KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES

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John146

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Well if Abraham knew it and saw it, I would think the audience knew about it.
Abraham knew about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Jesus' disciples had no understanding of it, neither would the Jewish audience in Matthew. It was hid from the beginning of the world up until shortly afterwards.
 
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Abraham knew about the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ? Jesus' disciples had no understanding of it, neither would the Jewish audience in Matthew. It was hid from the beginning of the world up until shortly afterwards.
[h=1]John 8:56 King James Version (KJV)[/h]56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
 

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John 8:56 King James Version (KJV)

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
Knew about a coming Messiah but had no clue about the death, burial and resurrection. That was in mystery form until after it happened.
 
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Knew about a coming Messiah but had no clue about the death, burial and resurrection. That was in mystery form until after it happened.
Genesis 22:3-4 King James Version (KJV)

3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.

This is what Jesus was talking about in John 8:56. On the 3rd day (resurrection day) Abraham saw the PLACE afar off, not in distance but in time.
 
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Knew about a coming Messiah but had no clue about the death, burial and resurrection. That was in mystery form until after it happened.
Also even if you can't see that, the Old Testament is full of propheicies of Jesus coming and dying to save us from our sins.
 

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Knew about a coming Messiah but had no clue about the death, burial and resurrection. That was in mystery form until after it happened.
It was all "clearly" (to those who had spiritual sight) prophecised:

1. Christ will be God:
"For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder, and his name is called the messenger of great counsel, wonderful counsellor, mighty God..."
Is 9:6

2. Christ will suffer
"But he was wounded on account of our sins, and was bruised because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; [and] by his bruises we were healed."
Is 53:5

3. Christ will die
"for his life is taken away from the earth: because of the iniquities of my people he was led to death"
Is 53

4. Christ will be buried
"...and I will give the wicked for his burial, and the rich for his death..."

5. Christ will be resurrected:
"thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. "
Psalm 16:10

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I know that its easier for us to see it after it happened and after apostles explained it. On the other hand I believe that those who God elected in the Old Testament, they understood it too.
 
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Here's a good one for this thread, did Abraham rejoice at the THOUGHT of seeing Jesus' day or did he see Jesus' day?

John 8:56 New International Version (NIV)

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”


John 8:56 King James Version (KJV)

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
 

trofimus

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Here's a good one for this thread, did Abraham rejoice at the THOUGHT of seeing Jesus' day or did he see Jesus' day?

John 8:56 New International Version (NIV)

[FONT=&]56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”

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John 8:56 King James Version (KJV)

[FONT=&]56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.[/FONT]
KJV is more literal translation, NIV is more dynamic translation.

If you think that literal is the way to go, you must compare the KJV to NASB, BLB etc.
 
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KJV is more literal translation, NIV is more dynamic translation.

If you think that literal is the way to go, you must compare the KJV to NASB, BLB etc.
I did compare to the NASB and although the text agrees with the KJV, the footnote changes it to "that he might see".

John 8:56 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced [a]to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Footnotes:


  1. John 8:56 Lit in order that he might see
 

trofimus

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I did compare to the NASB and although the text agrees with the KJV, the footnote changes it to "that he might see".

John 8:56 New American Standard Bible (NASB)

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced [a]to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”
Footnotes:


  1. John 8:56 Lit in order that he might see
I do not know what you mean by "change". Their footnote mentions what is the technical literal Greek meaning. So it extends the translation they gave in the text.

Are you satisfied with BLB? :)
 
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I do not know what you mean by "change". Their footnote mentions what is the technical literal Greek meaning. So it extends the translation they gave in the text.
What is the NASB trying to say, "He saw" or "in order that he might see"?
 

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It was all "clearly" (to those who had spiritual sight) prophecised:

1. Christ will be God:
"For a child is born to us, and a son is given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder, and his name is called the messenger of great counsel, wonderful counsellor, mighty God..."
Is 9:6

2. Christ will suffer
"But he was wounded on account of our sins, and was bruised because of our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; [and] by his bruises we were healed."
Is 53:5

3. Christ will die
"for his life is taken away from the earth: because of the iniquities of my people he was led to death"
Is 53

4. Christ will be buried
"...and I will give the wicked for his burial, and the rich for his death..."

5. Christ will be resurrected:
"thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption. "
Psalm 16:10

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I know that its easier for us to see it after it happened and after apostles explained it. On the other hand I believe that those who God elected in the Old Testament, they understood it too.
Romans 16 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
 
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Romans 16 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
I know this was to Trof but what do you think the mystery was?
 

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Romans 16 25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,
26 But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith:
It seems to me that the mystery is the fact (and it was new even to apostles) that also Gentiles are to be saved.

"Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,
but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith."

NIV
 

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It seems to me that the mystery is the fact (and it was new even to apostles) that also Gentiles are to be saved.

"Now to him who is able to establish you in accordance with my gospel, the message I proclaim about Jesus Christ, in keeping with the revelation of the mystery hidden for long ages past,
but now revealed and made known through the prophetic writings by the command of the eternal God, so that all the Gentiles might come to the obedience that comes from faith."

NIV
The death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the mystery. Even His disciples had no clue because it was hid from them on purpose as it was everyone else since the world began.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
 
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The death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the mystery. Even His disciples had no clue because it was hid from them on purpose as it was everyone else since the world began.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
Thats good stuff, I never noticed that before.
 

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From what I can tell the biggest majority is figurative, very little straight forward.

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I have never done a numerical analysis of content but, I don't believe it would be a majority. Literal meaning covers much of scriptures. ( many have a problem with literal meaning in The Bible because they don't believe what is recorded).

Having said that..figures of speech is prominent.
 
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trofimus

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The death, burial and resurrection of the Messiah, Jesus Christ, was the mystery. Even His disciples had no clue because it was hid from them on purpose as it was everyone else since the world began.

Luke 18
31 Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished.
32 For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:
33 And they shall scourge him, and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again.
34 And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken.
I believe that Jews did not see it in times of Jesus. It was hidden from them so it could happen (that they will kill Him etc.).

I believe that Abraham, Moses and other prophets knew.
 

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Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

I see that the enemy has come in like a flood in America and also the whole world. Even on the global stage unbelief towards God’s written word is being promoted. And the world is becoming like the sea that John saw the beast rise up out of as he stood on the sand of the sea.

Everywhere and at all levels of society the the things taught in the Authorized Holy Bible are being denied and rejected by man.

It is in a time such as this that the Authorized Holy Bible is to be lifted up to exalt Jesus Christ and his doctrine, and to give prophetic knowledge and understanding to all who are confronting the end of days flood of iniquity to prepare the saints for the coming onslaught of the antichrist spirit and the wrath of Satan.

Only the Authorized gives the prophetic knowledge and understanding the saints need.