GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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it doesn't matter how many times you keep repeating yourself. it doesn't matter if you use all caps. your opinion is not taken into account when God looks at us. no one who has been immersed in Him is under Law.
Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. (Romans 14:4)
Hello PH,

I have been busy so can only pop in as I can. You seem confused none of what is shared with you is my opinion it is God's Word. You can choose to BELIEVE it or NOT BELIEVE it I do not judge you it is God's Word that judges all of us in the last days. As it is written,

John 12
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And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
48, He that rejects me, and receives not my words, has one that judges him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You can choose to believe God or not believe God.

Be wanred however the UNBELIEVERS have no part in the KINGDOM of HEAVEN as do ALL those who break God's Commandments.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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here it says for gentiles who join themselves to Him in the context of covenant, not "to all mankind" as though it is clear moral conduct to all humanity, and He speaks of 'sabbaths' referring to the feasts, which were given with the covenant. but aside from that, look at the whole chapter 58 of the prophet. look what God says about true fasting vs. ritualized, outward observance of fasting. this is the context of what you quoted. what does that say about truly honoring His rest? in spirit and truth, which covenant does He speak of, when He says "My covenant"? a covenant of works and blood sacrifice and ritual? or a covenant of truth and of spirit?
Christ works every day; every day He does the works of the Father. He is the true manna, the true rest, and the true blue thread of the tzitzit

Hello PH,

Sorry I have been away for a while. Some comments for your consideration.

You truly are mixed up not knowing the law or the prophets. The Sabbath was made for all mankind BEFORE SIN and BEFORE the fall of mankind. As it is written..

Mark 2:27, And he said to them, THE SABBATH WAS MADE FOR MAN, and not man for the sabbath

STRONGS GREEK
MAN
meaning:G444 ἄνθρωπος anthropos (an'-thrō-pos) n.
1. (literally) man†-visage (i.e. a man-faced being, a man who has visibly come of age).
2. (concretely, in Hebrew) a clay being (a classification of beings made in the image of God, who made them male and female.
3. (generically, in English) a human being.
4. (indefinitely) a certain man (i.e. someone).
[from G435 and ops “the countenance” (from G3700)]
KJV: certain, man Root(s): G435, G3700

God's Sabbath is the SEVENTH DAY OF THE WEEK that GOD blessed and made a HOLY day of rest that no work was to be done (Gen 2:1-3). It is God's 4th Commandments and was made for ALL mankind (Exodus 20:8-11; Mark 2:27).

Its seems you do not understand what makes up the OLD COVENANT or the NEW. The annual festivals and their special annual Sabbaths are a part of the Old Covenant under the Mosiac book of the Covenant (Exodus 24:7; Deut 29:21; Deut 31:26). The 10 Commandments written on two tables of stone (Exodus 34:28; Deut 9:9; 15) and the Mosiac book of the covenant (Deut 29:21) collectively made up the OLD Covenant.

God commanded that the 10 Commandments and the Mosaic book of the Covenant were to be kept separated and housed in the ARK of the Covenant (Deut 10:5; Deut 31:26)

Now my friend what is the point of what I am writing here?

You mix up your laws as do your friends. You take laws from the Mosaic book of the Covanant from the OLD Covenant and try to apply them to the NEW Covanant which are fullfilled in Christ.

God's 10 Commandments and the Mosaic book of the COVENENT were to be kept separated because ONE was FOREVER written on STONE and SPOKEN by GOD himself while the other was shadows of things to come pointing to Jesus and outlining God's plan of salvation.

The tassles and tzitzit like circumcision were an outward observance pointing to an inward experience through Christ in the new Covenant. The Pharasees in Jesus day to be seen of men to be holy broadened they tassles and tzitzits to display to others they were holy (Matt 23:5).

Now my friend if you do not understand the OLD Covenant how can you understand the NEW Covenant where we are God's TEMPLE and his LAWS are to be written on the FLESHLY tables of the heart?

