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Thank God you're not a lawyer, b/c you can't "slander" an object (the Bible.) Nor can you slander something via written word. That's called libel. And I ignore you because you're abrasive and kind of on my nerves. I REALLY don't care what you think/say/feel about me. That's God's place. Not your's. Nor do I care about what you feel about my gay brother. I love him, as God does, and that's all that matters. Your hate speech is kind of pointless, thanks.

But since you say I'm committing "slander" LOL:

Abomination - towebah in Hebrew NEVER refers to homosexuality in the Bible.

A brief description of the anti-gay clobber passages in the Hebrew Scriptures

VERSES FROM THE HEBREW SCRIPTURES (OLD TESTAMENT) ON HOMOSEXUALITY
Actually, son, it does refer specifically to homosexuality as "to-ay-bah" in Leviticus 20:13. Hope this helps you.
 
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I AGREE 100% U ARE RIGHT IN EVERY WAY. EXCEPT DONT BASH ON PRIEST BEING MOLESTERS BECAUSE WE CHRISTIANS ARENT PERFECT EITHER AND THEIR ARE SOME PASTORS THAT COMMIT SINS TOO
 
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I know I'm going to regret posting my point of view on this, but I never understood why homosexuality is a sin. Of all the sins out there that was the one that made no sense to me. I mean lying, killing, stealing, cheating, they all have one thing in common, they have the potential to cause hurt and damage and there's pretty much never a good reason to do either of them. You can love someone of the opposite gender, marry them, and have a relationship with them, and it's okay, but doing the exact same thing with the same sex is a crime against nature? Yeah they can't reproduce but aside from the fact that the world's not in danger of being underpopulated anytime soon, there's still enough strait people out there that keeping the world populated is very unlikely to ever become an issue. Yeah they are prone to STD's, but so are strait people. And yeah chances are if you are Christian, you cringe at the sight of homosexuality, but I don't think that's a natural gut instinct but rather a case of classical conditioning from constantly being taught that the lifestyle is wrong so naturally we react accordingly. But honestly if God one day said that homosexuality was okay, I don't see humanity crumbling into oblivion like it would if stealing suddenly became okay, or lying became okay, or murdering became okay. I'm not saying the life style is right or wrong, I'm just saying I don't understand why it has to be wrong. I can't come up with any logical reason for it to be wrong. If one person loves another then why would their gender matter? Again, I'm not saying they are right, I just don't understand why they're wrong, if that makes sense.

The abomination referred to in the bible used today to justify the hatred of loving, same-sex relationships actually referred to male-male rape perpetrated on prisoners taken in battle by the ancient Babylonians. They would also urinate on them as a show of superiority...THAT is an abomination. Much different than love. It's not about the act, it's about who you fall in love with. Could you fall in love with a member of the same gender?..or commit to be alone the rest of your life? What if you woke up tomorrow and it was illegal to marry the opposite sex? All TV, radio etc. portrayed only same-sex relationships? What if you could lose your job, your friends and family if they found out about your spouse? That is what it's like to be gay. I've been a gay Christian for 30 years and I've never felt closer to God. What would Jesus do, forget about contemporary Christianity, Religion, doctrine...Jesus did not have his teachings written, they were written in response to Roman decree to get protection from persecution 40-60 years later. The Truth...and deep down in your heart you know what it is and it's different for all of us. Trust your heart, for therein lies the Truth and it shall set you free.

Jesus came to me in a near death exp. when I was 12. I had some visions at 35, now I'm 49 and I finally hear Him clearly! He said to me:

"All this concern over sin and evil saddens me. If you
concern yourself with sin and evil, you will see and reap sin and evil. I dedicated my life to teaching that the old covenant is dead. What the Pharisees taught was to keep you oppressed. As I have said, the letter of the law kills but the spirit gives life. To him that it is sin it is sin, but to him that it is not if it harms not, it is not. The law of God is written in the hearts of men, not in the Koran, Torah, not in the Bible. If you lack wisdom ask. Do as I did, look within for the Holy spirit. If the letter, the word, if the law, if my body, my blood was the path to salvation, than all would already be dust. If your right hand causes you to sin, then why haven't you cut it off? Why have you not plucked out your eye? Because just as you cannot be perfect with two hands or eyes, you will never be perfect with one.

What does your conscience tell you? Are your motives and intentions those of love and compassion? Then darkness cannot touch you. I am the son of Man...as are you. We are One. Do not worship me! I am not an idol, nor is my cross. I did not come that you would worship me, Jesus, but The Holy Spirit who dwells within me, and also within you. I was merely the first to expose the dangers of doctrine, the evil of politicizing spirit by creating a standard, a set of steps one must take to be loved without judgment. I stood up to those who could not tolerate the idea that God was not in the Torah, not in the Temple, but within them, and that they were in Him…that they and God were One as all is One. How can that which is imperfect be perfect…only All is perfect. No word, no matter if said by Moses or David or Mathew or Ruth…no word of any volume is less than written by God, or more than written by Man, and subject to the scrutiny of one's God-given mind. He who is greater than all imagining cannot be summed up by the words of anyone. Learn from the wisdom in the word but do not worship or exalt those words. I went to the Father so we could be One. We are all but drops in the same Ocean. Love thy Lord God with all your heart, mind and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself. Let compassion be your guide. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and nothing will separate you from God."

