10 Reasons Sin Confession Is Questionable!!!

[Nehemiah6]

Is there a difference between sin that is continually ignored or a sin trait that someone struggles to overcome.

Note "struggles to overcome"

Obviously no sin should be "ignored" by believers. But we need to examine this matter of "struggling" with sin.

God never meant to have His children "struggle" with sin. That is why He gives them the gift of the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is God, the power of God resides within the Christian to "cast out" sin from within. Stop it, block it, shut it off, destroy its power, demolish its hold, and quit "cold turkey". But the price which must be paid is the crucifixion of "the flesh". Paul says we are to MORTIFY the flesh. Mortify means "put to death", which means kill, place in a coffin, nail it shut, and bury it six foot deep.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

So when a person sins, they are outside of Christ (condemned) but once they confess and repent they are back in Christ (saved)? Am I understanding you correctly?

When a person sins they are definitely walking in the flesh and not walking in Christ. Christ doesn't condemn them, nor are they unsaved, because of GOD's covenant with them, i.e., they are in Christ. Once they repent and return from walking astray (however brief or long) they are no longer at odds with Christ.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Glad you clarified that.

But is it possible for a person to ignore sin and still be saved?
Is David an example of such a person?

GOD is long suffering. He has ways of ringing us to our senses.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Jesus said that he must go to the Father so they the Holy Spirit must come to convict the world of its sin.

That sin is unbelief in him.
So a person who repents of that has now placed their faith in him.

But you seem to be saying that repentance of unbelief is not credited to the believer until they are baptised.
That being the case if they die before that then they are not actually saved?

The sin the holy spirit convinces the world of is all sin. Concerning your last two sentences, I don't go there, but I'll just say that I think a person is foolish to not get baptized.

 

[BillG]

Obviously no sin should be "ignored" by believers. But we need to examine this matter of "struggling" with sin.

God never meant to have His children "struggle" with sin. That is why He gives them the gift of the Holy Spirit. Since the Holy Spirit is God, the power of God resides within the Christian to "cast out" sin from within. Stop it, block it, shut it off, destroy its power, demolish its hold, and quit "cold turkey". But the price which must be paid is the crucifixion of "the flesh". Paul says we are to MORTIFY the flesh. Mortify means "put to death", which means kill, place in a coffin, nail it shut, and bury it six foot deep.

I can't disagree with that.

The reason I asked the question was because it is so easy to write someone off without finding what is going on in their hearts.

I think today the problem is that

When someone places their faith in Jesus, like an altar call. Then they are left to their own devices. Lack of discipleship.

If discipleship is made then if it's not correct then it can further add to the problems.

I remember when I shared my gambling addiction and how I overcome you liked my post.
If you remember I said "the advice I was given was Bible says dont do, so don't do"
That just added to my problem.
That is not discipleship.

What helped me?

Someone said "It's not what you but why you do it.
I didn't want to gamble but I did, I hated it, when I tried not to I did it even more. It did my head in.
A bit like Paul

What changed was when I actually started to realise who I was in Jesus and what I meant to him.
When I realised it then I was set free.
This was the discipleship I was given.

There is no doubt they the Holy Spirit in us is greater than the sins we walk in to release us from.
But at times he needs turn deal with the cause of the effect.
He doesn't want to deal with effect and put a plaster on it.
He wants to dig out the cause and heal it to totally set us free.

Discipleship is not one dimensional but it's also dynamic.

In our own strength we cannot overcome.

 

[BillG]

The sin the holy spirit convinces the world of is all sin. Concerning your last two sentences, I don't go there, but I'll just say that I think a person is foolish to not get baptized.

What did Jesus say about the Holy Spirit coming in the first instance to convince the world of sin that leads to salvation when repented off?

With regards to not going there I think you already have.

You seem to have said that sins are not forgiven until you are water baptised.

If I have misread what you have said then please please correct me.

Please also know I'm not looking for an argument.

You posted below

Actually Ben I believe a person's sins are completely forgiven when a person is baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ. That IMO is when a person enters into covenant with GOD and is circumcised in the heart. Then all he has to do is remain in Christ until the end. Sin caused by walking outside of Christ needs to be forsaken and a return to Christ be made.