The tassles and tzitzit represented the 10 Commandments fulfilled in Jesus and pointing to RIGHTEOUSNESS by FAITH in Christ under the NEW Covenant in those who BELIEVE Jesus is the saviour from the disease of SIN (Matthew 14:35-36; Matt 9:20-21; Mark 6:56; Mark 5:27; Luke 8:43-44)

Do you know who God's Israel is under the NEW Covenant?

Only God's Word is true and we should believe and FOLLOW it.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11). ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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Hi JBL,

Happy to help.

How is the verse “The Sabbath is made for man” specific instruction for the Church to observe the Sabbath? We all agree that God made the Sabbath for man. What I asked you for was specific instruction from God’s word in the New Testament, that teaches the Church how to observe the Sabbath.
The bible in the days of Jesus and Paul and the other Apostles was the OLD Testament. Everything that comes from the NEW Testament comes from the OLD Testament. Together they are the two great witnesses that make up the WORD of God that we are to live by because it is written...

ALL SCRIPTURE is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished to all good works (2 Tim 2:16-17)

and again...

Man does not live by bread alone but by EVERY WORD that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4)

Now, let's get back to your question;

How is the verse “The Sabbath is made for man” specific instruction for the Church to observe the Sabbath
Your referring to Mark 2:27. The Sabbath instructions were given clearly in the Old Testament scriptures by God himself as the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments (Ex 20:8-11) which has its origin from the creation week in Gen 2:1-3. The actual commandment as it was given by God says...

Exodus 20
8, Remember
the SABBATH DAY, to KEEP IT HOLY. <Why?> Because God made it Holy for mankind and commands us to keep it as a Holy day)
9, Six days shalt thou labor, and do all thy work:
10, But the SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: <WHY>
11, For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the SEVENTH DAY: wherefore the LORD BLESSED THE SABBATH, and HALLOWED IT.

Now seems like a very loose interpretation so in order to safegaurd the Sabbath the Jews in their zeal placed so many man made restrictions around the Sabbath that it had become a burden to God's people to keep it. So much so that the Jews even accused Jesus of breaking it according to their traditions in regards to Sabbath keeping.

* No uneccessary work to be done on the Sabbath especially business and secular work and housework and work that can be done any other day of the week. It is a day of rest and worship and time dedicated to God.

* We are to prepare for the Sabbath by preparing all meals food and completing houseword and other bussiness and shopping as this is to be avoided on the Sabbath where possible and done before the Sabbath starts

The NEW Testamnent scriptures build on these scriptures. In the NEW Testament Jesus and the scriptures teach us that.........

1. Jesus taught that it is lawful to do GOOD on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56) and we are not to be budened by man made teaching around God's Sabbath because the Sabbath was made for mankind to be a delight not a buden.

2. Jesus taught that God's Sabbath was made for man and not man for the Sabbath; rebuking the tradtions of the Jew in regards to their interpretation around Sabbath keeping (Mark 2:27-28; Matthew 12:1-12; Mark 2:24-28; Mark 3:1-6; )

3. Jesus taught that he was the maker and creator of the Sabbath and the God of creation (Hebrews 1:2; John 1:1-3; 14; Ephesians 3:9; Colossians 1:16-17; Mark 2:27). This was something that was new and never known before.

4. Paul taught that we cannot enter into God's Sabbath rest if we do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW the Word of God (Hebrews 3 and 4)

5. Jesus is our example who kept the Sabbath as well as all those who followed him (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

6. God's Sabbath is the Lord's Day and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW him who calls us (Matthew 12:8).

So in summary the OLD and the NEW Testament which collectively makes up the WORD of GOD gives clear instuctions in relation to keeping God's Sabbath. This is not even talking about the scriptures in the NEW Testament in relation to the NEW Covenant and the role of God's 10 Commandments of which God's Sabbath is the 4th Commandment.

Most of your post is instruction from the law of Moses.
Well that is not true I have posted God's 4th commandment from Exodus 20:8-11 and the origin of the 4th Commandment from creation (a total of 7 scriptures). There is a total of around 60+ scriptures posted from the NEW Testament in regards to the 4th Commandment Sabbath.

