Must Christians Ask For Forgiveness Every Time They Sin?

[peacefulbeliever]

Not this side of eternity.

If it were possible then Jesus would have just shown us the way.
Then say "Ok kids shown you how to do it, going back to heaven now"

The problem is not seeking to sin less but to be sinless, and if we are not then we are not saved or doubt our salvation.

The problem is not seeking to sin less but to be SINLESS, and if we are not then we are not saved or doubt our salvation.

Huh? We endeavor to walk by the Spirit so that we do not sin but the flesh lust against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh so that sometimes we can not do the things we want. Born again believers do have sin in their lives and it is not because they aren't saved nor that they doubt their salvation - it is because we are still in this fleshly body.

 

[CS1]

No one is saying to not repent. Repentance is not asking God for forgiveness when He has already paid the price for your sin. Repentance is a renewing of the mind that leads to a change in action by the grace and sanctification of God.

lol the word repent with out the full context of the text , verse , passage chapter and book . pullin strong's and not using the full context is not how you use the strongs

 

[BenFTW]

I raise this question again. How can we partake of Communion (often) that recognizes His blood as having granted us the remission of our sins, if we continue to seek forgiveness/remission for our sins (through sin confession)? What? There is a disconnect there. Either our sins have experienced remission or they haven't. Which is it? What is the Gospel?

 

[CS1]

I raise this question again. How can we partake of Communion (often) that recognizes His blood as having granted us the remission of our sins, if we continue to seek forgiveness/remission for our sins (through sin confession)? What? There is a disconnect there. Either our sins have experienced remission or they haven't. Which is it? What is the Gospel?

Pauls did say as often as you eat and drink which means when ever you do so exmine yourself . if what your saying is correct there would be no need to exmine ones self. how does one eat and drink damnation? how can a christian do this? we are told this is why some of you are sick and die . there you go. sick & die what cause a christian to get sick and die ?


you ready ... Sin. what sin ? Hmm eating and drinking the Lords Supper unworthliy . this line of thinking many have is why many still practice homosexuality , and drunkness , and adultery . They are Carnal Christians who never come to maturity in the Lord because they use the Grace of God to sin. Oh but is not sin . Skubala !!!

 

[peacefulbeliever]

Thank you, I can agree with this 100%, And admit, times I have asked God to forgive me, or at the very least, as God how he can forgive me.

And 1 John is not written to unbelievers, who said that? WOWSERS

Post #154

 

[eternally-gratefull]

STRONGS NT 3341: μετάνοια
μετάνοια, μετανοίας, ἡ (μετανοέω), a change of mind: as it appears in one who repents of a purpose he has formed or of something he has done, Hebrews 12:17 on which see εὑρίσκω, 3 ((Thucydides 3, 36, 3); Polybius 4, 66, 7; Plutarch, Peric c. 10; mor., p. 26 a.; τῆςἀδελφοκτονιαςμετάνοια, Josephus, Antiquities 13, 11, 3); especially the change of mind of those who have begun to abhor their errors and misdeeds, and have determined to enter upon a better course of life, so that it embraces both a recognition of sin and sorrow for it and hearty amendment, the tokens and effects of which are good deeds (Lactantius, 6, 24, 6 would have it rendered in Latin byresipiscentia) (A. V.repentance): Matthew 3:8, 11; Luke 3:8, (16 Lachmann); Luke 15:7; Luke 24:47; Acts 26:20; βάπτισμαμετανοίας, a baptism binding its subjects to repentance (Winer's Grammar, § 30, 2 β.), Mark 1:4; Luke 3:3; Acts 13:24; Acts 19:4; (ἡεἰς (τόν) Θεόνμετάνοια, Acts 20:21, see μετανοέω, at the end); διδόναιτίνιμετάνοιαν, to give one the ability to repent, or to cause him to repent, Acts 5:31; Acts 11:18; 2 Timothy 2:25; τιναεἰςμετάνοιανκαλεῖν, Luke 5:32, and Rec. in Matthew 9:13; Mark 2:17; ἄγειν, Romans 2:4 (Josephus, Antiquities 4, 6, 10 at the end); ἀνακαινίζειν, Hebrews 6:6; χωρῆσαιεἰςμετάνοιαν, to come to the point of repenting, or be brought to repentance, 2 Peter 3:9 (but see χωρέω, 1 at the end); μετάνοιαἀπόνεκρῶνἔργων, that change of mind by which we turn from, desist from, etc. Hebrews 6:1 (Buttmann, 322 (277)); used merely of the improved spiritual state resulting from deep sorrow for sin, 2 Corinthians 7:9f (Sir. 44:16: Wis. 11:24 (23); Wisdom 12:10,19; Or. Man. Prayer of Manasseh 1:7f ((cf. the Sept. edition Tdf. Prolog., p. 112f)); Philo, qued det. pot. insid. § 26 at the beginning; Antoninus 8, 10; (Cebes, tab. 10 at the end).)



