FROM THE DESK OF......
- Thread starter p_rehbein
- Start date
-
Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.
If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!
To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
E
I think the whole room can surmise a basic truth.
You do not read the posts you respond to. You just read in part. then go off and post nonsense because you do not comprehend the posts you are responding to.
ie, You think we are all out to get you. so you must defend yourself at all costs.
It is sad.. really sad.
I think you are out to muddy the waters as best you can. You have proven that over and over. I know everyone is not out to get me.......I also know that you and a couple of others are disputationists who will do all they can to go at anyone who dares to disagree with their ideology.
You continue to not accept what I have already said......I have maintained from the beginning that being obedient to Christ is what is important.........and that the Holy Spirit is who empowers us to do the "works" He has for us to do. You refuse to acknowledge that I have held this out from the beginning of this Thread. It does not serve your purpose to acknowledge what I have ACTUALLY stated, and not what you distort my comments to be......
You continue to not accept what I have already said......I have maintained from the beginning that being obedient to Christ is what is important.........and that the Holy Spirit is who empowers us to do the "works" He has for us to do. You refuse to acknowledge that I have held this out from the beginning of this Thread. It does not serve your purpose to acknowledge what I have ACTUALLY stated, and not what you distort my comments to be......
His point is, that I'm saying the exact same thing that you're saying. That Jesus is the rock.
Jesus IS our salvation. HE is the reason we can be secure in that. I have NEVER stated otherwise, and I challenge you to find one post where I have. When I said that not all houses that are built upon rocks are secure, I meant that literally. The ONLY rock that IS secure to build our houses on, is Jesus.
E
I told you I had the man on ignore. I did not ignore it. So once again You are proven a LIAR!!
for a man who preaches obedience, you shure have alot of sin to confess
and what causes us to do those things?
FAITH (you said it yourself) is it the obedience that gives us assurance? People who do not know God are obedient, Legalists are obedient, What kind of assurance does it give them.
You want to have assurance in your obedience, Feel free.
I will have my confidence in Christ, In the fact he GAVE ME ETERNAL LIFE, the fact he HE PERFECTED ME FOREVER, the fact he will SANCTIFY ME, and the he adopted me and made me his child.
Seek after the things of the spirit. and you wil not fulfill the list of the flesh.
Love the lord your God and your neighbor as yourself.
Is this not supposed to be OUR GOAL. OUR WALK, OR SANCTIFICATION.
OTHERS FOCUSED. why do you demand you need to focus on self (obedience) and how good you are?
You continue to have faith in obedience. The pharisee had faith in obedience, I guess that was what gave them assurance to crucify Christ because he destroyed their legalism??
For a person looking forward and focused on others (whcih is what that passage spoke of, and you are constantly producing fruit, Yes, That may give you confidence, But it is MORE THAN JUST THAT. )
oh and PS. I refuted your passages, and you have YET to prove me wrong, all you do is attack.. Well attacking a person is not going to convince them your right, You have to show them in their interpretation where they are wrong.
Well...in a sense, yes to your last sentence. God wants to change our thinking on many things and to judge rightly. If we are concerned with obeying Him and doing these outward things, but we are letting the heart matters go because other men can't see them, then we can feed a million hungry people and have done nothing.
I went to a friends church one day and the pastor asked if anyone had anything to say befor ethey got started with the service. One lady stood up and said her friend, so and so, had been in the hospital and no one had sent flowers. Another lady jumped up so fast I thought a bee had stung her. But what I was seeing was an ongoing bitterness. The one who jumped up, who was one of those in charge of sending flowers to the sick, went on (in some consternation) about how they could only afford to send flowers to those on the role. Those who were registered members.
Now the one lady was angry about her friend, who attended church sometimes, who she had submitted the name of, was not sent flowers. The other lady was angry that the first lady was hurt about this and brought it up before service.
The lady who is in charge of flowers to the sick, she is working, doing something for the church. Her anger (and you could see it all over her face and in her body language), but does God want that work from her and is that work of Him if she is murdering her sister?
And the lady who cares for a sick friend being shown love by flowers sent, does God care about her work when she is murdering her other sister in front of anyone?
So...does all their work matter? They're walking in their flesh and not in the Spirit and they have no idea they are murdering each other.
