KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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KJV1611

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trofimus said:
Jesus is not Father. Jesus is Son.

And because He was begotten "before time began", it means He is eternal.
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The verse I posted said he is called the eternal father. Do you say this scripture is wrong?
 
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More evidence.

[h=1]John 14:8-10 King James Version (KJV)[/h]8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.
 
Dino246

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KJV1611 said:
This I don't understand. Are you saying God couldn't or wouldn't do the number patterns in other languages?
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I said precisely what I meant, but I'll rephrase it for you: firstly, I said nothing about God's capacity and I said nothing about His will. I said that I don't give credence to number patterns in anything other than the original languages, unless the patterns also exist in the original languages. If it isn't in the Greek (or Hebrew), I don't base any belief on it.
 
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Dino246 said:
I said precisely what I meant, but I'll rephrase it for you: firstly, I said nothing about God's capacity and I said nothing about His will. I said that I don't give credence to number patterns in anything other than the original languages, unless the patterns also exist in the original languages. If it isn't in the Greek (or Hebrew), I don't base any belief on it.
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I gotcha. Originals are where it's at with you.:)
 
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KJV1611 said:
No scripture says that Jesus was begotten of God in eternity past. This where reading a bible your native is imperative.
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Eternity doesn't have a past. God simply IS. He has no beginning, he is not a created being. The Son IS begotten of The Father in eternity.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
Eternity doesn't have a past. God simply IS. He has no beginning, he is not a created being. The Son IS begotten of The Father in eternity.
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Do you know of a verse that says that?
 
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KJV1611 said:
No scripture says that Jesus was begotten of God in eternity past.
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"The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
He established me before time began, before he made the earth: even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me."
Proverbs 8:22
 
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KJV1611 said:
The verse I posted said he is called the eternal father. Do you say this scripture is wrong?
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Yes, I think this translation is wrong.

It should be "father of the age to come", IMHO.
 
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Dino246 said:
I said precisely what I meant, but I'll rephrase it for you: firstly, I said nothing about God's capacity and I said nothing about His will. I said that I don't give credence to number patterns in anything other than the original languages, unless the patterns also exist in the original languages. If it isn't in the Greek (or Hebrew), I don't base any belief on it.
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The number patterns are in the original languages. The first pattern is in Genesis 1:1 which contains 7 words in the Hebrew. The gematria of these 7 words is 2701 (37 x 73).
 
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KJV1611 said:
Do you know of a verse that says that?
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What was wrong with the verses from Colossians that I posted yesterday? [or was it the day before?]
Colossians 1, John 1. The Son was there in the beginning. All things were created through him.

Exodus 3:14
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And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‬ ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh) The self-existent or eternal one.
 
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Lucy-Pevensie said:
What was wrong with the verses from Colossians that I posted yesterday? [or was it the day before?]
Colossians 1, John 1. The Son was there in the beginning. All things were created through him.

Exodus 3:14
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And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.

I Am that I Am (אֶהְיֶה אֲשֶׁר אֶהְיֶה‬ ’ehyeh ’ăšer ’ehyeh) The self-existent or eternal one.
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That proves that God is eternal I agree, where does it show that Jesus the eternal God came out of th Father?
 
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trofimus said:
Yes, I think this translation is wrong.

It should be "father of the age to come", IMHO.
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It would be hard to argue a point when you don't accept what the verses say. :)
 
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It would be hard to argue a point when you don't accept what the verses say. :)
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Son is not Father.

No matter what verse you want to use for that, its really against the Trinity doctrine.

 
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trofimus said:

"The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
He established me before time began, before he made the earth: even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me."
Proverbs 8:22
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Have you looked up the definition of establish?

es·tab·lish
əˈstabliSH/
verb

  • 1.
    set up (an organization, system, or set of rules) on a firm or permanent basis.
    "the British established a rich trade with Portugal"


  • [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]set up, start, initiate, institute, form, found, create, inaugurate; More
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    [/TABLE]

  • 2.
    achieve permanent acceptance or recognition for.
    "the principle of the supremacy of national parliaments needs to be firmly established"


Establish does not mean begotten or monogenes.
 
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trofimus

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KJV1611 said:
Have you looked up the definition of establish?

es·tab·lish
əˈstabliSH/
verb

  • 1.
    set up (an organization, system, or set of rules) on a firm or permanent basis.
    [COLOR=#878787 !important]"the British established a rich trade with Portugal"

  • [TABLE="class: vk_tbl vk_gy"]
    [TR]
    [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
    [TD]set up, start, initiate, institute, form, found, create, inaugurate; More

    [/TD]
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  • 2.
    achieve permanent acceptance or recognition for.
    [COLOR=#878787 !important]"the principle of the supremacy of national parliaments needs to be firmly established"


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Establish does not mean begotten or monogenes.
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Please, notice what I made bold - begets.


"The Lord made me the beginning of his ways for his works.
He established me before time began, before he made the earth: even before he made the depths; before the fountains of water came forth: before the mountains were settled, and before all hills, he begets me."
Proverbs 8:22
 
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trofimus said:
Son is not Father.

No matter what verse you want to use for that, its really against the Trinity doctrine.

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There is no argument against the godhead, the argument is the eternal Christ coming out of the Father.... is not true in no way shape or form.
 
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KJV1611 said:
There is no argument against the godhead, the argument is the eternal Christ coming out of the Father.... is not true in no way shape or form.
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You are also arguing that Son is Father (based on your version of Is 9:6), so I am confused how is that a no argument against Trinity...
 
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trofimus said:
d) whenever somebody "discover number patterns", yes, a KJV reader.
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trofimus said:
So, you cannot be surprised that we are looking for connections why it is so. It cannot be a mere coincidence.
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AmazingWord - Messages often overlooked in the Bible (KJV, NIV, NASB...): God's Number 37 - theme tells of perfection/sanctification/being saved...

This article is from 2010 and is about the number 37 and the Bible. Whoever wrote this article is quoting a NASB (for sure in Psalm 37:37). The point is here is a person using a modern bibles discussing number patterns of 37 who is not some KJVO. This is just an example of why the opinions of people can be easily dismissed because they are not grounded in truth.
 
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