Healing through the Son

[joaniemarie]

This also reminds me of Psalm 91. Some will ask how come people don't see this to be true in their lives? Some Christians I've talked to about this don't believe it's true for us today because they see other Christians getting zapped by day and by night.

My reasoning has come through my own relationship with the Holy Spirit showing me Jesus. And so I cannot walk in someone else's shoes as a believer. I am only responsible to walk out my own salvation with seriousness of a transformed and renewed mind.

That transformation process is the individual Christian's responsibility before God. I totally believe Psalm 91 is for us and I stand on it each day by faith in the finished work of Jesus for me. Jesus met all the requirements for these promises and by grace through 'faith' I believe it for myself and that is my requirement in the new covenant.

He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the secret place of the Most High shall remain stable and fixed under the shadow of the Almighty [Whose power no foe can withstand].
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2 [/SUP]I will say of the Lord, He is my Refuge and my Fortress, my God; on Him I lean and rely, and in Him I [confidently] trust!
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3 [/SUP]For [then] He will deliver you from the snare of the fowler and from the deadly pestilence.
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4 [/SUP][Then] He will cover you with His pinions, and under His wings shall you trust and find refuge; His truth and His faithfulness are a shield and a buckler.
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5 [/SUP]You shall not be afraid of the terror of the night, nor of the arrow (the evil plots and slanders of the wicked) that flies by day,
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6 [/SUP]Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness, nor of the destruction and sudden death that surprise and lay waste at noonday.
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7 [/SUP]A thousand may fall at your side, and ten thousand at your right hand, but it shall not come near you.
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8 [/SUP]Only a spectator shall you be [yourself inaccessible in the secret place of the Most High] as you witness the reward of the wicked.
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9 [/SUP]Because you have made the Lord your refuge, and the Most High your dwelling place,
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10 [/SUP]There shall no evil befall you, nor any plague or calamity come near your tent.
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11 [/SUP]For He will give His angels [especial] charge over you to accompany and defend and preserve you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
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12 [/SUP]They shall bear you up on their hands, lest you dash your foot against a stone.
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13 [/SUP]You shall tread upon the lion and adder; the young lion and the serpent shall you trample underfoot.
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14 [/SUP]Because he has set his love upon Me, therefore will I deliver him; I will set him on high, because he knows and understands My name [has a personal knowledge of My mercy, love, and kindness—trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never forsake him, no, never].
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15 [/SUP]He shall call upon Me, and I will answer him; I will be with him in trouble, I will deliver him and honor him.
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16 [/SUP]With long life will I satisfy him and show him My salvation.
[h=4]Footnotes:[/h]

1. Psalm 91:1 The rich promises of this whole chapter are dependent upon one’s meeting exactly the conditions of these first two verses (see Exod. 15:26).

 

[BenFTW]

You see this vase with dandelions in it.

And constantly focus on the dandelions in it.

God's people are the dandelions, but we're excited he's chosen us for the beauty that is his nature, not our nature.

There is no hope in your gospel. It's weed-centered.

And you too might want to read Acts, because you talk about healing, wealth and well-being, while the apostles gave up all of those for "the vase." Paul was even warned by a prophet about what he would face in Jerusalem. A true prophet. He went anyway because the Lord is worth more.

How high you think of yourself. And how low is your god. God did promise something to those who would not trust him -- eternal damnation! Is that on your "You owe me, God" list of promises too?

How do you translate "God is faithful" to "God, you owe me" silliness? If God said it, that shall He do. He is not a liar. It isn't a matter of God owing anyone, it is a matter of God being faithful to carry out that which He promises and wills to do. Our part is to believe.

 

[BenFTW]

No one has stated in here that He never heals anymore. No one has ever stated it. That's not what the debate is about. In fact, it's the exact opposite of that that's being debated - people who say He ALWAYS physically heals people if you have enough trust.

That isn't even the debate either. It is determining the will of God in relation to healing today. If people don't believe that it is God's will to heal them, how can they even begin to have faith to be healed? The reason faith becomes active is because it comprehends the will of God, it has something to take grasp of. If we are unsure of God's will on healing, we are left in doubt and then our faith is not steadfast but rather a hope. Hope is better than nothing, but it isn't faith, it relies on God's present mercy (and He is merciful).

