The King James Bible

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KJV1611 said:
2 Timothy 3:16 King James Version (KJV)

16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

According to the bible there is only one kind of scripture - inspired by God. If it's not inspired by God then it's not scripture.

NOTE: It did not say all scripture WAS given by inspiriation of God.
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complete non sequitur...
 
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“Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.” (John 15:3)


“Now” 518th (37 x 7 x 2) occurrence of this word in the Bible (case)
“Now ye” 12th occurrence of this phrase in the Bible.
“ye are” 28th (7 x 4) occurrence of this phrase in the NT
“clean” 14th (7 x 2) verse that contains this word in the NT
“clean” 21st (7 x 3) book of the Bible that contains this word
“through” 35th (7 x 5) occurrence of this word in the NT
“through the” 147th (7 x 7 x 3) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible
“the word” 322nd (7 x 46) occurrence in the 315th (7 x 45) verse of the Bible
“the word” 37th occurrence of this phrase in the NT (case)
“the word” 37th verse of the NT containing this word (any case)
“the word*” 574th (7 x 82) occurrence and 37th book of the Bible
“the word*” 511th (7 x 73) occurrence of this phrase in the Bible (case)
“the word*” 49th (7 x 7) occurrence of this phrase in the NT
“word” 555th (37 x 15) occurrence of this word in the Bible (case)
“word” 539th (77 x 7) verse of the Bible that contains this word (case)
“word*” 1043rd (7 x 149) occurrence in the Bible (case)
“word*” 98th (7 x 7 x 2) occurrence of this word (case)
“which” 3444th (7 x 492) occurrence in the Bible
“which” 3353rd (7 x 479) occurrence in the Bible (case)
“which” 584th (73 x 8) occurrence in the NT
“which” 555th (37 x 15) occurrence in the NT (case)
“spoken” 37th verse in the NT containing this word
“unto you” 385th (77 x 5) verse that contains this phrase in the Bible.
“I have spoken unto you” 4th and final occurrence of this phrase (4 gospels)


The word “clean” is found 133 (7 x 19) times in the Bible.


The phrase “the word” is found 469 (7 x 67) times in the Bible and in 133 (7 x 19) verses of the New Testament.


The phrase “the word” (case) occurs 407 (37 x 11) times in the Bible


All forms of the word “clean” (cleansed, cleansing etc.) found 222 (37 x 6) times in the Bible (case) and 37 times in the New Testament.


“have spoken” found in 66 verses of the Bible and 14 (7 x 2) times in the NT.


“spoken” 196 (7 x 7 x 4; same as “Jesus Christ”) times in 148 (37 x 4) chapters of the OT.


“spoken unto you” Jesus speaks this phrase exactly 7 times in the King James Bible
 
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CS1 said:
I agree with that to. this is why as defenders of the fatih as i'm sure you, the liberial theologians will use the word Error to discredit all of thew Bible. Liberial theologians have no integerity in Biblical study .
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I am certainly NOT a Liberal theologian. I agree that Liberial theologians have no integerity in Biblical study; and I suspect that

Liberial theologians have no integerity.
 
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trofimus said:
Bible is not God.

Error can be very easily made during manuscript copying or by a wrong translation, why not?
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To hold to any translation as error-free, one would have to hold to the translators being inspired.
 
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notuptome said:
It's always a problem with man. God did not breathe the scriptures in English. God moved holy men of God to write His word.

Moses recorded Gods word but the only part that God actually wrote was on the tables of stone on the mountain. That of course was the second set because the set Moses wrote he smashed.

Men wrote what God breathed in Hebrews, Greek and Aramaic not English, German, Latin or Spanish.

God has preserved His word through the translation process so 2 Tim 3:16-17 remains true and we can receive it in our language.

For the cause of Christ
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I certainly agree that God did not breathe the scriptures in the English text and so with the Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin, French and all the languages of this world. He inspires them. Also agree that God moved the holy men of God to write His word. Likewise, God did not inspire the writer of the Bible. What God inspire is His written words.

When God preserved His words through translation, he preserved His words thus inspiration is in it.There's nothing about the "double inspiration" as others assumed it to be.

God bless
 
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fredoheaven said:
I certainly agree that God did not breathe the scriptures in the English text and so with the Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic, Latin, French and all the languages of this world. He inspires them. Also agree that God moved the holy men of God to write His word. Likewise, God did not inspire the writer of the Bible. What God inspire is His written words.

When God preserved His words through translation, he preserved His words thus inspiration is in it.There's nothing about the "double inspiration" as others assumed it to be.

God bless
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God inspired the original authors of His word to write it down. Those who copied it down through the centuries were not inspired as they copied it. That's why I think texts such as Mark 16:9-20 & John 7:53-8:11 are blended in scribal notes that the scribes had written in the margins as notes and eventually got blended into the text.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
God inspired the original authors of His word to write it down. Those who copied it down through the centuries were not inspired as they copied it. That's why I think texts such as Mark 16:9-20 & John 7:53-8:11 are blended in scribal notes that the scribes had written in the margins as notes and eventually got blended into the text.
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Would you now demonstrate that using God's word that He inspire the authors like James, Peter, John, Luke, Paul etc?

