Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?

fredoheaven · Apr 19, 2018

Umm, to the 120 disciples is no question of "salvation" but "empowerment" being promised by Christ...

Acts 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Acts 1:8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

Didymous said:

I Corinthians 13:5 "Examine yourselves to see whether you be of THE FAITH..."

Let me tell you about the Corinthians! They were people who were learning how to allow the Holy Spirit work in their lives but Paul had to continuously remind them how to deny the flesh! Did you hear? They had ALREADY been baptized by the Holy Spirit (I Corinthians 12:7-13) yet were still STRUGGLING (Ephesians 6:10-12) because it was a new worship from the Old Covenant worship of "Doing good to get Good!"

Unfortunately, that's where proclaimed Christians are TODAY! They don't know how to REST in FAITH and let the Holy Spirit work AFTER being baptized by the Holy Spirit. Today's Christians haven't been TAUGHT how to be baptized by the Holy Spirit because of TEACHINGS by the RCC of a water baptism vs Holy Spirit baptism which defies Ephesians 4:5 in which GOD SAID there is "one baptism!"

Did you hear? Proclaimed Christians start their spiritual journey out with LIES when they are TAUGHT there are TWO baptisms; one with water and another when they "say" they have received the Holy Spirit.

What did GOD SAY in Ephesians 4:5? Did HE SAY "One baptism was to show MAN that you're serious because I can't "look at your heart" and the MAN is of more importance so you can receive MY "one baptism" by just having "saving Faith?"

Did anyone stop to STUDY the Bible to see what GOD SAID rather than just believe what you were TAUGHT? Why do you think GOD is ANGRY?

Because proclaimed Christians start their spiritual journey out with a different baptism than what JESUS SAID and are water baptized, they start out with NOTHING! Then they read the Bible that pertains to those who HAVE been Holy Spirit baptized and THINK the Epistles apply to them when the Epistles ONLY apply to "members of the body of Christ" who have actually gone through THE EVENT of Holy Spirit baptism (I Corinthians 12:13).

It's SAD!

Everyone says "I'm saved" and have NO PROOF the way JESUS SAID they would have (Mark 16:16-20; I Corinthians 12:7-10;13; Acts 1:5) rather have been TAUGHT to IGNORE what JESUS SAID and believe what MAN said.

If you would read the Scriptures I've put in parens you would SEE - IT'S SAD!

Holy Spirit baptism is mankind's only HELP (John 14:26; 16:13; Acts 1:5) against the STRUGGLING that the Corinthians endured because we have the SAME STRUGGLES (Romans 8:4-8).

I PRAY!

Blessings

Didymous · Apr 19, 2018

I believe you meant 2 Corinthians, Incognito. I think most here understand there's only one baptism by Christ, and that the other is just obedience-except some oneness folks maybe. You seem so agitated. I hope you find some peace about this.

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

fredoheaven said:

"Empowerment" is the "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) and is the ONLY baptism for believing a water baptism "ADDS" (Revelation 22:18-19) to the Word of God!

The Book of Acts is the Book that one REALLY has to have the Spirit of discernment to discern LIES from TRUTH (Romans 5:14)!

GOD baptized me with the Holy Spirit and gave me the gift of discernment. HE lead me to Acts 11:15-16 in which Peter "FORGOT" what JESUS SAID in Acts 1:5 making all water baptisms performed in the Book of Acts ERRONEOUS!

This "revelation" is tough meat to chew (Romans 5:14) for those who have NOT been baptized with the Holy Spirit!

Unfortunately Christianity has a VICEGERENT and he found the opportune chance to use his authority to ENTWINE LIES into Scripture justifying the doctrine of the RCC pertaining to water baptism and the Holy Eucharist.

Consequently because the Bible has Peter's "FORGETFULNESS" and the VICEGERENT'S additions/deletions deters from TRUTH it only lead people to "read the letter" (II Corinthians 3:6) and believe.

It's SAD!

Didymous · Apr 19, 2018

Lady, your discernment seems to give the RCC more power than God, and that's sad.

fredoheaven · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

"Empowerment" is the "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) and is the ONLY baptism for believing a water baptism "ADDS" (Revelation 22:18-19) to the Word of God!

The Book of Acts is the Book that one REALLY has to have the Spirit of discernment to discern LIES from TRUTH (Romans 5:14)!

GOD baptized me with the Holy Spirit and gave me the gift of discernment. HE lead me to Acts 11:15-16 in which Peter "FORGOT" what JESUS SAID in Acts 1:5 making all water baptisms performed in the Book of Acts ERRONEOUS!

This "revelation" is tough meat to chew (Romans 5:14) for those who have NOT been baptized with the Holy Spirit!

Unfortunately Christianity has a VICEGERENT and he found the opportune chance to use his authority to ENTWINE LIES into Scripture justifying the doctrine of the RCC pertaining to water baptism and the Holy Eucharist.

