Healing through the Son

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Looking at other people is not where the answers are.

If this is true then are these not people?
-- Joseph Prince.
-- Paul Ellis
-- Dan Mohler
-- Andy Wommack
-- Ryan Rufus
-- blogging from a one-named woman

Pretty much the problem. These are your bricks and mortar. The Bible verses you pitch come down to the same ole same ole -- "See I'm right."

If "Looking at other people is not where the answers are," then why is that all you ever do and all you ever give -- other people?

 

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“I have been asking God to heal me for years. I don’t understand why He hasn’t me. I guess it’s not God’s will for me to be healed.”

If you’ve been following this short series on prayer, I’m hoping you can spot at least two things wrong with these statements. First, it is always God’s will to heal the sick just as it is always His will to save the lost. Jesus died to save us and His atonement provides for our forgiveness, healing, deliverance and provision. Second, there’s no power in asking God to do something He’s already done. As we saw in Part 1, Jesus instructed us to “heal the sick,” not “ask God to heal the sick.” And as we saw in Part 2, Jesus wants us to speak directly to our mountains.

On my journey I have discovered that there is a huge difference between the traditional view of prayer and what the Bible teaches. We have already looked at six differences. Here is one more:

Traditional: Sometimes the answer is no
Biblical: God is faithful!

Some people will tell you that God hasn’t answered your prayers because you are not doing enough works. They’ll say you’re out of fellowship with Him or you haven’t pounded the gates of heaven or you haven’t confessed all of your sins. Others will try and manage your expectations with doctrine based on their experience rather than His word. Listen to these sorts of people and I guarantee it’ll neutralize your faith.

We need to rest in Jesus’ promise that whatever we ask in His name we shall receive (Jn 14:13, 16:24). “Ask me,” says Jesus, “and I will do it” (Jn 14:14). What is the key to doing the works and greater works of Jesus? It is simple faith in Jesus Christ (Jn 14:12). But sometimes we pray and there is no immediate manifestation. The sickness lingers. Does that mean God said no? Not according to Matthew 21:22 and John 16:24. Let God be true and every man a liar! God’s faithfulness is the one constant in the equation. He is the Rock on which we stand.

Daniel famously prayed two prayers that were both answered instantly. But the manifestation of one prayer took a few minutes, while the other took three weeks (Dan 9:23, 10:12). What was the variable? Not God! In Daniel’s case there was demonic resistance to the second prayer.

One reason why our problems sometimes linger is because the enemy is challenging our authority. He wants to see how serious we are. What should we do? Should we quit? Should we ask God to take over? No. Be encouraged. The devil will flee when we resist him and we do that by submitting to God and His rock-solid promises (Jas 4:7). That sword in your hand isn’t for decorative purposes. Use it! Here’s Andrew Wommack in his book A Better Way to Pray:

“When I minister healing to someone, I’ll pray for them two, three, four, or more times. I don’t care! I’m willing to pray for them until I rub all the hair off of their head! However, I’m not going back to God and saying, ‘Father, it didn’t work the first time. Let it work now, please!’ No! I believe it happened because God is faithful. He gave, but something’s wrong with our receiver. So I work on it. If the devil withstands one dose of the Holy Spirit, I’ll shoot him again! Just like Jesus did with the blind man of Bethsaida (Mark 8:22-26), I pray until I see the answer manifest. You need to get this attitude that God is faithful and He’s already met your need before you ever had it.” (p.125)

Understand that we’re not fighting to get the victory; we’re fighting to enforce the victory that Christ has already won. Satan and sickness were disarmed at the cross (Col 2:15). That’s why we’re called to stand rather than advance (Eph 6:13). We’re not taking ground, we’re holdingground that’s already ours through Christ. So stand firm and declare God’s word over your circumstances. Your tongue holds the power of life and death (Pro 18:21), so proclaim life and grace and health and freedom over your situation.


This taken from Paul Ellis and I agree with him. If I surround myself with unbelief I will not be "thinking on these things" We are told to hold to the truth. I'd encourage anyone who is not finding answers to think differently about what you have been taught about healing. Dare to step out in faith. I can only share what has been true for me and Jesus has healed me and IS healing me each day. And He will you too.

Once again, so much for "Looking at other people is not where the answers are."

You don't dare to step out in faith. You dare to step out in Paul Ellis!

 

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You were a professional football player? That's kind of impressive, apparently bad for the knees though.

I have had many episodes of anxiety as well in my life.

Personally, I don't believe that name & claim is scripturally sound because what is happening is a single or a few connected verses are claimed while ignoring the many supporting verses that provide context. You can have great faith that God will heal you but that healing may or may not happen in your lifetime.

My late wife suffered horribly from arthritis yet had a deep abiding faith that God would indeed heal her but only at the right time and place. She was ridiculed horribly by her family because they kept telling her that the reason she was not healed was because she had no faith which was entirely untrue.

