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Sabbath is not mentioned in Acts 15.
It is never commanded anywhere in the new covenant. Comprehend?
It is mentioned in Colossians 2 with the explicit admonition, do NOT allow anyone to judge you over it. It is explicitly called a shadow of the reality found in Christ there.
Comprehend?
It is never commanded anywhere in the new covenant. Comprehend?
It is mentioned in Colossians 2 with the explicit admonition, do NOT allow anyone to judge you over it. It is explicitly called a shadow of the reality found in Christ there.
Comprehend?
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Before the fall of the Tower of Babel all the landmass were connected in what scientist call Pangea. Which is shown to have been located in the equatorial regions where day and night are more equally 12 hours.
However the Bible records that the laws of nature were changed by God. Folks just assume that the world is as we see it now, when even scientist admit and record that it used to be drastically different.
In the same manner the Bible shows us how the Spiritual realms were changed by Jesus death, burial, resurrection and ascension into Heaven. All very fascinating topics.
However, this thread only is meant to trace one topic throughout the Bible and hopefully answer ONE main question:
How does God want us to keep His Sabbath?
However the Bible records that the laws of nature were changed by God. Folks just assume that the world is as we see it now, when even scientist admit and record that it used to be drastically different.
In the same manner the Bible shows us how the Spiritual realms were changed by Jesus death, burial, resurrection and ascension into Heaven. All very fascinating topics.
However, this thread only is meant to trace one topic throughout the Bible and hopefully answer ONE main question:
How does God want us to keep His Sabbath?
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What does the Bible passage tell us about the Sabbath?
I believe it shows that it was a part of God's test to the Israelite people, which they failed.
It also showed where the tradition of not gathering food or working came from. Some folks don't cook or even boil water. I know some people stay home in their PJ all day SAT.
What I don't understand is why did people keep disobeying God?
Okay I know some people will twist this scripture, but let's have some honesty.....
Does God send you manna in the morning and quail in the evening?
We know that later EVEN the Israelite people don't get Manna anymore after crossing into the promised land and eating of that fruit.
I think I will have to do a couple more readings of this scripture and many more before a full picture of what God's Sabbath is Biblically can be established.
However it's bedtime.
Night all.
I believe it shows that it was a part of God's test to the Israelite people, which they failed.
It also showed where the tradition of not gathering food or working came from. Some folks don't cook or even boil water. I know some people stay home in their PJ all day SAT.
What I don't understand is why did people keep disobeying God?
Okay I know some people will twist this scripture, but let's have some honesty.....
Does God send you manna in the morning and quail in the evening?
We know that later EVEN the Israelite people don't get Manna anymore after crossing into the promised land and eating of that fruit.
I think I will have to do a couple more readings of this scripture and many more before a full picture of what God's Sabbath is Biblically can be established.
However it's bedtime.
Night all.
Do we gather a double portion on Fridays, is my question?
((re: Exodus 16, first mention of sabbath observation in scripture))
Christ is the true manna. What does it mean, gather a double portion of Him on one day, because He will not be found the next? What does it mean, use Him on the day He is found, do not store Him ((excepting Fridays)) or He will be spoiled in the morning?
((re: Exodus 16, first mention of sabbath observation in scripture))
Christ is the true manna. What does it mean, gather a double portion of Him on one day, because He will not be found the next? What does it mean, use Him on the day He is found, do not store Him ((excepting Fridays)) or He will be spoiled in the morning?
Is your problem is with Messianic Jews or The Jew Messiah Jesus.... I do not know... What does THE JEW tell you about the Sabbath? Did G-d say trat every day like the Sabbath, as in your question? What does the Scripture say? He made the last day of the week the Sabbath? So what does Scripture tell you? And why cause discourse? Is that of G-d? If you CANNOT JUDGE THEM DO NOT GO THERE!!!!!
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the oracles of God
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [to give unto us] Acts 7:38
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
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If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
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Jesus said he did not come to do away with the law,
the next couple verses prove this so when he says
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever
does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Christ Instructed Keeping Passover on 14th , only once A year.
The Greek word for “passover” is pascha. Strong’s Concordance defines this
word as, “the Passover, the meal, the festival.” Any lexicon verifies this definition.
This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:
who received the lively oracles [to give unto us] Acts 7:38
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them
were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2
For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of
[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12
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If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11
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Jesus said he did not come to do away with the law,
the next couple verses prove this so when he says
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments,
and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever
does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
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“This is My body which is given for you; do this in remembrance of Me.”
