KING JAMES VERSION BIBLE VS. MODERN ENGLISH BIBLES
- Thread starter KingJamesVersionBibleOnly
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
The results are brilliant! praises honour and glory given to God! People drawing closer to The Lord and learning his plan! Another generation of Christians having his clear word to stand on and a powerful witnessing tool in their hands.
Psalm 150:6 NIV
Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
Psalm 150:6 NIV
Let everything that has breath praise the Lord.
Praise the Lord.
Last edited:
Matthew 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
In the verse above Jesus gives example of eyes used to commit sin.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Then Jesus teaches that if the eye is the offender then get rid of the eye and save the body.
Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Then Jesus teaches that if the right hand is the offender then get rid of it and save the body.
Matthew 5:31-32 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Then Jesus gives an example of the use of the right hand writing a divorce that leads to commuting adultery.
It isn’t a coincidence that the right eye and right hand examples are bracketed by two corresponding examples.
I consider this literary device God uses, a parenthetical. Which means that the verses are bracketed and are to be understood in the of context of those parentheticals.
It is a profound method of instruction because, as in the above example, it allows Jesus to argue that if man thinks sin is caused by the body then, sacrifice the body, at the same time Jesus reveals that the heart is the true cause of sin. For even in the hand example we know that Jesus taught that God allowed divorce because of the hardness of men’s hearts who sought divorce rather than forgiveness and reconciliation.
By use of the parenthetical examples Jesus proves that the heart is the cause of sin, and that the body is corrupted by that heart of sin.
Jesus also shows that the law can be used to justify sin. That is, that a hardened, unloving heart, corrupts man’s understanding and use of the law.
The examples Jesus gives of cutting off of the eye and hand to save the body teaches us that the true cause of sin must be literally sacrificed for the sake of one’s salvation.
And since Jesus teaches that the heart of man is the offender we are doomed because we must lay down our own lives to escape hell and it’s to late for that since he proved we are rotten to the core.
The parenthetical horns of the dilemma.
The conclusion is that our literal need for salvation requires us to have the body put to death and for us to be born again with a new heart.
Only Jesus Christ is able to save us from the condemnation of the law while providing us salvation by making a new man.
And this shows that salvation although true now in the spirit, is not yet true in the flesh and soul. Salvation is promised us, and our faith assures us God’s word is true. But, we a left behind on earth to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling till Jesus returns.
What does working out our salvation mean?
It means believing on the one whom God sent to save us, Jesus Christ.
To do that we must remain faithful to Jesus and love not our lives unto death through all tribulation.
It is the grace of God that secures us not our faithfulness. For we stumble in our faith being yet weak. But we are not castaways because the strength of the faith of Jesus keeps us safe in his hand. But, we fear and tremble lest our faith be found wanting.
Stand therefore in the grace of God by faith in Jesus.
In the verse above Jesus gives example of eyes used to commit sin.
Matthew 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Then Jesus teaches that if the eye is the offender then get rid of the eye and save the body.
Matthew 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
Then Jesus teaches that if the right hand is the offender then get rid of it and save the body.
Matthew 5:31-32 It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement: but I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
Then Jesus gives an example of the use of the right hand writing a divorce that leads to commuting adultery.
It isn’t a coincidence that the right eye and right hand examples are bracketed by two corresponding examples.
I consider this literary device God uses, a parenthetical. Which means that the verses are bracketed and are to be understood in the of context of those parentheticals.
It is a profound method of instruction because, as in the above example, it allows Jesus to argue that if man thinks sin is caused by the body then, sacrifice the body, at the same time Jesus reveals that the heart is the true cause of sin. For even in the hand example we know that Jesus taught that God allowed divorce because of the hardness of men’s hearts who sought divorce rather than forgiveness and reconciliation.
By use of the parenthetical examples Jesus proves that the heart is the cause of sin, and that the body is corrupted by that heart of sin.
Jesus also shows that the law can be used to justify sin. That is, that a hardened, unloving heart, corrupts man’s understanding and use of the law.
The examples Jesus gives of cutting off of the eye and hand to save the body teaches us that the true cause of sin must be literally sacrificed for the sake of one’s salvation.
And since Jesus teaches that the heart of man is the offender we are doomed because we must lay down our own lives to escape hell and it’s to late for that since he proved we are rotten to the core.
The parenthetical horns of the dilemma.
The conclusion is that our literal need for salvation requires us to have the body put to death and for us to be born again with a new heart.
Only Jesus Christ is able to save us from the condemnation of the law while providing us salvation by making a new man.
And this shows that salvation although true now in the spirit, is not yet true in the flesh and soul. Salvation is promised us, and our faith assures us God’s word is true. But, we a left behind on earth to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling till Jesus returns.
What does working out our salvation mean?
It means believing on the one whom God sent to save us, Jesus Christ.
To do that we must remain faithful to Jesus and love not our lives unto death through all tribulation.
It is the grace of God that secures us not our faithfulness. For we stumble in our faith being yet weak. But we are not castaways because the strength of the faith of Jesus keeps us safe in his hand. But, we fear and tremble lest our faith be found wanting.
Stand therefore in the grace of God by faith in Jesus.
Last edited:
I am objective in that I read what is written and see that it is God’s word. This being true because the scripture demands that scripture be judged by scripture to assure authenticity, even in like manner as prophets judge prophets to insure the authenticity of a word spoken.
I find the arguments against faith in the written word of God are subjective in that they are philosophical and unrelated to any actual textual problem.