Truly, they were the real sick ones for saying such cruel things to a sweet spiritual daughter of the Lord. God may heal their twisted hateful attitude but perhaps not in their lifetime.

Maybe they lack the deep abiding faith that my late wife had.

You are getting Bill is talking soccer (European football), right? I immediately put him in shoulder pads and a helmet, then had to redress him in a pullover and shorts, in dire need of a good laundry service, antiseptics, and bandages, not band-aids. (Band-aids = plasters, in case Bill has trouble understanding American.)

I bet he can still do things with that odd white ball, I never could do.

 

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And another thought to you guys. I'm not a spring chicken anymore and have to say it's never too late to learn. None of us have "arrived" on the 100% truth train of life. We all have a long way to go. Your experiences and mine are no more important than someone else's. Everyone has a different life lived up till now and is about always learning more about who Jesus is or staying put where we are in our limited understanding up till now.

For myself., I'm moving forward and learning more and more about who Jesus is and what this great salvation He gave us is all about. So if there is annoyance because I see this healing thing differently than most of you I can't help that. I'm learning to step out in faith and HE MEETS US THERE.

If we don't step out we can't see. Faith is about first stepping out and then seeing. We won't see until we dare to step out upon His Word and believe His love and provision is there.

We're not called to blind faith! We're called to the Lord. You've gone on to blind faith instead.

My experience is different. I asked the Lord one thing, and he gave it to me. ("Will you show yourself as real to me as that guy on the stage?")

Because he gave that to me, I asked him the next thing. ("Wow! Now what?") He gave me that.

I do not demand God give me what I want, and then call that faith. I ask what he wants from me. The faith has come in from years and years of him constantly giving me who he is. I do not have blind faith because God showed me him -- something much bigger than some actor on a stage. I have evidence-based faith, because God gives HIS evidence.

He does NOT give me three-wish-genie blind-faith New Age/WoF fake god.

And make no mistake. He HAS healed me at times. So you can't say I don't believe in miracles. Better yet, he has healed my husband many times, so every time I see him, every time I walk by his room and know he is sleeping, every time I know he's on the front porch reading his Bible, I know the evidence of God mounts. It is not blind. It is not me. It IS God!

And when that day comes that my husband dies, I will still have faith in the Lord, because the Lord has given me that.

Not some New Age preachers. The Lord.

And that is what you are missing. Faith is not blind! It is evidence-based, and all of it given by the Lord. Not something to pump up like a rah-rah Amway convention.

 

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You really have set that pedestal so very high. It is God who declares Himself as our provider, and so, to encourage others to seek Him is not all about self, but rather obedience to His word. Seek first the kingdom, yes? And all these things shall be added unto you. As much as you think so little of your fellow humans, God has set us as the apple of His eye.

Setting God on a high pedestal is bad? How little you think of him.

 

[Depleted]

I already mentioned this before. I don't believe the way you do about Paul's thorn in the flesh because Jesus never zapped anyone with sickness to teach lessons. If we want to know how God works today., we look to the Son through the Spirit.

If only you'd read the Book of Job. Because...this is a lie!

 

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It's either a lie or a serious misconception. There are many of great spiritual faith that may or not be healed in their lifetime but in a time of God's choosing for the ultimate benefit of those to be healed and the glory of God.

We have many misconceptions about the Lord. Do you know how we learn what some of them are? By praying, and studying and meditating on the Bible.

Know what happens if we don't do that? JoanieMarie!

We can't blame this on misconceptions anymore. She's been teaching this junk for years -- both with this user name and her last. It doesn't take years to read the Bible. In all this time we've known her, she is too busy posting heretic tidbits to study the Bible, and when any question is asked about the Bible verses she passes along like jimmies on a cupcake, she completely and utterly ignores them.

That's no longer misconception. That's a choice to walk with a fake god.

And, this usually isn't a problem on here, (other than we're supposed to love our enemies, and preach the gospel), but in her case, it is an active marketing technical to draw people away from the true God. I have yet to figure out why. (Does she get money for advertising these other sites? Unlikely, since she plagiarizes often. Or does she just not want a one-person god, so she can say she is not alone?) But this is not misconception, and it is as vile as Job's friends. This isn't spiritual faith. It's a lie!

 

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If a believer is always healed what will they die of?

I asked this of another person on BDF, and that person said that the body would just wear out and they would die, but it would not be from disease.

Is this what you believe for yourself?

IF, (and do understand I don't believe the concept for a nanosecond), a believer were always healed, they could always go out like the vast majority of apostles did -- violently for preaching the true gospel?

 

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The thread was started to not only talk about healing but all the other promises we have by faith.