We seek healing, but are asking for something that He has already freely given through the Son. It is yours! Believe. Yet also we must keep in mind that faith without works is dead. God makes promises but are we taking the leap out of the boat? Are we walking in the direction of these promises? Are we walking in accordance with His known will, seeking first the Kingdom? As much as teachers like to make doctrines of comfort, we must realize the importance of self-responsibility.

 

[Nehemiah6]

It is yours! Believe.

So Ben, since you believe, can you honestly testify that you have never ever had a single health or disability issue since you were saved, and you are in perfect physical condition? How come you're wearing glasses since perfect eyesight should have also been included?

 

[joaniemarie]

No one has said here that if you are sick you don't have enough faith.... If you have tribulation you don't have enough faith., if you can't pay the bills you don't have enough faith., if you are dealing with depression you don't have enough faith., if you are not sure how to proceed in life choices you don't have enough faith. I don't agree with those who do say this because these are things we all to some degree deal with each day.

I believe we are learning to walk in the truth and the promises Jesus paid for us to have and it takes TIME to walk it out by faith each day. None of us have arrived 100% But I see there are things to learn to access by faith each day. And each day by faith the Bible says we are to prove what is that GOOD and ACCEPTABLE and PERFECT WILL OF GOD.

It takes time for us to grow in that each day. Each day we are supposed to be being transformed by the renewing of our minds so that we each INDIVIDUALLY in the power of the Holy Spirit prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God. Romans 12:2
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2 [/SUP]Do not be conformed to this world (this age), [fashioned after and adapted to its external, superficial customs], but be transformed (changed) by the [entire] renewal of your mind [by its new ideals and its new attitude], so that you may prove [for yourselves] what is the good and acceptable and perfect will of God, even the thing which is good and acceptable and perfect [in His sight for you].

Ben.,, It can be annoying when the same people don't read what is posted already... but instead read INTO what is posted. And then when you re post and re clarify... they get angry. Can't win for trying.

No one said we are in perfect health here. We are creatures of time and "thus" we learn how; IN TIME. But no matter how much this is said it takes more TIME than usual for those who insist on reading into what someone is saying and not reading WHAT a person is saying. (unless of course they agree with you) Than the blinders are off!! LOL


I wear reading glasses too! Must mean I'm not saved?

 

[Chester]

A few key Biblical reasons I do not believe that it is God's will to physically heal everyone:

(1) God's deepest heart and passion is for our spiritual health, not physical health

(2) Paul tells Timothy: "Use a little wine for the sake of your stomach and frequent ailments " - I Tim. 5:23. Why didn't Paul tell Timothy it was God's will to heal him, or that he lacks faith for healing?

(3) Consistent faith healing doctrine leads to the conclusion that a faithful believer will not die. This is directly opposed to Scripture and what we all know!

(4) In Gal 4:112-14 the word "asthenia" is used to describe Paul's thorn in the flesh. This word clearly means a physical weakness, lack of strength. It is the same word as James uses in 5:14: when a person is sick he is to ask for an anointing with oil. Paul prayed three times that this physical weakness/condition would be removed - God did not take it away because in weakness we are made strong.

(5) The healing in the atonement movement is primarily a teaching and phenomenon found only in rich Western countries. It just does not work for the persecuted church in China, and in poor countries like Haiti and Liberia

(6) Time and time again in Scripture we read of saints who were sick:

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II Kings 13:14 - Elisha
II Timothy 4:20 - Trophimus
Daniel 8:27 - Daniel

Only a beginning of reasons why I reject the idea that it is God's will to heal everyone and all you need is enough faith.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

That isn't even the debate either. It is determining the will of God in relation to healing today. If people don't believe that it is God's will to heal them, how can they even begin to have faith to be healed? The reason faith becomes active is because it comprehends the will of God, it has something to take grasp of. If we are unsure of God's will on healing, we are left in doubt and then our faith is not steadfast but rather a hope. Hope is better than nothing, but it isn't faith, it relies on God's present mercy (and He is merciful).

We seek healing, but are asking for something that He has already freely given through the Son. It is yours! Believe. Yet also we must keep in mind that faith without works is dead. God makes promises but are we taking the leap out of the boat? Are we walking in the direction of these promises? Are we walking in accordance with His known will, seeking first the Kingdom? As much as teachers like to make doctrines of comfort, we must realize the importance of self-responsibility.