Example: If you believe the Church is to attend a synagogue on the Sabbath, then please quote some verses where Paul instructs the Churches to attend a synagogue on the Sabbath. If the Church is commanded to attend a synagogue on the Sabbath, I know everyone here would want to obey that command from the Lord. If you have some important things to add to the Church about the Sabbath, such as attending a synagogue, please quote the Chapter and verse from the New Testament, that teaches this.
There is no specific requirement to have to attend Church on the Sabbath another words if you do not go to Church on the Sabbath you are not breaking God's 4th commandment if you are keeping God's Sabbath at home or in nature

Breaking God's 4th Commandment comes about by not keeping the SEVENTH day as a HOLY DAY dedicated to God and carrying out uneccessary work and bussiness activities as well as buying and selling (business) and not REMEMBERING the 4th Commandment as a day of rest. (Exodus 20:8-11).

You are free to spend time at home or in nature or at Church. It is lawful to help others and do good. Jesus and the Apostles are examples as to what can be done on God's Sabbath all through the NT. They kept the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles believers. They went to Church, spent time outdoors. The Sabbath is made for man as Jesus says and not man for the Sabbath. (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

Paul says if you do not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD you will never enter into God's Sabbath rest (Hebrews chapters 3-4)


If you have any other things about the Sabbath, that we need to know, such as limited travel, special foods, or anything else, please point us to those New Testament verses, so we can comply. I would honestly like to study any scriptures from the New Testament that instruct or direct or command us how to observe the Sabbath under the guidelines of the New Covenant.
The instrutions are very simple as shown in the scriptures already above. You have the Sabbath Commandment for instruction. It is the 4th Commandment of the 10 Commandments building on this Jesus came to teach he is the creator and maker of the Sabbath. He made the Sabbath for ALL mankind and we are to REMEMBER it and KEEP IT AS A HOLY DAY of REST dedicated to GOD because it is the "LORDS DAY". Very simple requirements not to be burdened with man made traditions, enjoy the day of delight that God has made for you and set aside for you. You are welcome to do good on the Sabbath but if you disregard or break it you commit SIN because Gods' Sabbath is the 4th Commandment of the 10 commandments.

Paul was the main apostle, who was sent by Jesus Christ to preach, and teach as well as instruct the Gentiles in the way of God’s Kingdom. I find nothing from him as to how the Church is to observe the Sabbath.
It is very clear if you study the NEW Testament that Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles (Romans 11:13). Yet we see Paul keeping the Sabbath with both Jews and Gentiles all through the NT (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2).

Paul taught the NEW Covenant teachings from the OLD Testament in relation to Jeremaiah 31:31-36 in Hebrews 8 and 10, following Jesus insructions of Matthew 22:36-40 and that is God's LAW (10 Commandments) written on the heart of the BELIEVER to LOVE and that LOVE to GOD and our fellow MAN is the fullfilling (doing of God's LAW) in those who BELIEVE God's WORD (Romans 13:8-10)

This was also taught by James, Peter and John. This is what it means to be Born again. If we are not born again we cannot love another as Jesus first LOVED us. It is only as we have LOVE to GOD that we can follow him and LOVE our neighbor as ourselves. LOVE is the NEW COVEANANT in those who BELIEVE Gods' WORD. IT is the GIFT of God through GRACE in those who BELIEVE.

Paul further taught however if anyone does not BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD that they cannot enter God's Sabbath rest in Hebrews chapters 3 and 4.

As outlined above read Exodus 20:8-11. We are in the NEW Covnenant to LOVE God and our fellow man. If you do not LOVE you have not been born again and cannot FOLLOW God when he bids you come because you do not LOVE him. LOVE is the fulfilling of God's LAW in those who BELIEVE God's WORD to be FREE from SIN.