In which case, you titled it poorly, and spent most of your post backing up the title.
[h=2]Re: Healing through the Son[/h]

 

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Since you haven't already looked at or read the many posts I already posted from my own opinions without any other cut and paste., I doubt you will see it now. I'm not trying to be credible to you since you already don't believe me for what I've ALREADY posted.

As far as Timothy and Epaphroditus I have no doubt they got ill just like we do today. And I have no doubt they learned how to trust the finished work of Jesus - Just like we need to do today. I also think it took time for them to learn -- Just like we need to do today. God had mercy on Epaphroditus and healed him just like He does today for us because of the blood of Christ and the righteousness given to him. Just like He does for us today.

I'm sure that the enemy probably caused these sicknesses as he did so many things in the early church when Paul was being pestered by "thorns" in his flesh - those people who were against Paul that the devil sent his way. But God told Paul - My grace is sufficient ... just like it is sufficient for us today.

Just as we were saved by grace through faith.,, that is how we live the victorious life... by grace through faith. Just like they did back then.

Try reading Acts. Your assumptions on these men of faith is clearly not biblical.

 

[Chester]

I for one will focus on spiritual healing and endeavoring to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to others.

If others wish to focus on physical healing, I am sad . . .

 

[BenFTW]

Setting God on a high pedestal is bad? How little you think of him.

It is not that you're setting God on a high pedestal, but rather there is a false sense of humility in your posts when you always say that others are all about "me" instead of God. It isn't their fault God has made promises that pertain to this life, and they wish to obtain them (that part, is their fault haha).

Seeking healing, wealth, and well-being are not bad endeavors, but they should accompany seeking first the Kingdom. Seeking the Lord's will in your life and walking in the good works He has prepared. God makes promises in these areas, and because He does, we may have faith. Without these promises we have a dwindling hope, but with them we are encouraged to persevere.

 

[Angela53510]

Reposted for clarification...

Do you have a clue what the word “clarification” means? No, not at all.

When you clarify something, or make a clarification, you restate it in different words, simplify it or make it easier to understand.

You say this all the time, but show an utter lack of understanding of the word “clarification.”

What you are doing is:


Reposting to repost.


Really, the height of laziness, to cut and paste a post that isn’t yours, then repost it over and over.

If you actually changed the post around, made it simplier or PUT IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS, then you could say you “reposted for clarification.”

Instead, you have just demonstrated your abysmal ignorance of a common English word. Is that why you can’t write your own posts? Because you don’t speak English well? Nah! I’m going with the cult follower, who doesn’t read the Bible or know what it says enough to speak for yourself.

Or for that matter, you don’t know enough to read the rebuttals many people have made of your false doctrines, explaining how and why everything you are saying is not from God, and is bad doctrine, damaging doctrine, and a lie from Satan.

 

[Cee]

I for one will focus on spiritual healing and endeavoring to take the gospel of Jesus Christ to others.

If others wish to focus on physical healing, I am sad . . .

Mark 2:5And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”6Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, 7“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 8And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?9Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’?10But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— 11“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.”

Just as Christ in the flesh revealed Himself through healing, He does so today. And to say that He isn't the same today, makes me sad. God cares about the whole thing: spirit, soul, and body. But gnostic thought has spread through the church thinking that if one focuses on the material, they must not care about the spiritual. And that's a lie. It all matters to God, we do ALL things unto Him.

In fact, in the OT God got upset when someone inquired of a doctor, before inquiring of Him. He is our all in all. Nothing against doctors, I love them, but I do believe God should be our first choice.

 

[BenFTW]

Do you have a clue what the word “clarification” means? No, not at all.

When you clarify something, or make a clarification, you restate it in different words, simplify it or make it easier to understand.

You say this all the time, but show an utter lack of understanding of the word “clarification.”

What you are doing is:


Reposting to repost.


Really, the height of laziness, to cut and paste a post that isn’t yours, then repost it over and over.

If you actually changed the post around, made it simplier or PUT IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS, then you could say you “reposted for clarification.”

Instead, you have just demonstrated your abysmal ignorance of a common English word. Is that why you can’t write your own posts? Because you don’t speak English well? Nah! I’m going with the cult follower, who doesn’t read the Bible or know what it says enough to speak for yourself.

Or for that matter, you don’t know enough to read the rebuttals many people have made of your false doctrines, explaining how and why everything you are saying is not from God, and is bad doctrine, damaging doctrine, and a lie from Satan.

Meekness. Just a suggestion or something you may want to ask the Lord about. Your post, right here, shows no level of compassion or love, it is sharp and cuts and does not mend. Why must you attempt to humiliate and denigrate? Joanie is your sister in Christ, a fellow believer in Jesus Christ. Not your punching bag.

 

[BenFTW]

Do you have a clue what the word “clarification” means? No, not at all.

When you clarify something, or make a clarification, you restate it in different words, simplify it or make it easier to understand.