To not be certain if God will heal someone is not to doubt God! THIS is the whole debate.
Gosh sakes...

 

[UnderGrace]

But then if healing is in the atonement, and accessed by sound faith in the will of God to be healed, why does the body even deteriorate?

At the end of life we all succumb to some disease, the body does not just deteriorate slowly it is largely a myth that people die of old age they die of an illness that they were to frail to fend off, it seems that this belief almost promotes some type of immortality?

I do agree only to a very limited extent that sin affects our bodies, scripture tells us this, and as believers we are set free from the bondage of sin, so we hopefully sin less as we mature in Christ, which in turn can protect from the hazards of a sinful lifestyle and the ill health it brings.

I have had others tell me they will not die of disease...are you of this thinking as well?

That isn't even the debate either. It is determining the will of God in relation to healing today. If people don't believe that it is God's will to heal them, how can they even begin to have faith to be healed? The reason faith becomes active is because it comprehends the will of God, it has something to take grasp of. If we are unsure of God's will on healing, we are left in doubt and then our faith is not steadfast but rather a hope. Hope is better than nothing, but it isn't faith, it relies on God's present mercy (and He is merciful).

We seek healing, but are asking for something that He has already freely given through the Son. It is yours! Believe. Yet also we must keep in mind that faith without works is dead. God makes promises but are we taking the leap out of the boat? Are we walking in the direction of these promises? Are we walking in accordance with His known will, seeking first the Kingdom? As much as teachers like to make doctrines of comfort, we must realize the importance of self-responsibility.

 

[Bladerunner]

Life doesn't define the person and will of God the Father... Jesus the Son does. Excellent video not only about healing but about all other things we need to know about God. It is about seeing Jesus.

Sounds like charismatic preaching...."the Other Gospel"

 

[Cee]

Man-made God? You’re incredibly rude. I didn’t ignore anything.

And Paul actually asked to be sent to Caesar. Or else they would have let him go.

Feel free to read it yourself.

The part you ignore to preach your man-made God.

Act 21:8-14 On the next day we departed and came to Caesarea, and we entered the house of Philip the evangelist, who was one of the seven, and stayed with him. He had four unmarried daughters, who prophesied.

While we were staying for many days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. And coming to us, he took Paul's belt and bound his own feet and hands and said, "Thus says the Holy Spirit, 'This is how the Jews at Jerusalem will bind the man who owns this belt and deliver him into the hands of the Gentiles.'"

When we heard this, we and the people there urged him not to go up to Jerusalem.

Then Paul answered, "What are you doing, weeping and breaking my heart? For I am ready not only to be imprisoned but even to die in Jerusalem for the name of the Lord Jesus." And since he would not be persuaded, we ceased and said, "Let the will of the Lord be done."

 

[Bladerunner]

Man-made God? You’re incredibly rude. I didn’t ignore anything.

And Paul actually asked to be sent to Caesar. Or else they would have let him go.

Feel free to read it yourself.

I just don't understand you people..... When a man exercises His Free Will you complain and complain if it is said He has no FREE WILL. Just don't understand......

 

[BenFTW]

To not be certain if God will heal someone is not to doubt God! THIS is the whole debate.
Gosh sakes...

I give you the keys to a Corvette. Then when you need to go somewhere you ask me for the keys to the Corvette. My response, "I already gave you the keys." Every time you need to go somewhere, travel, you come to me and ask, "Can you give me the keys?" My response? "I gave you the keys." So it is with healing.

We have the keys, we have His promises and His response is to "believe." We keep asking for that which He has already provided through His Son, our savior Jesus Christ. Whether that be healing, forgiveness, or all things pertaining to life and godliness. He has provided it. Christ purchased it. It is ours, by grace through faith.

 

[joaniemarie]

If a believer is always healed what will they die of?

I asked this of another person on BDF, and that person said that the body would just wear out and they would die, but it would not be from disease.

Is this what you believe for yourself?

Is it God's will that we be transformed "daily" into the image of His Dear Son? If it doesn't happen in one moment... does it mean that verse is not meant for us today? I believe for sure these bodies will wear out and we will get our new bodies that will never get tired or sick or moody or tempted. Just a thought... Moses was not even in the new covenant but he walked in health and his eye was not dim. And Sarah and Moses had a baby because God supernaturally gave them youthful working bodies.