Consequently because the Bible has Peter's "FORGETFULNESS" and the VICEGERENT'S additions/deletions deters from TRUTH it only lead people to "read the letter" (II Corinthians 3:6) and believe.

It's SAD!

Yet have you discerned the doctrine of baptisms? or have you ever read regarding the plurality of baptism?

Hebrews 6:2 Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

Didymous said:

Did, do you see the kind of "Christian" you are (Proverbs 6:16-19)?

If you knew there was ONLY "one baptism" you wouldn't have spoken of another which makes TWO and defies the Word of God (Ephesians 4:5)!

Consequently your belief is IN ERROR!

Let's put my "anger" this way! Read Matthew 21:12 and Matthew 23 and PRAY I never act like JESUS in that respect although dealing with PROCLAIMED Christians like you it won't be easy!

KEEP ME JESUS!

If I'm a "oneness folks" it aligns more with Scripture than you (I Corinthians 12:11-12) and I hope you find some peace about that!

Blessings

mailmandan · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

In Matthew 3:11, we read - I baptize you with water for repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, and I am not fit to remove His sandals; He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Again, in Acts 1:5, we read - for John baptized with water, but you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now. *TWO SEPARATE BAPTISMS.

In Acts 11:16, we read - Then I remembered the word of the Lord, how He said, ‘John indeed baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit.’ *These are clearly two distinct baptisms.

*By saying ONE baptism in Ephesians 4:5, Paul did not mean that there is only one baptism that exists such as water baptism but not Spirit baptism or Spirit baptism but not water baptism etc..

*There is only ONE baptism that places us into the body of Christ and that is SPIRIT baptism, not water baptism.

Ephesians 4:5 - one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

1 Corinthians 12:13 - For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body--whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free--and have all been made to drink into one Spirit.

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

fredoheaven said:

GOD DOESN'T CHANGE (Malachi 3:6)!

There's only ONE baptism and was given as "a shadow on things to come" from the beginning (Exodus Chapters 13 & 14). Notwithstanding Christ's baptism of suffering (Luke 12:50), there were three baptisms in Scripture; one was "a shadow of things to come;" the second was John's water baptism (John 1:33) done UNDER THE LAW of "Repentance; Believing that Jesus was coming" (Acts 19:4) and the third IS the fulfillment of the "shadow of things to come" (Acts 1:5) mentioned in Ephesians 4:5.

The OT is "Jesus concealed" whereas the NT is "Jesus revealed!" I Corinthians 10:1-2 says "Moreover, brethren, I would no that ye should be IGNORANT, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea."

In Exodus 14:13-16 GOD commanded Moses to "...lift thou up thy rod, and stretch out thy hand over the sea, and divide it: and the children of Israel shall go on DRY GROUND through the midst of the sea" (v16) and NO ONE GOT WET which was "a shadow of things to come" for Holy Spirit baptism.

Exodus 13:21 says "And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to LEAD them the way; and by night in a pillar of FIRE, to give them light; to go by day and night." This verse is a "revelation" from GOD! When we look back at the characteristics JESUS PROMISED of the Holy Spirit [baptism], we see in John 16:13 JESUS SAID that the Spirit of truth or the Holy Spirit would "GUIDE us into all truth" which is the same characteristic of the Cloud which "LEAD them the way" in Exodus 13:21.

In Matthew 3:11 John said that the Holy Spirit baptism would be "with FIRE" which is the same characteristic of "a pillar of FIRE" in Exodus 13:21 thus making the children of Israel's baptism unto Moses "a shadow of things to come" for Holy Spirit baptism.

The second baptism which John was BORN to perform (John 1:33) was prophesied by the prophets Isaiah (40:3) and Malachi (3:1) and was authorized ONLY to "prepare the way of the coming of the LORD" by having people "Repent; Believing that Jesus was coming" (Acts 19:4) which was only to be performed UNDER THE LAW and was to last ONLY until "JESUS CAME!"

In Jesus' ascension speech Jesus said in John 14:18 "I will not leave you Comfortless *I* will come to you" and AFTER the cross and before HIS ascension, JESUS "fulfilled" John' water baptism when HE SAID "John verily baptized with water; *BUT* [Which nullifies preceding words in a sentence] ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit..." (Acts 1:5) and water baptism SHOULD HAVE ended "...not many days hence."

Unfortunately, Peter "FORGOT" what JESUS SAID in Acts 1:5 which "fulfilled" water baptism as evidenced in Acts 11:15-16 and therefore we see all those ERRONEOUS water baptisms throughout the Book of Acts.

Consequently, the ORIGINAL baptism (Exodus 13/14) in which NO ONE GOT WET was "a shadow of things to come" and was "fulfilled" when JESUS RETURNED (John 14:18) in the glory of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:2; 2:2) on the day of Pentecost that "fulfilled" John's water baptism performed UNDER THE LAW; for people proclaiming "Repentance; Believing that Jesus was coming" (Acts 19:4) because HE CAME and IT WAS OVER!