You say this all the time, but show an utter lack of understanding of the word “clarification.”

What you are doing is:


Reposting to repost.


Really, the height of laziness, to cut and paste a post that isn’t yours, then repost it over and over.

If you actually changed the post around, made it simplier or PUT IT IN YOUR OWN WORDS, then you could say you “reposted for clarification.”

Instead, you have just demonstrated your abysmal ignorance of a common English word. Is that why you can’t write your own posts? Because you don’t speak English well? Nah! I’m going with the cult follower, who doesn’t read the Bible or know what it says enough to speak for yourself.

Or for that matter, you don’t know enough to read the rebuttals many people have made of your false doctrines, explaining how and why everything you are saying is not from God, and is bad doctrine, damaging doctrine, and a lie from Satan.

For the record, she is clarifying through the means of reiteration.

re·it·er·ate
rēˈidəˌrāt/
verb

• say something again or a number of times, typically for emphasis or clarity.
  "she reiterated that the administration would remain steadfast in its support"
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  [TD="class: lr_dct_nyms_ttl"]synonyms:[/TD]
  [TD]repeat, say again, restate, retell, recapitulate, go over (and over), rehearse"he reiterated his concerns"
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As you can clearly see, she is clarifying when she shares her previous posts in order to reiterate her points that so many veer off from through red-herrings. What is the thread about? Let me clarify by reiterating my points (hence quoting a previous post).

 

[UnderGrace]

Just as Christ in the flesh revealed Himself through healing, He does so today.

Just a question for you Cee....what exactly do you believe Christ primarily wanted to reveal about Himself through His healing during his time here on earth?

Mark 2:5And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”6Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts, 7“Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?” 8And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?9Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’?10But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic— 11“I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.”

Just as Christ in the flesh revealed Himself through healing, He does so today. And to say that He isn't the same today, makes me sad. God cares about the whole thing: spirit, soul, and body. But gnostic thought has spread through the church thinking that if one focuses on the material, they must not care about the spiritual. And that's a lie. It all matters to God, we do ALL things unto Him.

In fact, in the OT God got upset when someone inquired of a doctor, before inquiring of Him. He is our all in all. Nothing against doctors, I love them, but I do believe God should be our first choice.

 

[Cee]

Just a question for you Cee....what exactly do you believe Christ primarily wanted to reveal about Himself through His healing during his time here on earth?

In the Scripture I posted it shows Christ wanted to reveal He had authority on Earth to forgive sins. But I personally believe Christ reveals Himself through many names. We see some of His revealed Names though the OT, but He has also given us many new ones in the NT. And each time we discover a new name, it opens up a new relationship that we get to have with Him, as His branches.

 

[UnderGrace]

And each time we discover a new name, it opens up a new relationship that we get to have with Him, as His branches.

This, I do not understand?

In the Scripture I posted it shows Christ wanted to reveal He had authority on Earth to forgive sins. But I personally believe Christ reveals Himself through many names. We see some of His revealed Names though the OT, but He has also given us many new ones in the NT. And each time we discover a new name, it opens up a new relationship that we get to have with Him, as His branches.

 

[Cee]

"

And each time we discover a new name, it opens up a new relationship that we get to have with Him, as His branches."

This, I do not understand?

Let me explain further.

Here's a few NT examples:

When He says He is Father, we get to know Him as His Children.
When He says He is our Vine, we get to know Him as His branches.
When He says He is our Teacher, we get to know Him as His students.
When He says He is our Husband, we get to know Him as His Bride.
When He says He is our Elder Brother, we get to know Him as His brothers and sisters.
When He says He is our Friend, we get to know Him as a Friend.

In the OT we see the same thing.

As God reveals His name, He then says this is how I will deal with you from now on. This is a new relationship.

To Abraham He said, I am Jehovah Jireh (Provider), and then He explains what it looks like for Him to be Provider.

To Moses He said, I am the Lord, Abraham did not know me like this, but you will. And then He continually says what it means for Him to be Lord.

And since this thread is about healing, I'll deal specifically with this revelation of God's name.

Exodus 15:26 He said, "If you listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you." (Jehovah Rapha)

"He makes bitter things sweet."

​Now this isn't to say that God doesn't heal us through doctors, I am simply saying that He is to be our first and continual inquiry. And even more importantly it is HE who is our Healer, not ourselves, even though He does have different methods. Just as Jesus healed everyone differently each time. The focus is that He is our Jehovah Rapha, so that we can celebrate what He is doing.

He is our Jehovah Jireh, He is the One who provides for me. I celebrate when I am provided for because He is my Provider, I give freely to others because He gives freely to me.

Hopefully this clarifies what I meant by each name allows us to enter into a new relationship and understanding of Him.

As God reveals Himself, He comes closer and closer, continually inviting us into new levels of relationship. Until He is our ALL in ALL.