To deny the need to repent makes you on very shaky ground.

i repented 40 years ago have you repented.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No one is saying to not repent. Repentance is not asking God for forgiveness when He has already paid the price for your sin. Repentance is a renewing of the mind that leads to a change in action by the grace and sanctification of God.

I repented 40 years ago, my repentance is ongoing as i grow in christ and learn new things.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Post #154

Did you ask him what he meant. I think parts discuss unbelievers, and parts believers, it seems thats what he was saying

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

This controversy has been going on in the church from almost the very beginning. John wrote about those in the church who thought that they had been perfected and that repentance was a matter of maintaining that awareness. John said they left the church because they weren't of it.

 

[preston39]

Hmmm.... I always took that we pray without ceasing LITERALLY.

A...,

Do you pray when you sleep?
Do you pray when conversing with some one...business/social?
Do you pray AS you are eating?
Do you pray in church when the minister is preaching to you?
etc.
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[preston39]

P S ...

Do you pray when speaking.. as in a job?
Do you pray when concentrating on a writing task?
etc.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Wrong. 1 John 1 was written to unbelievers, the "you" he referred to in verse 3.

Paul Ellis points this out:...

Instead of quoting the false teachings of Paul Ellis, why don't you simply study the first epistle of John for yourself?

Anyone with an ounce of discernment can see that this epistle (similar to all epistles) is written to the children of God -- believers.

 

[Lewiz]

Not sure I fully agree with this in terms of the Holy Spirit in him was demonic.

The reason being is based on my experience.

I used to go to an Anglican church.
When I went to college I ended up in a Baptist church.

The first time I went I heard tongues being spoken and people going forward for healing.

I left the service saying to myself "What I have seen today is evil"

So have I committed blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.
After all there was a healing and tongues.

There's scripture for that, too.
1 Timothy 1

12I thank Christ Jesus our Lord, who has strengthened me, because He considered me faithful, putting me into service, 13even though I was formerly a blasphemer and a persecutor and a violent aggressor. Yet I was shown mercy because I acted ignorantly in unbelief; 14and the grace of our Lord was more than abundant, with the faith and love which are found in Christ Jesus. 15It is a trustworthy statement, deserving full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, among whom I am foremost of all. 16Yet for this reason I found mercy, so that in me as the foremost, Jesus Christ might demonstrate His perfect patience as an example for those who would believe in Him for eternal life. 17Now to the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only God, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen.

You see Bill, we've probably all somewhere, like Paul, blasphemed the Holy Spirit in ignorance. When Paul says he was shown mercy because he did so in unbelief, that's pretty much the smoking gun confession that his blasphemy was against the Holy Spirit.

I confess that I myself did that years ago before I was saved. I mocked the Pentecostals, saying they went into fits & rolled on the floor & swung from the chandeliers. Many people have done that. That's an example of the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit done in ignorance.

But, when someone mocks the Holy Spirit, knowing it's really the Holy Ghost, fully aware it's the Spirit's work, & not caring of the consequences, that person will not be forgiven, ever.

 

[Lewiz]

I never said that. or even insinuated that.

So please look again.

OK, I did, & found this.