 

[BenFTW]

When a person sins they are definitely walking in the flesh and not walking in Christ. Christ doesn't condemn them, nor are they unsaved, because of GOD's covenant with them, i.e., they are in Christ. Once they repent and return from walking astray (however brief or long) they are no longer at odds with Christ.

What does it mean to be at odds with Christ? Is there a consequence? Also, are you stating that a true believer will inevitably repent and return from walking astray?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

What does it mean to be at odds with Christ? Is there a consequence? Also, are you stating that a true believer will inevitably repent and return from walking astray?

Being at odds with Christ would be when someone is walking contrary to GOD's will.

Revelation 2 talks about 3 churches that Jesus held their sins against them and he uttered some consequences if they didn't repent.

I believe that true believers will repent and return.

 

[BenFTW]

Being at odds with Christ would be when someone is walking contrary to GOD's will.

Revelation 2 talks about 3 churches that Jesus held their sins against them and he uttered some consequences if they didn't repent.

I believe that true believers will repent and return.

Would you then agree with the point of the OP, that because we have forgiveness from God through Christ (due to His bloodshed), that forgiveness isn't something we seek from the Lord, but walk in? In Christ we are forgiven, God not holding our sins against us because they have been washed in the blood of Christ? Agree?

 

[Lewiz]

In the Bible, 'repent' is often paired with the phrase 'and turn' or 'be converted'. Two separate things - one is the change of mind and heart that allows for the turning to or from something or someone. It really is no more complicated than that. You are adding meaning to the Greek word that appears and is translated as 'repent'.

If you count the four gospels all saying the same thing, yes. Just because it's used with those phrases doesn't take away from it's meaning to the church:
Acts 8:13 (KJV)
Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Acts 8:18-24 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, [SUP]19 [/SUP] Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost. [SUP]20 [/SUP] But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. [SUP]21 [/SUP] Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God. [SUP]22 [/SUP] Repent(3340) therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. [SUP]23 [/SUP] For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. [SUP]24 [/SUP] Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

Romans 2:1-12 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP] But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. [SUP]3 [/SUP] And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP] Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance(3340)? [SUP]5 [/SUP] But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; [SUP]6 [/SUP] Who will render to every man according to his deeds: [SUP]7 [/SUP] To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life: [SUP]8 [/SUP] But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath, [SUP]9 [/SUP] Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile; [SUP]10 [/SUP] But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile: [SUP]11 [/SUP] For there is no respect of persons with God. [SUP]12 [/SUP] For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;

2 Corinthians 7:8-9 (KJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP] For though I made you sorry with a letter, I do not repent, though I did repent: for I perceive that the same epistle hath made you sorry, though it were but for a season. [SUP]9 [/SUP] Now I rejoice, not that ye were made sorry, but that ye sorrowed to repentance(3341): for ye were made sorry after a godly manner, that ye might receive damage by us in nothing.

2 Corinthians 12:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults: [SUP]21 [/SUP] And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented(3340) of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.

2 Timothy 2:25 (KJV) [SUP]25 [/SUP] In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
[HR][/HR]2 Peter 3:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Repent; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will fight against them with the sword of my mouth.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 2:22 (KJV)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
[HR][/HR]Revelation 3:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

All of these are directed to the church, not the sinner.

IF your added-to construction is accurate, then you would have to say that when God repented (Gen. 6:6 and Ex 32:14), that He had to turn away from idols and turn to Himself. Even the OT definition translated as 'repent' speaks only of a change of mind/heart/regret and even has an element of comfort:

Strong's H5162 - nacham נָחַם

to be sorry, console oneself, repent, regret, comfort, be comforted

1. (Niphal)
   1. to be sorry, be moved to pity, have compassion
   2. to be sorry, rue, suffer grief, repent
   3. to comfort oneself, be comforted
   4. to comfort oneself, ease oneself
2. (Piel) to comfort, console
3. (Pual) to be comforted, be consoled
4. (Hithpael)
   1. to be sorry, have compassion
   2. to rue, repent of
   3. to comfort oneself, be comforted
   4. to ease oneself

So if we're going to talk about how 'repent' applies in Scripture, we must be consistent. The meaning is consistent; context is consistent - for both God and man. 'Turn' is a different word, with a different meaning, and is in addition to/often a result of one's repentance.