Christ Instructed Keeping Passover on 14th , only once A year.
The Greek word for “passover” is pascha. Strong’s Concordance defines this
word as, “the Passover, the meal, the festival.” Any lexicon verifies this definition.
GOD's Will is for man to keep the Sabbath Holy....let's just focus on that for a start....can't we just all say 'Yes Lord we agree ' ! Sabbath requires more than just good works...that's why it's special !
By all means we should do good works of God every day but that does not make every day a Sabbath....which is twisting scripture to DEFLECT from GOD's holy time/day !
By all means we should do good works of God every day but that does not make every day a Sabbath....which is twisting scripture to DEFLECT from GOD's holy time/day !
Because they were addressing the Book of the Law not the Ten Commandments. The Decalogue was not the issue the Book of the Law was; and only parts of it.
Sure it is Heb 4:9,10
So there remains a (sabattismos) Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
Footnote: The Greek word is sabattismos, means Sabbath-keeping.
For he that is entered into his rest [received the Gospel], he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.
Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His. "As" is a direct comparison. So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works?
The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews 4:4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).
God Is a Spiritual Being he is always in the state of Spiritual Rest. HE did not enter into the Rest of the GOSPEL. On the Seventh Day the Sabbath he ceased from the physical labor of creation. And this is recorded in Genesis 2.
Therefore they that have received the Gospel Rest, cease from their own physical work as God did from His physical work on the 7th day Sabbath. And this is, was and will continue to be done on the Seventh day of the week.
The Context and Grammar prove that Colossians 2 is referring to the Book of the Law.
. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)
First the Word for Sabbath in Col 2:16 is plural.
Secondly Verse 16 starts with the word therefore. Which keeps it in context to what was previously stated. So let’s look at verse 14.
Col 2:14 in the King James version reads like this, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross”
The KJV did not do a good job translating that verse. It ignore the Greek definite article "tois".
The Greek says, "cheirographon (Handwriting) tois (to the) dogmasin (ordinances)"
The definite article “tois” would translate to the English word "the" as shown above. Because the clause cheirographon (Handwriting) tois (to the) dogmasin (ordinances) is in the dative case.
Robinson's morphological analyze grammatical codes states this on the Dative (indirect object, usually translated "to"; also location "in", "at"; instrument, "with")
So the phrase “handwriting of ordinances” being in the Dative case would dictate the use of the words "to, in, at or with" in it's translation.
So one can easily see it is the Handwriting to the ordinances and not the Handwriting of ordinances. "The Handwriting of the ordinances" would be the Handwriting that pertain to the ordinances and not the ordinances themselves.
The handwriting of ordinances could be misconstrued as to include the ordinances themselves. This is not the intent of the Author according to grammar.
If something is to something it is not the something it is separate. It is distinct from that in which it is of.
If something is to something it is not the same as that which it is to (part of) it is different.
"The Handwriting to the ordinances" would be the Handwriting that pertain to the ordinances. Not the ordinances themselves in Col 2:14.
The text says the "handwriting to the ordinances that were against us and contrary to us". These were those laws pertaining to when we sinned not those laws that showed us what righteousness is.
Paul is not addressing the Decalogue in Colossians. He is writing of the Book of the Law and only those writings in it that were against us and contrary to us. Those writings that dealt with when we sinned.
The Decalogue; the Ten Commandments are distinct from the Book of the Law. Deut. 31:26 covers both these points. It says, “Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
They are separate and Clearly only parts that dealt with when we sinned in Book of the Law is that which is a witness against us not the Decalogue.
The Decalogue and the statutes and commandments contained in the Book of the Law that show us what righteousness is are not against us they are for us. They are Life (Christ; the Word). Which is to be in our hearts. To be who we are; that is, the word of faith, which we preach. That is the GOSPEL!
For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ ( the Word; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances) down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The Word ( Christ the Divine utterances; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach.
Verse 10:4 For Christ (The word; the Divine utterances; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouth that we do it) is the end of the (written) law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(Rom10:6-8,4; 2Co 3:3-6)
Sure it is Heb 4:9,10
So there remains a (sabattismos) Sabbath-keeping for the people of Elohim.
Footnote: The Greek word is sabattismos, means Sabbath-keeping.
For he that is entered into his rest [received the Gospel], he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from His.