Blessings

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

mailmandan said:

Do you realize the definition of the word "BUT?" The word "BUT" nullifies words preceding it in a sentence! For Example: If I were to say "Last night we had ice cream for dessert *BUT* [Nullifies] tonight we're having peach cobbler." The "ice cream" is OVER but "tonight peach cobbler."

LIKEWISE, when Jesus said "John verily baptized with water; *BUT* ye shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit..." (Acts 1:5) The "water baptism" is OVER but now "Holy Spirit baptism."

GOD can COUNT and I can too; at least up to two! HE SAID "one baptism" (Ephesians 4:5) and that's what HE MEANS (Isaiah 55:11)! It's MAN that has placed "undue burdens" on people (Matthew 23:4; II Corinthians 8:13) requiring a "water baptism" which denies access to the "POWER" (Acts 1:8) AND is the ONLY WAY one can be "born again" (John 3:5-7)!

Read Acts 11:15-16 AGAIN bearing in mind the definition of the word "BUT" which nullifies words preceding it in a sentence!

Let me tell you this! I believed the SAME WAY you all believe, but it is GOD who have "revealed" this to me and I asked GOD "How can I do this?" "No one will believe me;" but GOD SAID "GO!"

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

Didymous said:

Genesis 6:5 "And GOD saw that the wickedness of a man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only EVIL CONTINUALLY!"

Did you look up the definition of VICEGERENT?

Who invented that word? Me? Why was it invented?

Study the Nicea Council of 325 AD!

Jesus NEVER said Matthew 28:19: “The Baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to the words Father, Son and Holy Spirit by the Catholic Church in the 2nd century (The Catholic Encyclopedia, 2, pg 263)"

In fact, Matthew 28:19 never even mentioned baptism in its original text. It read, “Go ye, and make disciples of all nations in My name.”

“The Pope is of great authority and power that he can modify, explain, or interpret even divine laws... The Pope can modify divine law, since his power is not of man, but of God, and he acts as vicegerent of God upon earth." -Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Ribliotheca, " Papa," art. 2, translated.
"The Pope has the power to change times, to abrogate [to abolish, do away with, or annul] laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop. Cap. (The Pope can modify divine law.) Ferraris' Ecclesiastical Dictionary.

mailmandan · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

The word "BUT" here does not nullify water baptism as if no future believers will receive water baptism. It simply stresses that even though John had baptized with water, believers will be baptized in the future with the Holy Spirit, as we saw in Acts 11:16-17. Water baptism is only over for believers who have already received it, but it's not over today for new converts and neither is Spirit baptism.

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

mailmandan said:

DEFINITION OF "BUT" used to introduce something contrasting with what has already been mentioned.

Is it that hard to be RIGHT vs RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT?

Is it worth it?

IT NULLIFIES water baptism PERIOD which CONFIRMS the "one baptism" mentioned in Ephesians 4:5! GOD CAN COUNT!

Peter "FORGOT" what JESUS SAID in Acts 1:5 and "REMEMBERED" *AFTER* he had ERRONEOUSLY water baptized people throughout the Book of Acts and is why he REPENTED in Acts 11:17 by saying "What was I to withstand GOD?"

I GUARANTEE YOU HE *NEVER* WATER BAPTIZED AGAIN AFTER THE "REVELATION!"

JESUS SAID HE would "bring all things to your REMEMBRANCE..." (John 14:26) and HE "fulfilled" that which HE had spoken UNDER THE LAW (Matt 5:17-18).

WATER BAPTISM WERE FOR PEOPLE UNDER THE LAW WHO HAD "REPENTED; BELIEVING THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (ACTS 19:4) AND THAT'S ALL! SO JESUS CAME AND IT'S OVER! ANYTIME ANYONE IS WATER BAPTIZED THEY ARE "REPENTING; BELIEVING THAT JESUS IS COMING!"

IS THAT YOU?

ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR NEW CONVERTS THAT THEY SHOULD "BELIEVE JESUS IS COMING?"

mailmandan · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

DEFINITION OF "BUT" used to introduce something contrasting with what has already been mentioned.

Is it that hard to be RIGHT vs RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT?

Is it worth it?

IT NULLIFIES water baptism PERIOD which CONFIRMS the "one baptism" mentioned in Ephesians 4:5! GOD CAN COUNT!

Peter "FORGOT" what JESUS SAID in Acts 1:5 and "REMEMBERED" *AFTER* he had ERRONEOUSLY water baptized people throughout the Book of Acts and is why he REPENTED in Acts 11:17 by saying "What was I to withstand GOD?"

