"Apply The Cross To The Problem"

[7seasrekeyed]

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.

1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

So, both the preaching of Christ crucified and the cross is the power of God.

I covered that already.

try to keep up

the power isn't the cross...maybe study up on what the cross actually stood for...for one thing, scripture states that the one that hangs on a tree (cross) is accursed...so if some folks want to continually consider the cross, they might consider that also

if we look at I Corinthians 1:18, we find the power is not the cross; the power is actually ascribed to God...not the cross


the cross is the instrument used by God to display HIS power in the resurrection of Jesus.

Jesus became a curse for us...we are no longer cut off from God (speaking of believers)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

you cannot consistently preach only the cross. what about the resurrection?

Paul went on and had a lot more to say...he did not stay in a time loupe reliving that one verse (and remember verses have been added)

Jesus is risen and He is the way.

 

[Dino246]

I covered that already.

try to keep up

the power isn't the cross...maybe study up on what the cross actually stood for...for one thing, scripture states that the one that hangs on a tree (cross) is accursed...so if some folks want to continually consider the cross, they might consider that also

if we look at I Corinthians 1:18, we find the power is not the cross; the power is actually ascribed to God...not the cross


the cross is the instrument used by God to display HIS power in the resurrection of Jesus.

Jesus became a curse for us...we are no longer cut off from God (speaking of believers)

Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
John 14:6

you cannot consistently preach only the cross. what about the resurrection?

Paul went on and had a lot more to say...he did not stay in a time loupe reliving that one verse (and remember verses have been added)

Jesus is risen and He is the way.

Agreed. The "cross" is simply a metaphor for "the sacrificial suffering and substitutionary death of Jesus Christ".

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Jesus Explains the Purpose of Speaking in Parables

Matthew 13:10-14

10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him (seems to pertain to a later time when they were alone), Why do you speak to them in Parables? (This portrays consternation on their part!)
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11 He answered and said unto them (concerns the Lord's method of dealing with two different classes of people, those who really wanted to know God's way and those who were merely curious), Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given (two categories are here presented; in which category are you?).
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12 For whosoever has (and wants more), to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance (if one wills Righteousness, the Lord wills more Righteousness to them): but whosoever has not (no interest for more), from him shall be taken away even that he has (he not only loses what he could have had, but even that which he has; to those who accept the Cross, they will have even more, and to those who reject the Cross, they will lose everything, even that which they previously had).​

13 Therefore speak I to them in Parables (in order to separate those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness from those who don't): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand (that is, they do not wish to see or hear or understand; and hence by a just judgment they lose this triple moral ability).
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14 And in them (those who reject the Cross [1 Cor. 1:23]) is fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive (a willing deafness, a willful blindness, and a willful dullness; this Passage is quoted in one form or the other some seven times in the New Testament [Mat. 13:14-15; Mk. 4:12; LK. 8:10; Jn. 12:39-40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8]):
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JSM​

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

Philippians 3:17-21 King James Version (KJV)

ENEMIES OF THE CROSS

[SUP]17 [/SUP]Brethren, be followers together of me (be "Fellow-imitators"), and mark them which walk so as you have us for an ensample (observe intently).

[SUP]18[/SUP](For many walk (speaks of those attempting to live for God outside of the victory and rudiments of the Cross of Christ), of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping (this is a most serious matter), that they are the enemies of the cross of Christ (those who do not look exclusively to the Cross of Christ must be labeled "enemies"):

[SUP]19[/SUP]Whose end is destruction (if the Cross is ignored, and continues to be ignored, the loss of the soul is the only ultimate conclusion), whose God is their belly (refers to those who attempt to pervert the Gospel for their own personal gain), and whose glory is in their shame (the material things they seek, God labels as "shame"), who mind earthly things.) (This means they have no interest in Heavenly things, which signifies they are using the Lord for their own personal gain.)