I don't know why that is so hard to grasp.


-JGIG

Actually, N6 didn't use the OT definition at all, which means this whole 2nd half is a strawman argument.

If you know so much about the Bible, why do you choose to use deceptive tactics?

 

[Lewiz]

If there's sin that you continually ignore such that it sears your conscience to the point that you don't listen to it anymore and subsequently fall away from the faith, then Jesus didn't fail in his mission.

I agree. Nowhere in scripture does it say every christian will be 100% successful. It's left up to us to be faithful, & not be slothful. We must strive to be Christlike while we live.

 

[Lewiz]

This puts us under law not under grace.

John said a believer who has been born of God can not continue in sin, so why you people keep thinking they can is beyond me.

When John say "can not", he's saying we must stop living in sin. You portray it to be that we could't, even if we wanted to.

That is eisegesis.

 

[Deade]

When we find ourselves continuing in sin, we must then examine why. If our faith has become dysfunctional, there is something we are ignoring. If we stay in the word and fellowship we should have a healthy functional faith.

 

[Gabriel2020]

There's only one way to ride a horse, any other way would be dangerous. Ride the horse the right way and you will not fall off.

 

[BenFTW]

So... from what I gather, people agree we have the total forgiveness of sins? Establishing this allows us to move onto other topics (repentance, transparency before God/sin confession, righteousness and holiness, etc).

 

[JGIG]

To the gnostics metanoia is/was a state of enlightenment when they realize who they really are, i.e., perfected spiritual beings in a corrupt material bodies. To them salvation is the process of maintaining that awareness; sin is irrelevant because their spiritual nature can't be affected by it. BY saying Jesus experienced metanoia, ir sounds like that guy was a gnostic, or influenced by their ideas.

Well, it's a good thing that the Apostles who wrote the New Covenant Scriptures and used the Greek word metanoia weren't gnostics, then, isn't it?!

-JGIG

 

[Nehemiah6]

Well, it's a good thing that the Apostles who wrote the New Covenant Scriptures and used the Greek word metanoia weren't gnostics, then, isn't it?!

That certainly does not let modern false teachers off the hook. The apostles would be appalled at what is being presented as "the gospel" by some who would pervert the true Gospel.

 

[Nehemiah6]

There's only one way to ride a horse, any other way would be dangerous. Ride the horse the right way and you will not fall off.

Unless you are riding on the pale horse with Death and Hades.

 

[plainguy]

How does trusting and knowing that God willingly forgives us nullify ones desire to say "forgive me Father ... I have sinned" ? The (mature) regenerate person is not seeking again to be saved but is desiring to be restored to that peaceful place of loving fellowship with God. Sin negatively affects our relationship with God, our peace, our walk. I don't believe that it affects our standing with Him (our salvation) ... but how and why would this make saying forgive me (and meaning it) any less desirable ? Does saying forgive me for sin(s) after being saved mean that our faith is weak ? Is a sorrowful and contrite heart after salvation something that God the Father frowns upon ? Until freed from these fleshly bodies, we will all fall short of His glory at times. And undoubtedly, we can come to Him in confidence knowing that we are loved and forgiven. But to say that it is not "necessary or required" to ask for forgiveness for sin(s) after being redeemed by His shed blood seems to me more of trampling upon His grace than would any "redundant" plea. To each their own I spose.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Would you then agree with the point of the OP, that because we have forgiveness from God through Christ (due to His bloodshed), that forgiveness isn't something we seek from the Lord, but walk in? In Christ we are forgiven, God not holding our sins against us because they have been washed in the blood of Christ? Agree?

No I don't agree. Seeking forgiveness we have in Christ is essential to keeping us whole and steadily on the path to life. IMO you treat sin so lightly, as if it's just a bad thought that simply needs to be banished away.