Because of receiving the Gospel we cease from our own works as GOD did from His. "As" is a direct comparison. So with that you must ask yourself how and when did God cease from his own works?
The answer to that is recorded in Gen 2.... on the Seventh Day, And God did rest from all His work on the seventh day (see Hebrews 4:4 and Genesis Chapter 2:1-3).
God Is a Spiritual Being he is always in the state of Spiritual Rest. HE did not enter into the Rest of the GOSPEL. On the Seventh Day the Sabbath he ceased from the physical labor of creation. And this is recorded in Genesis 2.
Therefore they that have received the Gospel Rest, cease from their own physical work as God did from His physical work on the 7th day Sabbath. And this is, was and will continue to be done on the Seventh day of the week.
The Context and Grammar prove that Colossians 2 is referring to the Book of the Law.
. Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
(Col 2:16 KJV)
First the Word for Sabbath in Col 2:16 is plural.
Secondly Verse 16 starts with the word therefore. Which keeps it in context to what was previously stated. So let’s look at verse 14.
Col 2:14 in the King James version reads like this, “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross”
The KJV did not do a good job translating that verse. It ignore the Greek definite article "tois".
The Greek says, "cheirographon (Handwriting) tois (to the) dogmasin (ordinances)"
The definite article “tois” would translate to the English word "the" as shown above. Because the clause cheirographon (Handwriting) tois (to the) dogmasin (ordinances) is in the dative case.
Robinson's morphological analyze grammatical codes states this on the Dative (indirect object, usually translated "to"; also location "in", "at"; instrument, "with")
So the phrase “handwriting of ordinances” being in the Dative case would dictate the use of the words "to, in, at or with" in it's translation.
So one can easily see it is the Handwriting to the ordinances and not the Handwriting of ordinances. "The Handwriting of the ordinances" would be the Handwriting that pertain to the ordinances and not the ordinances themselves.
The handwriting of ordinances could be misconstrued as to include the ordinances themselves. This is not the intent of the Author according to grammar.
If something is to something it is not the something it is separate. It is distinct from that in which it is of.
If something is to something it is not the same as that which it is to (part of) it is different.
"The Handwriting to the ordinances" would be the Handwriting that pertain to the ordinances. Not the ordinances themselves in Col 2:14.
The text says the "handwriting to the ordinances that were against us and contrary to us". These were those laws pertaining to when we sinned not those laws that showed us what righteousness is.
Paul is not addressing the Decalogue in Colossians. He is writing of the Book of the Law and only those writings in it that were against us and contrary to us. Those writings that dealt with when we sinned.
The Decalogue; the Ten Commandments are distinct from the Book of the Law. Deut. 31:26 covers both these points. It says, “Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.
They are separate and Clearly only parts that dealt with when we sinned in Book of the Law is that which is a witness against us not the Decalogue.
The Decalogue and the statutes and commandments contained in the Book of the Law that show us what righteousness is are not against us they are for us. They are Life (Christ; the Word). Which is to be in our hearts. To be who we are; that is, the word of faith, which we preach. That is the GOSPEL!
For righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ ( the Word; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances) down from above
Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ (the Word; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law; the Divine utterances) again from the dead.) But what saith it? The Word ( Christ the Divine utterances; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law) is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: (that thou mayest do it) that is, the word of faith, which we preach. Verse 10:4 For Christ (The word; the Divine utterances; GOD's commands and statutes written in the Book of the Law in our hearts and in our mouth that we do it) is the end of the (written) law for righteousness to everyone that believeth. Written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think anything as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
(Rom10:6-8,4; 2Co 3:3-6)
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Start with one day.
Give a list and Bible verses to support your list of the things one is to do on the Sabbath that you should not do EVERY DAY.
Then add things you don't do on the Sabbath but that are okay to do EVERY other day?
You will find your list is very short in the first category and very legalistic in the second.
The issue is that many people do not understand the difference between the Old and New Covenant. Some even claim the New covenant should be called the "Renewed" covenant, revealing that they are looking to Mount Sinai and NOT mount Zion.
Give a list and Bible verses to support your list of the things one is to do on the Sabbath that you should not do EVERY DAY.
Then add things you don't do on the Sabbath but that are okay to do EVERY other day?
You will find your list is very short in the first category and very legalistic in the second.
The issue is that many people do not understand the difference between the Old and New Covenant. Some even claim the New covenant should be called the "Renewed" covenant, revealing that they are looking to Mount Sinai and NOT mount Zion.