[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our conversation (citizenship) is in Heaven (meaning the other ways will have no place in Heaven); from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ (the Rapture):

[SUP]21 [/SUP]Who (the Lord) shall change our vile body (the Resurrection), that it may be fashioned like unto his Glorious body (every Saint will have a Glorified Body), according to the working whereby He is able even to subdue all things unto Himself. ("All things" are done through the Cross.)

JSM
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[reneweddaybyday]

MessageOfTheCross - in your Post #24 wherein you quoted Philippians 3:17-21, you completely ignored Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


There is more to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ than His crucifixion.


In agreement that we must know the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death (the cross).


Not so sure that you agree we must also know the power of His resurrection.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

MessageOfTheCross - in your Post #24 wherein you quoted Philippians 3:17-21, you completely ignored Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


There is more to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ than His crucifixion.


In agreement that we must know the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death (the cross).


Not so sure that you agree we must also know the power of His resurrection.

The Power was actually manifested in the Resurrection of Christ.

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The conscience of the worshipper is a reflection of the value of the Offering. If the Offering is properly understood and faith there properly placed, the conscience is perfected; if the Offering is not properly understood, which means that faith is improperly placed, the conscience will be imperfect as well.

The question is, "How much value do we place on the Offering of Christ?" Do we feel that the Cross is the answer to every question, the solution to every problem, the strength for every weakness, the life for every death, the salvation for every sin, and the health for every sickness? How you as a Believer look at the Cross, is how you value the Cross. This is very, very serious, so we should think about it very carefully.

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​For one to receive the proper benefits of the Cross, in other words that for which Jesus died, one must understand its proper value, and at the same time, properly understand its value.

JSM

 

[Dino246]

MessageoftheCross, let me ask you a simple question...

Are you capable of having a conversation on this subject without invoking, quoting, or otherwise referencing "JSM"?

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

The Cross of Christ is as necessary for sanctification as it is for salvation (1 Cor. 1:18).

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As far as trying to do something as it concerns taking up the Cross daily, we are to do nothing. In fact, it was already done at Calvary some two thousand years ago. On a daily basis, we should reinforce our Faith in Christ and what He has done for us at the Cross (Rom. 8:2, Gal. 2:20-21, Col. 2:1o-15).

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When Cain and Abel brought their sacrifice to God, God didn't look at them, He only looked at the sacrifice. And the same thing holds true to this present time. When a Believer sin God sees Jesus because we are in Him and justified by simple Faith in Christ and what Christ did at the Cross. In Cain's eyes, his sacrifice was "good." This is why many times a Believer must repent not only for the bad, but also for the good they do because it is "good" from the "tree of the knowledge of good and evil." The Apostle Paul tells us that the good he thought he was doing deceived him (Romans 7:11). If it not Faith in Christ and the Cross it is dead works which God rejects. A sacrifice God will not accept.

Is redemption centered up in the Cross of Christ or the Resurrection of Christ?

Answer:

Redemption is centered up totally in the Cross of Christ. While everything else after the Cross, the Resurrection, Ascension, and Exaltation of Christ, played a tremendous part, and continues to play a tremendous part, the truth is, all of this is made possible, the Resurrection, Ascension and Exaltation of Christ, because of the Cross.

Victory = The Cross of Christ, i.e., The Blood of Jesus, i.e., The Finished Work

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Agreed. The "cross" is simply a metaphor for "the sacrificial suffering and substitutionary death of Jesus Christ".

And Christ carried that cross all of his life, metaphorically and spiritually speaking.

[Jesus] in the days of his flesh offered up both prayers and supplications, with loud crying and tears, to the one who was able to save him from death, and he was heard as a result of his reverence. Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered, and being perfected, he became the source of eternal salvation to all those who obey him, Hebrews 5:7-9​

 

[MessageOfTheCross]

If you believe there is no power in the Cross, then you believe there is no power in the Blood of Jesus. Why? Because the Cross = The Blood of Jesus and the Finished Work.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The Power was actually manifested in the Resurrection of Christ.

The exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe was wrought in Christ when God raised Him from the dead ——


Ephesians 1:

17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:

18 The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,

19 And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,

20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places


We are not to leave Christ on the cross or in the grave. Even during His lifetime Christ spoke of His resurrection. The resurrection from the dead reveals that Jesus is the Son of God (Rom 1:3 And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead).


If Jesus Christ had not ascended into heaven, the Comforter could not come (John 16:7 if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart I will send Him unto you).

 

[reneweddaybyday]

If you believe there is no power in the Cross, then you believe there is no power in the Blood of Jesus. Why? Because the Cross = The Blood of Jesus and the Finished Work.

The cross is where we lay ourselves down. The cross is where the believer says to God not my will, but Thine be done.

The power of the cross is where we become dead to sin.

When we lay ourselves down at the cross of Christ, we leave behind those things which hinder us from living in that newness of life which He came to bring to us.

Romans 6:

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?

2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.

8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:

9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.

10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.

11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[Dino246]

If you believe there is no power in the Cross, then you believe there is no power in the Blood of Jesus. Why? Because the Cross = The Blood of Jesus and the Finished Work.

Who believes this? Or are you just preaching for the sake of preaching?

How about actually interacting in the discussion instead of throwing quotes at the world?

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Jesus Explains the Purpose of Speaking in Parables

Matthew 13:10-14

10 And the Disciples came, and said unto Him(seems to pertain to a later time when they were alone), Why do you speak to them in Parables? (This portrays consternation on their part!)
​

11 He answered and said unto them (concerns the Lord's method of dealing with two different classes of people, those who really wanted to know God's way and those who were merely curious), Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of Heaven, but to them it is not given (two categories are here presented; in which category are you?).
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12 For whosoever has (and wants more), to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance (if one wills Righteousness, the Lord wills more Righteousness to them): but whosoever has not (no interest for more), from him shall be taken away even that he has (he not only loses what he could have had, but even that which he has; to those who accept the Cross, they will have even more, and to those who reject the Cross, they will lose everything, even that which they previously had).​

13 Therefore speak I to them in Parables (in order to separate those who hunger and thirst for Righteousness from those who don't): because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand (that is, they do not wish to see or hear or understand; and hence by a just judgment they lose this triple moral ability).
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14 And in them (those who reject the Cross [1 Cor. 1:23]) is fulfilled the Prophecy of Isaiah, which says, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive (a willing deafness, a willful blindness, and a willful dullness; this Passage is quoted in one form or the other some seven times in the New Testament [Mat. 13:14-15; Mk. 4:12; LK. 8:10; Jn. 12:39-40; Acts 28:26-27; Rom. 11:8]):
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JSM​

more than half of this so called post from scripture is nothing more than the personal interpretations of Swaggart in his Expositor's Bible

some might be right, but some might be wrong as I have already posted in more than one thread

you know, if you can't make a point without Jimmy looking over your shoulder, maybe you have no point to make?

it is also kind of sad that Jimmy interupts all the verses with reams of comments in red. but then, it IS his Bible and certainly one of a kind

 

[7seasrekeyed]

MessageOfTheCross - in your Post #24 wherein you quoted Philippians 3:17-21, you completely ignored Philippians 3:10 That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;


There is more to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ than His crucifixion.


In agreement that we must know the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable unto His death (the cross).


Not so sure that you agree we must also know the power of His resurrection.

yup

the problem with actually considering other scripture that explains further meaning to the cross, is that Swaggart would not then be able to claim he has the 'one and only' proper interpretation in a brand spanking new revelation given to him directly by God

so...not gonna happen

 

[7seasrekeyed]

Who believes this? Or are you just preaching for the sake of preaching?

How about actually interacting in the discussion instead of throwing quotes at the world?

it really would behoove everyone to remember that it makes total sense if one is following Jimmy Swaggart

that is why it makes no sense to most of us

this is Jimmy's entire brand new ministry

it's unbelievable what some people choose to believe and follow and ignore any scripture that does not support the only thing, it seems, that this poster and his teacher/pastor/whatever, choose to focus on