Nothing about commanding the Church to attend a synagogue, or restricting travel, or commands to not gather sticks to build a fire... In order to have a Bible Study, we first have to have pertanent scriptures that pertain to this subject, in order to study and discuss.
There is no such scriptures that you have to attend church or restricting travel. Preparation is to be done of course for keeping the Sabbath free of unneccesary work (already known through instruction in the OT so no need to repeat it again in the NT). God says not to forsake the asspembling of yourselves together (Heb 10:25); Jesus and the Apostles all kept God's Sabbath with both Jews and Gentile believers. They attended the churches of the day and spent time in nature and did good to others, spent time in prayer and bible study and dedicated the SEVENTH day as a HOLY day of worship to God where NO work was to be done. This was the day that the LORD had made they rejoiced and were glad in it (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

There is no use in quoting Old Testament scriptures that pertain to the Sabbath since the law of Moses commanded death, to those who so much as gathered sticks to kindle a fire on the Sabbath.JPT
We are not to work on God's Sabbath if you break God's 4th Commandment just like any of God's 10 Commandments you are guilty of committing SIN and if you continue in a life of KNOWN unrepentant SIN you will lose your salvation and be lost because the wages of SIN is death to those who reject the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23). As you can see above most of the scriptures used in this post are NT scriptures not OT scriptures. This being said as outlined earlier you CANNOT disregard the OT scriptures because everything in the NT comes from the OT scriptures and together the OT and NT make up the WORD of God which we are to live by (Matt 4:4)

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11). ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).


 
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to me it's not clear what the yoke refers to

since Peter's fathers couldn't bear any of the rules,basically


Acts 15: 10. Now therefore why do you tempt God, that you should put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? - Bible Offline

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Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Is it clear who Jesus is speaking about here? Is this Moses, or God? Or can you see that it is the Pharisees that Jesus rebuked in Matt. 5?
 

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Jesus wasn't changing God's Law here in Matt. 5, as your post implies. He was exposing the Mainstream Preachers and their doctrines which came from man and setting the record straight on what the Word really teaches. You can go down the list and find where Jesus already detailed this truth through Moses or the Prophets. It's just that the Preachers in charge of administering God's Instructions, corrupted it instead. This is why Jesus created a "New Covenant".

Heb. 8:8 For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: (not Levi)

I hope this breakdown helps.
that's one way to read it

as i read it, Jesus' teaching does correct errors but goes far beyond that

i see the new covenant as much more than a repaired old covenant
 

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But Jesus is talking about His Law and the preachers who have corrupted it. Shouldn't you consider these scriptures as well?

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


And you base your claim on what? "You have heard it said by them of old time"? And you claim the "THEM" is Moses, and not the Pharisees who He just rebuked? The Chapter sure isn't about changing God's Laws, just the opposite actually.

The only reason you would even think this is if you have been convinced that God's Laws are somehow incomplete. That it isn't the Pharisees He rebuked that needs to change their ways, their teaching, but God that needs to change His Ways, His teaching.

I think this is just another way modern day preachers justify their traditions which cause those who follow them to transgress the commandments of God. I just can't buy into the preaching that Jesus was straightening out Moses, and His God who commanded him, and not the Pharisees who He just rebuked for rejecting His Fathers commands that He just said would not change one iota.

Seems like a no brainer to me.
don't murder

don't commit adultery

that's just what the commandments say, as i read it
 

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Well you said you can't deal with long posts, no I didn't post all the scriptures in the Law and Prophets that teach the exact same thing Jesus was correcting. I only posted one.

You are kind of ignoring what Jesus said so as to prove your point that Jesus is preaching against or different than the God of the Old Testament.

21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

The Law and Prophets speaks to so much more than this teaching. It is an absolute lie to say Moses only taught this. I posted just one scripture, there are many more.

But the Pharisees that Jesus rebuked before making this statement, they taught differently than Moses.

Matt. 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

So once again, the Pharisees taught about eye for an eye, don't kill, don't commit adultery. But Jesus instructed Moses to teach not to hate your brother as well, and to "not vex the stranger, and to love the stranger as thyself. Not to mention Jeremiah, Isaiah, Psalms, Proverbs, all of which furthered the teaching Jesus espoused in Matt. 5.

The "THEM" Jesus is speaking to are the Jews and Scribes which corrupted God's Word. Not Moses, or His God as you imply.
Jesus is not preaching different from the God of the ot

he is expanding, showing what God really meant
 

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Matt. 23:4 For they (Pharisees, not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Is it clear who Jesus is speaking about here? Is this Moses, or God? Or can you see that it is the Pharisees that Jesus rebuked in Matt. 5?
the Pharisees did bind heavy burdens*on people

to me it's not clear that's what Peter is referring to here
 

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Jesus is not preaching different from the God of the ot

he is expanding, showing what God really meant
Yes, because the preachers who had been teaching the people for centuries had "omitted the weightier matters of the Law", like Mercy that the Law and Prophets taught, Judgment, that the Law and Prophets taught, and Faith, that the Law and Prophets taught.