Thanks
 
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jasonford316 said:
I love these facts about the KJV keep up the good work brother. Jesus stated that the truth shall set us free. When people change the Word of God they are corrupting the truth and presenting us with lies. The Bible says that when the devil speaks a lie he speaks of himself, he is the father of lies. It is sad and breaks my heart that there are so many corrupt so called versions that don't agree with themselves nor the true Word of God. I used to study out of other versions until I saw that the difference was so obvious by a personal side by side study of them and the KJV. Later I learned about the Greek texts and where they originate from. My prayer for all is that they will study to show themselves approved a workman who needeth not be ashamed, rightly dividing the Word of truth. satan is attacking the Word just like he did in the garden and many are being deceived. I owe my all to God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. God wants us all to know the truth, He can not lie and will not lie to us. Let God be true and every man a liar. When mankind changes the Word of God in any way it becomes a lie, not of God.
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Did you know that Satan is THE ACCUSER of the brethren? See Rev 12:10. It's Satan's role to bring charges against your brothers. Not yours.
 
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fredoheaven said:
Would you now demonstrate that using God's word that He inspire the authors like James, Peter, John, Luke, Paul etc?

Thanks
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The original papyri they wrote the scriptures upon whilst they were until the inspiration of the Spirit, is the inspired word of God. Those who took those papyri and copied it, they were not inspired whilst they copied it, and those copies are not inspired, but copies of the inspired word of God. Even your beloved KJV can not escape this.

To hold that the bible is error-free, one must also hold to EVERY person who copied the copies of the copies, of the copies, of the copies, &c, must have been inspired as they copied it to keep it error-free.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
The original papyri they wrote the scriptures upon whilst they were until the inspiration of the Spirit, is the inspired word of God. Those who took those papyri and copied it, they were not inspired whilst they copied it, and those copies are not inspired, but copies of the inspired word of God. Even your beloved KJV can not escape this.

To hold that the bible is error-free, one must also hold to EVERY person who copied the copies of the copies, of the copies, of the copies, &c, must have been inspired as they copied it to keep it error-free.
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SG:The original papyri they wrote the scriptures upon whilst they were until the inspiration of the Spirit, is the inspired word of God.

Fredoheaven: Good opinion here, but I am asking to fully demonstrate using God’s word what is/are you/r basis the original writers of the Bible gets inspiration? Your post here seems to favour that inspiration has something to do with the texts, the writings and not the writers that you’ve first mention.

SG:Those who took those papyri and copied it, they were not inspired...

Fredoheaven:I see…unaware of the scriptures used by Jesus, the Bereans, Timothy and others. Are they not copies? If each possess having scrolls, so which scrolls is the original?

SG: ...EVERY person who copied...

Fredoheaven:​Okay, but this does not explain inspiration of the text. This is about transmission of the text.
 
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fredoheaven said:
SG:The original papyri they wrote the scriptures upon whilst they were until the inspiration of the Spirit, is the inspired word of God.

Fredoheaven: Good opinion here, but I am asking to fully demonstrate using God’s word what is/are you/r basis the original writers of the Bible gets inspiration? Your post here seems to favour that inspiration has something to do with the texts, the writings and not the writers that you’ve first mention.

SG:Those who took those papyri and copied it, they were not inspired...

Fredoheaven:I see…unaware of the scriptures used by Jesus, the Bereans, Timothy and others. Are they not copies? If each possess having scrolls, so which scrolls is the original?

SG: ...EVERY person who copied...

Fredoheaven:​Okay, but this does not explain inspiration of the text. This is about transmission of the text.
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I am not for sure what exactly you're asking, so if its not the answer you're looking for, please forgive me. The writers were inspired as they wrote the scriptures. Those scriptures were free from error, as they were penned as men were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Now, those original papyri were error-free, but to say that the bibles we have now are also error-free, means that all those who made copies of the copies, of the copies, of the copies, of the copies, and so on, had men also inspired via the Holy Spirit as they copied those copies.

Some churches do hold to the notion the KJV translators were also inspired as they translated the KJV.
 
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SovereignGrace said:
I am not for sure what exactly you're asking, so if its not the answer you're looking for, please forgive me. The writers were inspired as they wrote the scriptures. Those scriptures were free from error, as they were penned as men were moved by the Holy Spirit.

Now, those original papyri were error-free, but to say that the bibles we have now are also error-free, means that all those who made copies of the copies, of the copies, of the copies, of the copies, and so on, had men also inspired via the Holy Spirit as they copied those copies.

Some churches do hold to the notion the KJV translators were also inspired as they translated the KJV.
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The writers were inspired. No, their writings are. Moved by the Holy Spirit is not synonymous to inspiration. Copies of scriptures in the hands of Jesus, the Berean, Timothy etc. are given by inspiration.

I do not believe that the translators of the KJV were also inspired, what they have translated is given by inspiration. It's alive and well.

God bless
 
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fredoheaven said:
The writers were inspired. No, their writings are. Moved by the Holy Spirit is not synonymous to inspiration. Copies of scriptures in the hands of Jesus, the Berean, Timothy etc. are given by inspiration.

I do not believe that the translators of the KJV were also inspired, what they have translated is given by inspiration. It's alive and well.

God bless
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You think the KJV is inspired??
 
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