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Anyone have an answer for this question?
Or HOW DOES GOD WANT US TO KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY today?
Don't lie and say you keep Sabbath as they did in the Old testament, because most do NOT offer animal sacrifices. Therefore some changes have been made. Rather you want to be honest and admit it or not is your choice.
You can pick a fight. Or you could actually have a discussion.
I haven't the time or need to defend myself, God knows my heart and he know my life. However I will answer the question for myself.
Or HOW DOES GOD WANT US TO KEEP THE SABBATH HOLY today?
Don't lie and say you keep Sabbath as they did in the Old testament, because most do NOT offer animal sacrifices. Therefore some changes have been made. Rather you want to be honest and admit it or not is your choice.
You can pick a fight. Or you could actually have a discussion.
I haven't the time or need to defend myself, God knows my heart and he know my life. However I will answer the question for myself.
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:9, “He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name."
Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:31-34, “See, the days are coming,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Strength, and they shall be My people. And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif],’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]not like the covenant I made with their fathers”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-17, “Truly, then, if perfection were through the Lĕwitical priesthood – for under it the people were given the Torah – why was there still need for another priest to arise according to the order of Malkitseḏeq, and not be called according to the order of Aharon? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. Footnote: bFrom Malkitseḏeq to Aharon. For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the slaughter-place.c Footnote: cSee “Altar” in the Explanatory Notes. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood, and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq, who has become, not according to the torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]
Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Jeremiah 31:31-34, “See, the days are coming,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], “when I shall make a renewed covenant with the house of Yisra’ĕl and with the house of Yehuḏah, (Heb 8:8-12, Heb 10:16-17) not like the covenant I made with their fathers in the day when I strengthened their hand to bring them out of the land of Mitsrayim, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. For this is the covenant I shall make with the house of Yisra’ĕl after those days, declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]: I shall put My Torah in their inward parts, and write it on their hearts. And I shall be their Strength, and they shall be My people. And no longer shall they teach, each one his neighbor, and each one his brother, saying, ‘Know [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif],’ for they shall all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,” declares [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. “For I shall forgive their crookedness, and remember their sin no more.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]not like the covenant I made with their fathers”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Hebrews 7:11-17, “Truly, then, if perfection were through the Lĕwitical priesthood – for under it the people were given the Torah – why was there still need for another priest to arise according to the order of Malkitseḏeq, and not be called according to the order of Aharon? For the priesthood being changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. Footnote: bFrom Malkitseḏeq to Aharon. For He of whom this is said belongs to another tribe, from which no one had attended at the slaughter-place.c Footnote: cSee “Altar” in the Explanatory Notes. For it is perfectly clear that our Master arose from Yehuḏah, a tribe about which Mosheh never spoke of concerning priesthood, and this is clearer still, if another priest arises in the likeness of Malkitseḏeq, who has become, not according to the torah of fleshly command, but according to the power of an endless life, for He does witness, “You are a priest forever according to the order of Malkitseḏeq.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 5:18, "I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh; the smallest of the letters will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."
Revelation 21:1, "I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 22:37-40, "Yahshua said to him: You must love YHWH your Father with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your might. (Deut 6:5) This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Lev 19:18) On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets."[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Luke 16:16-17, "The Law and the Prophets were until John, since that time the Kingdom of YHWH is preached, and every man is pressed to enter it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one yodh of the Law to fail." [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…" [/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 111:5-9, “He has given food to those who fear Him; He remembers His covenant forever. He has shown His people the power of His works, To give to them the inheritance of the nations. The works of His hands are truth and right-ruling, All His orders are trustworthy, They are upheld forever and ever, Performed in truth and straightness. He sent redemption to His people, He has commanded His covenant forever. Set-apart and awesome is His Name.”