I find the arguments against faith in the written word of God are subjective in that they are philosophical and unrelated to any actual textual problem.
Last edited:
I think you are complicating it too much.
"If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."
Mt 18:8
If there is something in your life that causes you to stumble, to sin, offends you, is causing something evil in your life, get rid of it.
If supposed "saved ones" are not doing it and do not care about how to solve sin in their life, they are not truly saved, IMHO. So, eternal fire is in place.
"If your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire."
Mt 18:8
If there is something in your life that causes you to stumble, to sin, offends you, is causing something evil in your life, get rid of it.
If supposed "saved ones" are not doing it and do not care about how to solve sin in their life, they are not truly saved, IMHO. So, eternal fire is in place.
The defenders of modern bibles admit they are corrupt.
For that reason they attack the Authorized Holy Bible.
But their notion of error is not a scriptural doctrine, but a subjectively man made rationale. And on philosophical grounds they ask you you readers to reason contrary to faith in God, that error can’t be avoided.
What if your faith in God is challenged by what appears as error to some folks way of thinking? What are you going to do? Doubt God but trust man?
When Jesus went to the cross men tried to cause him to doubt that the word of God directed him to die on the cross.
Jesus said Get thee behind me Satan and went forth to die for us on the cross.
Reading the Old Testament proves that God’s word always appears a foolish thing to believe. Remember how God’s word to Abraham to slay his only begotten son Isaac seemed contrary to God’s promise to him? Did Abraham reason according to faith in God’s word or did he reason based on flesh?
If he’d reasoned as the modern bible promoters do today he would have assumed God was in error.
But Abraham according to his faith knew that although God’s command to slay Isaac seemed to prove God contradictory and unloving, God nevertheless was loving and trustworthy.
When Abraham walked for three days towards the sacrifice of Isaac he didn’t reason as a doubter but as a man of faith in God. He knew by faith that if Isaac was slain then Isaac would be raised from the dead also.
In that manner God reveals truth that unbelievers can’t see.
So it is with the Authorized Holy Bible. It may appears to doubters that it must have error in it, but the faithful know it is authored in the incorruptible manner pleasing to God.
Have you noticed that Jesus Christ was presented in a manner that allowed doubters to reject him based on the way he appeared to them in the flesh.
But we know the humble birth of Jesus, for an example, hid the birth of the king of kings.
And Jesus was hidden still he manifested God’s authority and power in ministry. But what did the haters say? Where did you get your authority? Why do your apostles not wash their hands?
They accused Jesus of breaking the law. They accused him of blasphemy. They judged him worthy of death.
And people who attack the veracity of the authority of the Authorized Holy Bible attack it in the same manner of the unbelieving in Christ in those days did.
For that reason they attack the Authorized Holy Bible.
But their notion of error is not a scriptural doctrine, but a subjectively man made rationale. And on philosophical grounds they ask you you readers to reason contrary to faith in God, that error can’t be avoided.
What if your faith in God is challenged by what appears as error to some folks way of thinking? What are you going to do? Doubt God but trust man?
When Jesus went to the cross men tried to cause him to doubt that the word of God directed him to die on the cross.
Jesus said Get thee behind me Satan and went forth to die for us on the cross.
Reading the Old Testament proves that God’s word always appears a foolish thing to believe. Remember how God’s word to Abraham to slay his only begotten son Isaac seemed contrary to God’s promise to him? Did Abraham reason according to faith in God’s word or did he reason based on flesh?
If he’d reasoned as the modern bible promoters do today he would have assumed God was in error.
But Abraham according to his faith knew that although God’s command to slay Isaac seemed to prove God contradictory and unloving, God nevertheless was loving and trustworthy.
When Abraham walked for three days towards the sacrifice of Isaac he didn’t reason as a doubter but as a man of faith in God. He knew by faith that if Isaac was slain then Isaac would be raised from the dead also.
In that manner God reveals truth that unbelievers can’t see.
So it is with the Authorized Holy Bible. It may appears to doubters that it must have error in it, but the faithful know it is authored in the incorruptible manner pleasing to God.
Have you noticed that Jesus Christ was presented in a manner that allowed doubters to reject him based on the way he appeared to them in the flesh.
But we know the humble birth of Jesus, for an example, hid the birth of the king of kings.
And Jesus was hidden still he manifested God’s authority and power in ministry. But what did the haters say? Where did you get your authority? Why do your apostles not wash their hands?
They accused Jesus of breaking the law. They accused him of blasphemy. They judged him worthy of death.
And people who attack the veracity of the authority of the Authorized Holy Bible attack it in the same manner of the unbelieving in Christ in those days did.
People call it the KJV to cover up that it is the Holy Bible of God.
The scriptures have always been the means of determining what is and isn’t the scripture of God.
By the scripture we discover that God’s written word has certain qualities that the word of man doesn’t have.
It is in the same manner in which we know the fruit of the Spirit is if God. In that case we apply the three tests assigned by scripture.
In the case of scripture we apply tests that scripture tells us to apply. It is by the measure of scripture that we validate scripture. We aren’t taught by scripture to validate scripture based a man made measure.
The scriptures have always been the means of determining what is and isn’t the scripture of God.
By the scripture we discover that God’s written word has certain qualities that the word of man doesn’t have.
It is in the same manner in which we know the fruit of the Spirit is if God. In that case we apply the three tests assigned by scripture.
In the case of scripture we apply tests that scripture tells us to apply. It is by the measure of scripture that we validate scripture. We aren’t taught by scripture to validate scripture based a man made measure.