I went to a friends church one day and the pastor asked if anyone had anything to say befor ethey got started with the service. One lady stood up and said her friend, so and so, had been in the hospital and no one had sent flowers. Another lady jumped up so fast I thought a bee had stung her. But what I was seeing was an ongoing bitterness. The one who jumped up, who was one of those in charge of sending flowers to the sick, went on (in some consternation) about how they could only afford to send flowers to those on the role. Those who were registered members.
Now the one lady was angry about her friend, who attended church sometimes, who she had submitted the name of, was not sent flowers. The other lady was angry that the first lady was hurt about this and brought it up before service.
The lady who is in charge of flowers to the sick, she is working, doing something for the church. Her anger (and you could see it all over her face and in her body language), but does God want that work from her and is that work of Him if she is murdering her sister?
And the lady who cares for a sick friend being shown love by flowers sent, does God care about her work when she is murdering her other sister in front of anyone?
So...does all their work matter? They're walking in their flesh and not in the Spirit and they have no idea they are murdering each other.
Slight correction. My foundation IS in my salvation in Christ. Not was...
My foundation IS in my salvation in Christ. Not was...
Context of your response, was some one saying we are secure in christ. Not in our works.
Your response.
So she said our foundation was Christ not works
You responded by saying Jesus said our foundation is on the rock.
Then claimed her argument was with Christ not you.
You lost your own argument because you either did not read a word she said, Or as usual you just are so out to get people who are against you, You just can't stop.
If you were really saying Christ was the foundation, You would have AGREED WITH HER, not MOCKED her and said her argument is with God. *because that is exactly what she said, Her foundation was in SALVATION in CHRIST HER SAVIOR, not works.
No. You do not like me because I am not afraid to point out areas where you are mistaken, or not afraid to say I disagree with you.
Maybe one day you will see. (I say this sincerely)
Your response.
So she said our foundation was Christ not works
You responded by saying Jesus said our foundation is on the rock.
Then claimed her argument was with Christ not you.
You lost your own argument because you either did not read a word she said, Or as usual you just are so out to get people who are against you, You just can't stop.
If you were really saying Christ was the foundation, You would have AGREED WITH HER, not MOCKED her and said her argument is with God. *because that is exactly what she said, Her foundation was in SALVATION in CHRIST HER SAVIOR, not works.
No. You do not like me because I am not afraid to point out areas where you are mistaken, or not afraid to say I disagree with you.
Maybe one day you will see. (I say this sincerely)
E
Those who are saved DO THE WILL OF GOD
[SUP]4[/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.[SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
PS,, sinning is being DISOBEDIENT, Not living in sin is being OBEDIENT (did not want you to yell you were talking about obedience again without seeing my context.
[SUP]4[/SUP]Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. [SUP]5 [/SUP]And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous.[SUP]8 [/SUP]He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. [SUP]9 [/SUP]Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.
PS,, sinning is being DISOBEDIENT, Not living in sin is being OBEDIENT (did not want you to yell you were talking about obedience again without seeing my context.
And by the way, the pastor did not address this. He went on with his regularly scheduled sermon, which I recall had something to do with money and saving it.
That pastor should have been led by the Spirit and broke out into an impromptu teaching about murder that might prick their hearts by the Holy Spirit. But he just waited for both to sit and then went on as if nothing had happened. Is he helping those people??
That pastor should have been led by the Spirit and broke out into an impromptu teaching about murder that might prick their hearts by the Holy Spirit. But he just waited for both to sit and then went on as if nothing had happened. Is he helping those people??
This is a negative example. Are there no positive examples of such things?
And I still need to determine what priority to place on these things........IF they are not Gods will, but kinda like "optional." then why would anyone focus on them. I want to focus on doing Gods will.......not clutter things up with optional stuff. Jesus said the person who gets into Heaven is the person who does Gods will........THAT is what I want to focus on!
And I still need to determine what priority to place on these things........IF they are not Gods will, but kinda like "optional." then why would anyone focus on them. I want to focus on doing Gods will.......not clutter things up with optional stuff. Jesus said the person who gets into Heaven is the person who does Gods will........THAT is what I want to focus on!
E
No your a joke
SHE said her foundation was Jesus, Not works
You mocked her by telling her the foundation must be the rock.
this leavs us with two possibilities
1. Your context was works (which I assumed, if I was wrong you could have just said so instead of attacking me)
2. You never read what she said, And made an eronious post. whcih actually agreed with her, Yet you mocked her with it (your agrument is with Jesus was your words)
so which is it? Can you "Man up" as your apt to say?