Time is what we are locked into while living in these bodies but like Jesus who had the Holy Spirit to empower Him., we have the Holy Spirit to empower us... as we walk in our new born again creation. Jesus was the FIRST of many brethren... Our flesh is still here but we are not to be mastered by it. Jesus defeated the power of sin but not the presence of sin for us.

Jesus walked in perfect health and obedience because He submitted to God PERFECTLY. We are daily to be learning to walk in the Spirit like He did so we are not controlled by the flesh we were born into before we got saved. Jesus was without sin but He was the first one of "us" humans to follow God perfectly... unlike Adam. Jesus is called the last Adam....

In Christ and in this "new born again spirit man" we have access to the supernatural. And in many areas such as Gal. 5:13-26 tells us believers.

This can't be understood by the flesh nor can it be done by and through our flesh. It be done through the Spirit. Already posted this. Will post again. helps me to keep reading it and thinking on these verses. But let me add too that we are to be daily learning how to walk IN the Spirit and it takes TIME TIME TIME. Because we are in this body IN TIME AND SPACE. Many believers have learned to submit to the HolySpirit without being mastered by the things they used to be mastered by but this took time....

[SUP]3 [/SUP]For you, brethren, were [indeed] called to freedom; only [do not let your] freedom be an incentive to your flesh and an opportunity or excuse [for [SUP][a][/SUP]selfishness], but through love you should serve one another.
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14 [/SUP]For the whole Law [concerning human relationships] is [SUP][b][/SUP]complied with in the one precept, You shall love your neighbor as [you do] yourself.
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15 [/SUP]But if you bite and devour one another [in partisan strife], be careful that you [and your whole fellowship] are not consumed by one another.
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16 [/SUP]But I say, walk and live [habitually] in the [Holy] Spirit [responsive to and controlled and guided by the Spirit]; then you will certainly not gratify the cravings and desires of the flesh (of human nature without God).
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17 [/SUP]For the desires of the flesh are opposed to the [Holy] Spirit, and the [desires of the] Spirit are opposed to the flesh (godless human nature); for these are antagonistic to each other [continually withstanding and in conflict with each other], so that you are not free but are prevented from doing what you desire to do.
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18 [/SUP]But if you are guided (led) by the [Holy] Spirit, you are not subject to the Law.
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19 [/SUP]Now the doings (practices) of the flesh are clear (obvious): they are immorality, impurity, indecency,
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20 [/SUP]Idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger (ill temper), selfishness, divisions (dissensions), party spirit (factions, sects with peculiar opinions, heresies),
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21 [/SUP]Envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you beforehand, just as I did previously, that those who do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
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22 [/SUP]But the fruit of the [Holy] Spirit [the work which His presence within accomplishes] is love, joy (gladness), peace, patience (an even temper, forbearance), kindness, goodness (benevolence), faithfulness,
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23 [/SUP]Gentleness (meekness, humility), self-control (self-restraint, continence). Against such things there is no law [[SUP][c][/SUP]that can bring a charge].
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24 [/SUP]And those who belong to Christ Jesus (the Messiah) have crucified the flesh (the godless human nature) with its passions and appetites and desires.
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25 [/SUP]If we live by the [Holy] Spirit, let us also walk by the Spirit. [If by the Holy Spirit [SUP][d][/SUP]we have our life in God, let us go forward [SUP][e][/SUP]walking in line, our conduct controlled by the Spirit.]
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26 [/SUP]Let us not become vainglorious and self-conceited, competitive and challenging and provoking and irritating to one another, envying and being jealous of one another.

 

[UnderGrace]

Thank you for explaining what you meant, I do not really compartmentalize my relationship with God/Jesus in this way, He was All and All right from the start..something to think about though.

Let me explain further.

Here's a few NT examples:

When He says He is Father, we get to know Him as His Children.
When He says He is our Vine, we get to know Him as His branches.
When He says He is our Teacher, we get to know Him as His students.
When He says He is our Husband, we get to know Him as His Bride.
When He says He is our Elder Brother, we get to know Him as His brothers and sisters.
When He says He is our Friend, we get to know Him as a Friend.