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]My covenant will stand fast with Him” and “My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Him” being Messiah Yahshua, the Covenant is not broken and replaced, but rather stands fast in firmness. For the Covenant made with Abraham is the same Covenant:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, “However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And those in Messiah are a part of the Covenant made with Abraham:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Covenant with Abraham is the same Covenant that was offered to Issac, Jacob and Israyl:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]My covenant will stand fast with Him” and “My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Him” being Messiah Yahshua, the Covenant is not broken and replaced, but rather stands fast in firmness. For the Covenant made with Abraham is the same Covenant:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Romans 9:6-8, “However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]And those in Messiah are a part of the Covenant made with Abraham:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Galatians 3:27-29, “For as many of you as were immersed into Messiah have put on Messiah. There is not Yehuḏi nor Greek, there is not slave nor free, there is not male and female, for you are all one in Messiah [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהושע[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]. And if you are of Messiah, then you are seed of Aḇraham, and heirs according to promise.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]The Covenant with Abraham is the same Covenant that was offered to Issac, Jacob and Israyl:[/FONT]
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”[/FONT]
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Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
Isaiah 24:1-6, "See, יהוה is making the earth empty and making it waste, and shall overturn its surface, and shall scatter abroad its inhabitants. 2 And it shall be – as with the people so with the priest, as with the servant so with his master, as with the female servant so with her mistress, as with the buyer so with the seller, as with the lender so with the borrower, as with the creditor so with the debtor; 3 the earth is completely emptied and utterly plundered, for יהוה has spoken this word. 4 The earth shall mourn and wither, the world shall languish and wither, the haughty people of the earth shall languish. 5 For the earth has been defiled under its inhabitants, because they have transgressed the Torah, changed the law, broken the everlasting covenant. 6 Therefore a curse shall consume the earth, and those who dwell in it be punished. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth shall be burned, and few men shall be left.”
Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
Matt 24:21-22, "For then will be great tribulation, such as has not come to pass since the beginning ofthe world to this time--no, nor ever will be. And unless those days were shortened, there would no flesh be saved; but for the elect's sake, those days will be shortened."
Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Malachi 4:1-6, “For look, the day shall come, burning like a furnace, and all the proud, and every wrongdoer shall be stubble. And the day that shall come shall burn them up,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts, “which leaves to them neither root nor branch. But to you who fear My Name the Sun of Righteousness shall arise with healing in His wings. And you shall go out and leap for joy like calves from the stall. And you shall trample the wrongdoers, for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet on the day that I do this,” said [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]of hosts. Remember the Torah of Mosheh, My servant, which I commanded him in Ḥorĕḇ for all Yisra’yl – laws and right-rulings. See, I am sending you Ěliyah the prophet before the coming of the great and awesome day of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif]יהוה[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman, serif], And he shall turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with utter destruction.”
[/FONT]Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Daniyl 7:25, "And he will speak great words against YHWH, and will wear out; mentally attack to cause to fall away, the saints of YHWH, and think to change times and Laws…"[/FONT]
Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken!"
[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him...."
Luke 24:25, "Then He said to them: ..."
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The scriptures we read in Exodus reveals that God established the Sabbath to test the Israelite people to see if they would obey. They were commanded not to gather manna from the fields, not to cook, or pick up sticks.
Do those scriptures apply today? Not really since we are not given manna. However if people want to cook twice as much on Friday and not cook again until Satuday, its acceptable. However it's also acceptable to cook and feed a homeless person or do other good works in the Sabbath.
I believe we should try and observe the Sabbath, because God told us to rest out of love. He tried and get people to see that they should trust Him,
So one thing I do try and do every week on Friday that I don't do every day is cook and clean so that I don't have to on Saturday. However, I am not legalistic about it. If my kids or husband gets sick and throws up all over the living room....I will clean that up and not wait til sunset on Saturday. I will probably even cook them some soup.
My point is just like the feast we have freedom in Christ, while those in the Old covenant did not. They did things out of fear of punishment.
Jesus calls his disciples friends because they understood God's plans for this world. Have you heard Jesus call you friend? God reveals His plan through scripture.
Do those scriptures apply today? Not really since we are not given manna. However if people want to cook twice as much on Friday and not cook again until Satuday, its acceptable. However it's also acceptable to cook and feed a homeless person or do other good works in the Sabbath.
I believe we should try and observe the Sabbath, because God told us to rest out of love. He tried and get people to see that they should trust Him,
So one thing I do try and do every week on Friday that I don't do every day is cook and clean so that I don't have to on Saturday. However, I am not legalistic about it. If my kids or husband gets sick and throws up all over the living room....I will clean that up and not wait til sunset on Saturday. I will probably even cook them some soup.
My point is just like the feast we have freedom in Christ, while those in the Old covenant did not. They did things out of fear of punishment.
Jesus calls his disciples friends because they understood God's plans for this world. Have you heard Jesus call you friend? God reveals His plan through scripture.
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