I GUARANTEE YOU HE *NEVER* WATER BAPTIZED AGAIN AFTER THE "REVELATION!"

JESUS SAID HE would "bring all things to your REMEMBRANCE..." (John 14:26) and HE "fulfilled" that which HE had spoken UNDER THE LAW (Matt 5:17-18).

WATER BAPTISM WERE FOR PEOPLE UNDER THE LAW WHO HAD "REPENTED; BELIEVING THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (ACTS 19:4) AND THAT'S ALL! SO JESUS CAME AND IT'S OVER! ANYTIME ANYONE IS WATER BAPTIZED THEY ARE "REPENTING; BELIEVING THAT JESUS IS COMING!"

IS THAT YOU?

ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR NEW CONVERTS THAT THEY SHOULD "BELIEVE JESUS IS COMING?"

What’s your angle? What religious movement are you mixed up in? People who receive water baptism under the new covenant are not still under the law. All throughout the book of Acts we see new converts receiving water baptism.

eternally-gratefull · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

DEFINITION OF "BUT" used to introduce something contrasting with what has already been mentioned.

Is it that hard to be RIGHT vs RELIGIOUSLY CORRECT?

Is it worth it?

IT NULLIFIES water baptism PERIOD which CONFIRMS the "one baptism" mentioned in Ephesians 4:5! GOD CAN COUNT!

Peter "FORGOT" what JESUS SAID in Acts 1:5 and "REMEMBERED" *AFTER* he had ERRONEOUSLY water baptized people throughout the Book of Acts and is why he REPENTED in Acts 11:17 by saying "What was I to withstand GOD?"

I GUARANTEE YOU HE *NEVER* WATER BAPTIZED AGAIN AFTER THE "REVELATION!"

JESUS SAID HE would "bring all things to your REMEMBRANCE..." (John 14:26) and HE "fulfilled" that which HE had spoken UNDER THE LAW (Matt 5:17-18).

WATER BAPTISM WERE FOR PEOPLE UNDER THE LAW WHO HAD "REPENTED; BELIEVING THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (ACTS 19:4) AND THAT'S ALL! SO JESUS CAME AND IT'S OVER! ANYTIME ANYONE IS WATER BAPTIZED THEY ARE "REPENTING; BELIEVING THAT JESUS IS COMING!"

IS THAT YOU?

ARE YOU TEACHING YOUR NEW CONVERTS THAT THEY SHOULD "BELIEVE JESUS IS COMING?"

so are you saying it is ok if a person who is born again is not baptised in water? Please clarify

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

mailmandan said:

LISTEN: John's water baptism WAS ONLY TEMPORARY UNTIL JESUS CAME; "REPENTANCE; BELIEVING THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (Acts 19:4)!

Do you agree with that? That's what Acts 19:4 says!

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

eternally-gratefull said:

NO ONE is "born again" UNTIL AFTER they are baptized by the Holy Spirit! It's the "POWER" (Acts 1:8) of the Holy Spirit that "QUICKENS" our DEAD spirits back to life (Ephesians 2:1) THEN we are "born again!"

Water baptism was a TEMPORARY TOOL performed by John UNDER THE LAW for people;s "REPENTANCE; WHO BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (ACTS 19:4)!

JESUS "FULFILLED" (ACTS 1:5)!

PETER "FORGOT" (ACTS 11:15-16).

Incognito · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

NO ONE is "born again" UNTIL AFTER they are baptized by the Holy Spirit! It's the "POWER" (Acts 1:8) of the Holy Spirit that "QUICKENS" our DEAD spirits back to life (Ephesians 2:1) THEN we are "born again!"

Water baptism was a TEMPORARY TOOL performed by John UNDER THE LAW for people;s "REPENTANCE; WHO BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS COMING" (ACTS 19:4)!

READ!

STUDY (II TIM 2:15)!

JESUS "FULFILLED" (ACTS 1:5)!

PETER "FORGOT" (ACTS 11:15-16).

READ!

STUDY (II TIM 2:15)!

eternally-gratefull · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

will you please stop acting as if everyone is stupid,

i KNOW no one is born again until they are baptised by the spirit, i did not ask that question.

jesus commanded the discipkes to go to all the world baptising he, in the name of the father son and spirit. Did he change his mind? Is it ok for a new disciple (born again believer) to say no to water baptism, yes or no?

7seasrekeyed · Apr 19, 2018

Incognito said:

48So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. Acts 10:48

36 As they traveled along the road, they came to some water and the eunuch said, “Look, here is water. What can stand in the way of my being baptized? ”

38 And he gave orders to stop the chariot. Then both Philip and the eunuch went down into the water and Philip baptized him.
Acts 8:36-38

16And now what are you waiting for? Get up, be baptized and wash your sins away, calling on his name.’ Acts 22:16

21and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God. It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ, I Peter 3:21

Christ's Gospel? Paul's Gospel?

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