In the OT we see the same thing.

As God reveals His name, He then says this is how I will deal with you from now on. This is a new relationship.

To Abraham He said, I am Jehovah Jireh (Provider), and then He explains what it looks like for Him to be Provider.

To Moses He said, I am the Lord, Abraham did not know me like this, but you will. And then He continually says what it means for Him to be Lord.

And since this thread is about healing, I'll deal specifically with this revelation of God's name.

Exodus 15:26 He said, "If you listen carefully to the LORD your God and do what is right in his eyes, if you pay attention to his commands and keep all his decrees, I will not bring on you any of the diseases I brought on the Egyptians, for I am the LORD, who heals you." (Jehovah Rapha)

"He makes bitter things sweet."

​Now this isn't to say that God doesn't heal us through doctors, I am simply saying that He is to be our first and continual inquiry. And even more importantly it is HE who is our Healer, not ourselves, even though He does have different methods. Just as Jesus healed everyone differently each time. The focus is that He is our Jehovah Rapha, so that we can celebrate what He is doing.

He is our Jehovah Jireh, He is the One who provides for me. I celebrate when I am provided for because He is my Provider, I give freely to others because He gives freely to me.

Hopefully this clarifies what I meant by each name allows us to enter into a new relationship and understanding of Him.

As God reveals Himself, He comes closer and closer, continually inviting us into new levels of relationship. Until He is our ALL in ALL.

 

[Angela53510]

Ben.,, It can be annoying when the same people don't read what is posted already... but instead read INTO what is posted. And then when you re post and re clarify... they get angry. Can't win for trying.

No one said we are in perfect health here. We are creatures of time and "thus" we learn how; IN TIME. But no matter how much this is said it takes more TIME than usual for those who insist on reading into what someone is saying and not reading WHAT a person is saying. (unless of course they agree with you) Than the blinders are off!! LOL


I wear reading glasses too! Must mean I'm not saved?

Well, well! I must be walking more in the Spirit than you people.

I don’t wear reading glasses at age 64, probably will never have to. I also had to wear distance glasses from the time I was 10 years old, each year getting stronger and stronger.

I guess God heard my unspoken prayer request and is “manifesting” healing. Because I used to have 4.5 lenses in my glasses and now I have 2.0. Weaker and weaker lenses, better and better vision. (Love this “manifesting” thing - a rationalization why most people weren’t instantly healed in the Word Faith world. Instead of just accepting that healing is not part of the atonement!)

So glad I am walking in the Spirit, and God is manifesting this healing in my life. Joanie, you need to stop walking in the flesh, and maybe you will get your healing sooner, rather than waiting for Jesus to come again.

PS. Know1 definitely told me I was not saved, because I was not healed of RA. He said I was full of unbelief. Too bad, because my understanding that Jesus dying on the cross for my sin, has never been stronger. I was pretty sure that is what Romans 10:9-10 said was the way to be saved.

“because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.” Romans 10:9-10

I hope there are no sore feelings here, for being told you are walking in the flesh, because you wear reading glasses. Just a bit of the torture you Word Faith people have put me through with your bad exegesis and doctrine. Oh wait, ignoring Word Faith doctrine only counts when you are not healed, not when I am healed!

 

[joaniemarie]

I give you the keys to a Corvette. Then when you need to go somewhere you ask me for the keys to the Corvette. My response, "I already gave you the keys." Every time you need to go somewhere, travel, you come to me and ask, "Can you give me the keys?" My response? "I gave you the keys." So it is with healing.

We have the keys, we have His promises and His response is to "believe." We keep asking for that which He has already provided through His Son, our savior Jesus Christ. Whether that be healing, forgiveness, or all things pertaining to life and godliness. He has provided it. Christ purchased it. It is ours, by grace through faith.

Yes., and for sure it doesn't always feel in my flesh like I got those keys all the time and I often don't see those keys all the time. But because He says He gave them to me I am learning to find them each day as I walk into and out of situations that used to totally defeat and derail me. I survive and even thrive. PRAISE THE LORD!!!

 

[BenFTW]

So Ben, since you believe, can you honestly testify that you have never ever had a single health or disability issue since you were saved, and you are in perfect physical condition? How come you're wearing glasses since perfect eyesight should have also been included?