You do not get it, Those who are IN CHRIST are those who Walk not after the fesh. It is who they are, they are new creatures, They are not dogs that keep going back to their vomit (the world) they are made new in christ.

Walking not after the flesh is not a requirement, it is a description of those who are in christ.

 

[oldethennew]

Yet your soul shall be saved,would you agree?So then the spirit was made perfect and that Is the part of us that GOD sees but In the flesh we are In the process of renewing our minds so that we can prove the good and acceptable and perfect will of GOD and thats the part of us that will suffer the consequences of disobedience,right?

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it may seem 'odd' to many - but if you 'KNOW your Bible', it has a lot to do with 'position and penalties'...

 

[Lewiz]

God's grace is not a license to sin, but the keys to liberty. God tell us what happens under grace, and it is not licentiousness. It is "sin shall not have dominion over you." True grace, God's grace, results in the sanctification of the believer.

When you believe in a once-and-done salvation, you don't see the multitudes of possibilities Satan could use against it?

You really can't see it?

Think of how easy it would be for Satan to tempt young converts who have swallowed this false doctrine.

"You only have to steal this money once & you're rich. It won't hurt to do it ONCE because you're still saved no matter what, right?"

How many "one time" temptations can Satan do to the people that believe this?

Adultery - one time & lose your virginity. Still saved.

Theft - filthy rich, & still saved.

Lie in court one time to save your skin for some other "one -time" sin you got caught doing, & still be saved.

Like alcohol, it always starts with one.

Before you know it, you're sweeping all kinds of sins under the rug, thinking all along you're still saved.

 

[Lewiz]

what do you think rejecting the gospel is?? saying nice things about the spirit?

A christian who rejects the gospel already has a bunch of unrepentant sin under their belt before doing such a thing.

A christian doesn't backslide overnight.

 

[Lewiz]

so you believe in purgatory?

No, silly, this part:

All men are born in unbelief, They have till the day they die to repent and come to faith. As jesus said, You are in DANGER of committing the pardonable sin (yet they actually did)

once you die, Unbelief can not be forgiven.

I will agree though, when a christian decides to live in habitual sin, he can fall totally away from God, & that IS unforgivable.

 

[BenFTW]

Decided to make a list, for those interested (Budman, EG, etc).

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/165728-10-reasons-sin-confession-questionable.html

 

[Lewiz]

well he could. but the only people he could convince of that nonsense are people who never trusted God to begin with.

Those who truly repented and truly had faith, He could never convince of this.

You can only tempt a person who is falible to temptation. A true born again child of God KNOWS his sin debt, KNOWS how much he was forgiven, and repented because he wanted to come out of that life to begin with, He would never want to go back.

That has got to be the biggest story you've ever told!

WHO can judge such a thing?

Have you ever fallen to temptation?

I have, & at times quite often. I have to repent of it & ask God's forgiveness just like everyone else does.

I have to believe by faith He will forgive me. Notice what Paul said:

Romans 7
14So the trouble is not with the law, for it is spiritual and good. The trouble is with me, for I am all too human, a slave to sin. 15I don’t really understand myself, for I want to do what is right, but I don’t do it. Instead, I do what I hate. 16But if I know that what I am doing is wrong, this shows that I agree that the law is good. 17So I am not the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.18And I know that nothing good lives in me, that is, in my sinful nature.[SUP]d[/SUP] I want to do what is right, but I can’t. 19I want to do what is good, but I don’t. I don’t want to do what is wrong, but I do it anyway. 20But if I do what I don’t want to do, I am not really the one doing wrong; it is sin living in me that does it.21I have discovered this principle of life—that when I want to do what is right, I inevitably do what is wrong. 22I love God’s law with all my heart. 23But there is another power[SUP]e[/SUP] within me that is at war with my mind. This power makes me a slave to the sin that is still within me. 24Oh, what a miserable person I am! Who will free me from this life that is dominated by sin and death? 25Thank God! The answer is in Jesus Christ our Lord. So you see how it is: In my mind I really want to obey God’s law, but because of my sinful nature I am a slave to sin.