Lucifer and the KJV translators adopted it.
The angels of God are referred to as 'stars' as in Job 38:17. Neither Venus nor the sun are speaking; nor do they speak.
Neither Venus nor the sun are involved in this verse, IMO. I believe that the mention of 'all the morning stars' in Job 38:17 rules out both Venus and the sun here.

 

[SovereignGrace]

bewrayeth
bowels (not of anatomy)
chambering
conversation (not of spoken dialogue)
fain
graff
peradventure
shambles
trow

Yup... right up to date. Someone's date is not 2018.

assayed...to travel
crisping pin...a female ornament or ornamented purse
wimples...veil or shaw
stomacher...article of dress

No of these terms are relevant today.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Well the bible "wasn't just for those who read English and Hebrew",it's not outlandish to "broaden horizons" after all the latin language is like "a code" perhaps the purpose was for "certain dictator type nations" that were opposed the Judaism and Christianity,it's not irrelevant to have different languages used for view by only some who "understood" particular languages,I mean English to Hebrew would reach athe great majority but the intention was for "All" to have access to the bible in as many languages as possible/needed.

Brother, the bible was written in Hebrew, a little Aramaic, and Greek. If Latin is used, its an outside language. It would be like someone using the KJV, or any of the MV when they tried to translate the bible into their language. It just I not as accurate to use Latin, when Latin was not one of the original languages used.

 

[joefizz]

I'm afraid Billy was not a Christian. Among his many faults at being a Christian leader, his biggest was to claim Jesus was not the only way to God. Below is an excerpt from an interview he did with the heretic Robert Schuler.


SCHULLER: Tell me, what do you think is the future of Christianity?

GRAHAM: Well, Christianity and being a true believer—you know, I think there’s the Body of Christ. This comes from all the Christian groups around the world, outside the Christian groups. I think everybody that loves Christ, or knows Christ, whether they’re conscious of it or not, they’re members of the Body of Christ. And I don’t think that we’re going to see a great sweeping revival that will turn the whole world to Christ at any time. I think James answered that—the Apostle James in the first council in Jerusalem, when he said that God’s purpose for this age is to call out a people for His name. And that’s what God is doing today, He’s calling people out of the world for His name, whether they come from the Muslim world, or the Buddhist world, or the Christian world, or the non-believing world, they are members of the Body of Christ because they’ve been called by God. They may not even know the name of Jesus, but they know in their hearts that they need something that they don’t have, and they turn to the only light that they have, and I think that they are saved, and that they’re going to be with us in heaven.

You do realize that the "light" he is talking about "is Jesus" right?
And tell me is it for any man or woman or child to judge who is saved?
Billy Graham shared "what he felt" that has nothing to do with him "being a Christian" or not,besides as I said that's another subject.

 

[nddreamer]

But it is written: "Rom. 2:14-16 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ---" Isn't B. Graham saying the same thing?

 

[SovereignGrace]

But it is written: "Rom. 2:14-16 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ ---" Isn't B. Graham saying the same thing?

Go down to verse 20 in Romans 3...Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

The Law could not save anyone, only condemn them. Them knowing the Law, meaning they knew it was wrong to kill, steal, fornicate with their neighbor's spouse, &c., only further condemned them. The Law could save nary a soul.

 

[KJV1611]

You do realize that the "light" he is talking about "is Jesus" right?
And tell me is it for any man or woman or child to judge who is saved?
Billy Graham shared "what he felt" that has nothing to do with him "being a Christian" or not,besides as I said that's another subject.

How does one know Christ but isn't even conscious of him? Is that in the Bible?

 

[KJV1611]

Go down to verse 20 in Romans 3...Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

The Law could not save anyone, only condemn them. Them knowing the Law, meaning they knew it was wrong to kill, steal, fornicate with their neighbor's spouse, &c., only further condemned them. The Law could save nary a soul.

i just noticed your KJV1611 originals thing lol... I love it! Thanks.

 

[nddreamer]

"Rom. 13:8-9 ---for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

Is it your argument that those who follow these are condemned?

 

[SovereignGrace]

"Rom. 13:8-9 ---for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself."

Is it your argument that those who follow these are condemned?

Again, ppl are already condemned.[John 3:18] All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.[Romans 3:23] Again, as it says in Romans 3:20...Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law; rather, through the law we become conscious of our sin.

Many have been really good to their neighbors. They have sacrificed time, money, clothing, food, &c to help their neighbors. But that will not save them. The Law can save nary a soul.

 

[SovereignGrace]

How does one know Christ but isn't even conscious of him? Is that in the Bible?

No............

 

[SovereignGrace]

i just noticed your KJV1611 originals thing lol... I love it! Thanks.

I have no idea why you are loving it. Its sad that you could care less about the originals, because w/o those pesky originals, there is no KJV.

 

[posthuman]

Let's turn this thread in another direction. Elisha took up Elijah's mantel (2 Kings 2:13). Who do you think will take up Billy Graham's? Though he didn't do any miracles that I know of, he was still a mighty servant of God. Surely the LORD is going to raise up another like him. We're certainly in need of one.

Elijah's mantle was ((is? what exactly did John the baptist wear?)) an actual, literal physical mantle: a cloak. a garment. probably some kind of animal skin, with the fur on it, because it makes him look like a "hairy man" when people describe him, and kings know exactly who it is when their soldiers report that it was a hairy man prophesying.

i'd imagine Billy Graham's next of kin decide what to do with his closet full of mantles, and wouldn't be surprised to find that a lot of his mantles wind up at the goodwill, and later being either destroyed or worn by what you might find to be very unlikely people.

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Well the bible "wasn't just for those who read English and Hebrew",it's not outlandish to "broaden horizons" after all the latin language is like "a code" perhaps the purpose was for "certain dictator type nations" that were opposed the Judaism and Christianity,it's not irrelevant to have different languages used for view by only some who "understood" particular languages,I mean English to Hebrew would reach athe great majority but the intention was for "All" to have access to the bible in as many languages as possible/needed.

And for all those wondering I'm not upset with Lucy,just don't understand how a bit of Latin in the bible "changes anything" from her's and other's perspectives it seems quite "a small thing" to me,but at the same time somewhat worth mentioning...

Every phrase in Bible prophecy is rich with information. If I was translating a sentence for you from German to English, I wouldn't insert an untranslated Spanish word into that sentence. Latin isn't related to Hebrew.