An evangelist goes to preach the Gospel to a tribe. In approaching the village there stands between him and the village a river. The evangelist seeing the lost on the other side is emboldened, and steps out on to the water and stays afloat. He crosses and does not sink. He then proceeds to preach the Gospel to the lost and many are saved. Finally, it is time for departure.

Time goes by, months, and he decides to check up on these new converts. He returns to the village. Once again he sees the river and the tribe on the other side. This time, however, he looks up and down the river and notices a bridge has been built. He walks over to the bridge, crosses over the river, and goes into the village. New converts approach the evangelist, almost saddened, and ask, "Why sir, have you not walked across the river again?" He replies, "A bridge has been built."

I or any believer very well could ask the Lord to heal our eyes, but we have accepted glasses as a means of solving our problem. A natural solution, instead of a supernatural one. Like the bridge my glasses are a natural method of fixing a problem, my eyesight. It is not that God doesn't have available to me perfect eyes with 20/20 vision, it is that I have grown accustomed to glasses having worn them since I was a child.

God's promises require faith, and action, for faith without works is dead. I am not seeking 20/20 vision from the Lord at this time, and for that reason I do not have it. I am not believing for it, have faith towards that end, or anything of the like. I previously have been content with glasses, but if I ever wish to forsake glasses or they do not serve me, I very well could pursue healing in this area with an active faith.

God has spoken to me personally of things He has promised to me, and His response was plain, for many it might be insulting. He said, "Believe."

 

[1ofthem]

I am praying that some of ya'll WoF don't get really sick and don't get healed. Because what will you say and do then? Will you still praise God or will you resent him for not healing you? Just asking...

 

[joaniemarie]

Well, well! I must be walking more in the Spirit than you people.

I don’t wear reading glasses at age 64, probably will never have to. I also had to wear distance glasses from the time I was 10 years old, each year getting stronger and stronger.

I guess God heard my unspoken prayer request and is “manifesting” healing. Because I used to have 4.5 lenses in my glasses and now I have 2.0. Weaker and weaker lenses, better and better vision. (Love this “manifesting” thing - a rationalization why most people weren’t instantly healed in the Word Faith world. Instead of just accepting that healing is not part of the atonement!)

So glad I am walking in the Spirit, and God is manifesting this healing in my life. Joanie, you need to stop walking in the flesh, and maybe you will get your healing sooner, rather than waiting for Jesus to come again.

PS. Know1 definitely told me I was not saved, because I was not healed of RA. He said I was full of unbelief. Too bad, because my understanding that Jesus dying on the cross for my sin, has never been stronger. I was pretty sure that is what Romans 10:9-10 said was the way to be saved.

“because if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes and thus has righteousness and with the mouth one confesses and thus has salvation.” Romans 10:9-10

I hope there are no sore feelings here, for being told you are walking in the flesh, because you wear reading glasses. Just a bit of the torture you Word Faith people have put me through with your bad exegesis and doctrine. Oh wait, ignoring Word Faith doctrine only counts when you are not healed, not when I am healed!

No sore feelings Angela. I'm glad that you have good eye sight because it's a pain having to need glasses to read small writing. But I believe these things take time. Time and more time to learn and I'm in for the long haul.

 

[Angela53510]

I give you the keys to a Corvette. Then when you need to go somewhere you ask me for the keys to the Corvette. My response, "I already gave you the keys." Every time you need to go somewhere, travel, you come to me and ask, "Can you give me the keys?" My response? "I gave you the keys." So it is with healing.

We have the keys, we have His promises and His response is to "believe." We keep asking for that which He has already provided through His Son, our savior Jesus Christ. Whether that be healing, forgiveness, or all things pertaining to life and godliness. He has provided it. Christ purchased it. It is ours, by grace through faith.

Again, so “ME” centered! Healing is about God’s will, not guaranteed in the atonement. (You might have missed those discussions, I can repost them if you want to discuss the basic fallacy of the entire foundation of the Word Faith movement.)

No, we do not have the keys to God’s corvette, Jesus has them. Christ purchased our healing for sin sickness. For anyone whom he calls, and they believe. He did not purchase healing for physical illness. Although when it is God’s will, he can and will heal us.,

But nothing to do with this man-centered “me” gospel. All about God, instead!