I'm not sure why it is so important for you to neglect these truths. But I have made my case, you disagree "Not from scriptural evidence", but because "you see".

I can live with that.

Thanks for the discussion.
 

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that's one way to read it

as i read it, Jesus' teaching does correct errors but goes far beyond that

i see the new covenant as much more than a repaired old covenant
I must go with what the scriptures teach, not men who Jesus specifically warned of. I don't believe Jesus "Corrected" God, rather, the mainstream preachers of His day.

You are free to make your claim that He did correct His Father, and not the Pharisees as the scripture indicate. I have shared what the scriptures say, I can do no more. We discussed, I made a case, and you disagree. I can live with that.
 

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I must go with what the scriptures teach, not men who Jesus specifically warned of. I don't believe Jesus "Corrected" God, rather, the mainstream preachers of His day.

so why didn't He stone the adulterous woman in John 8?
 
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we, hub and I both know this for sure, as we live our daily lives, even after 'conversion',
we will 'reap what we sow', this kind of gives one a wake-up-call in where they fit into Jesus'
plan of salvation...sort of like a Jesus reality check!!! and not our own version that the world has
implanted into our spirits/brains...
 

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As I said, when you can explain how you eat Jesus Flesh, in order to get to heaven, then I am willing to discuss the spiritual intent of stoning sinners to death.
not "spiritual intent"

literal, corporeal execution resulting in physical death.

does the Law demand this, yes or no?
 
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Thanks brother, I learn from my hard life experience . Only Jesus give me the real rest, nothing else, all are empty but Jesus
Hello Jackson,

God does not give anyone rest who does not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. If you are sinning against God you do not KNOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another.

1 John 2
3,
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.


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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

 

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A little overzealous there... I said "Moses to the Exodus"

not the exodus latsted X number of years...
[FONT=times\ new\ roman]From Egypt to Moses: (X=Kohath to Amram to Moses) X = 63 years[/FONT]
Moses to the Exodus 80 years 63+80=143 not 430.
 

Jackson123

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Hello Jackson,

God does not give anyone rest who does not BELIEVE and FOLLOW him. If you are sinning against God you do not KNOW him who calls you in LOVE to LOVE another.

1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that said, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.


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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).

And His commandment is Love God and other.

do you keep His command?

Do you drive or kindle fire on sabbath?
 

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to me it's not clear what the yoke refers to

since Peter's fathers couldn't bear any of the rules,basically


Acts 15: 10. Now therefore why do you tempt God, that you should put a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? - Bible Offline

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posted from my phone, blessings!
A yoke is the connection point between a beast of burden and a tool that needs to be pulled: i.e. plow ,rake, cultivator, wagon, etc.

The rabbis who wrote the Babylonian Talmud referred to that Talmud as the 'yoke of Torah'.

Jesus, referring to the additional burdens that the rabbis added to the Law as the 'yoke of Torah'; said take My yoke upon you for My yoke is easy and my burden is light.

In saying this Jesus is in effect saying that my requirements are much less than those of the pharisees.

Jesus inspired Paul to write that Jesus' yoke does NOT involve the Law [including the 10 commandments] at all.
 
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And His commandment is Love God and other.

do you keep His command?

Do you drive or kindle fire on sabbath?
If you break God's Commandments my dear friend you do not LOVE God or your neighbor.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.


.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

Jackson123

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If you break God's Commandments my dear friend you do not LOVE God or your neighbor.

SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; James 2:9-11).

ALL who CONTINUE in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN WILL be LOST and NOT Enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.


.................

God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has lead many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)


There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
If you kindle fire you break the command of God dear, and if you drive your car you kindle fire
 

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No matter HOW many times SCRIPTURE is repeated

the DISobedient will NOT understand !!!