 
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I just cannot believe this, though I can because I am seeing it. Many of you people have been seduced by this wicked Satan. He has trained you by your peers how to not obey God. This abomination is obvious and you do tempt God in justifying sin. God will destroy it all. How can you be under grace if you belong to sin. Not only this, you teach people it is okay. You obey men more than God. And God has given you over to this ill belief. What things will you not teach and believe?

I am really ashamed at ANYONE who calls themselves a gay Christian. If you mean to be happy, then okay. But if you corrupt your bodies with this filth, you absolutely DO NOT belong to the church, and this will NOT be tolerated as acceptable in the house of God. Maybe your pastors or teachers who have given themselves over to Satan teach this, but you will answer to Jesus Christ, not to wicked men who are DROWNED in perdition by the lust in them.

Now you are proof in yourselves that you neither fear God nor do you worship him. Please repent of this, before the Lord intervenes and destroys this wicked nation. May Jesus bless you and keep you.
 
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I just cannot believe this, though I can because I am seeing it. Many of you people have been seduced by this wicked Satan. He has trained you by your peers how to not obey God. This abomination is obvious and you do tempt God in justifying sin. God will destroy it all. How can you be under grace if you belong to sin. Not only this, you teach people it is okay. You obey men more than God. And God has given you over to this ill belief. What things will you not teach and believe?

I am really ashamed at ANYONE who calls themselves a gay Christian. If you mean to be happy, then okay. But if you corrupt your bodies with this filth, you absolutely DO NOT belong to the church, and this will NOT be tolerated as acceptable in the house of God. Maybe your pastors or teachers who have given themselves over to Satan teach this, but you will answer to Jesus Christ, not to wicked men who are DROWNED in perdition by the lust in them.

Now you are proof in yourselves that you neither fear God nor do you worship him. Please repent of this, before the Lord intervenes and destroys this wicked nation. May Jesus bless you and keep you.
You sound like the mother from Carrie. Everything foreign to you is "unGodly" or "evil."
 
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hahaha!!! amen to that FSUboy966. Dont mind him. God is loving not some guy with a whip and a thunder bolt on his other hand.
 
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jimmydiggs

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hahaha!!! amen to that FSUboy966. Dont mind him. God is loving not some guy with a whip and a thunder bolt on his other hand.
Apparently you've not read the Old Testament. One Word: Amalekites.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Jesus came to me in a near death exp. when I was 12. I had some visions at 35, now I'm 49 and I finally hear Him clearly! He said to me:

"All this concern over sin and evil saddens me. If you concern yourself with sin and evil, you will see and reap sin and evil. I dedicated my life to teaching that the old covenant is dead. What the Pharisees taught was to keep you oppressed. As I have said, the letter of the law kills but the spirit gives life. To him that it is sin it is sin, but to him that it is not if it harms not, it is not. The law of God is written in the hearts of men, not in the Koran, Torah, not in the Bible. If you lack wisdom ask. Do as I did, look within for the Holy spirit. If the letter, the word, if the law, if my body, my blood was the path to salvation, than all would already be dust. If your right hand causes you to sin, then why haven't you cut it off? Why have you not plucked out your eye? Because just as you cannot be perfect with two hands or eyes, you will never be perfect with one.

What does your conscience tell you? Are your motives and intentions those of love and compassion? Then darkness cannot touch you. I am the son of Man...as are you. We are One. Do not worship me! I am not an idol, nor is my cross. I did not come that you would worship me, Jesus, but The Holy Spirit who dwells within me, and also within you. I was merely the first to expose the dangers of doctrine, the evil of politicizing spirit by creating a standard, a set of steps one must take to be loved without judgment. I stood up to those who could not tolerate the idea that God was not in the Torah, not in the Temple, but within them, and that they were in Him…that they and God were One as all is One. How can that which is imperfect be perfect…only All is perfect. No word, no matter if said by Moses or David or Mathew or Ruth…no word of any volume is less than written by God, or more than written by Man, and subject to the scrutiny of one's God-given mind. He who is greater than all imagining cannot be summed up by the words of anyone. Learn from the wisdom in the word but do not worship or exalt those words. I went to the Father so we could be One. We are all but drops in the same Ocean. Love thy Lord God with all your heart, mind and soul. Love your neighbor as yourself. Let compassion be your guide. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone and nothing will separate you from God."


Just because you say your subjective personal exprience came from God doesn't make it so. In fact, if it is not, that is a very grave matter.


Also, I find it interesting that you critize using the Bible for doctrines, but then create your own by criticizing the Pharisees, who are in the bible.


If we do not have some kind of objective grounding for matters of doctrine, we can make just about anything doctrinal.
 
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Ramon

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hahaha!!! amen to that FSUboy966. Dont mind him. God is loving not some guy with a whip and a thunder bolt on his other hand.
My friend your mockery will not earn you any laughter with God either. May Jesus bless you.
 
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ubaiono

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when we call ourselfs christian we should really know what it mean ,Gods word in the bible condenmes homosexuality or pedophilia or fornication, thats clear and simple and those practicings it are NOT christians even if they goes to church or even if they are priests they are deceiving themselfs. Have ever seen a cock having sex with a cock? NO, rather cock always have sex with a hen, if God created animals like this what about humans.
 
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wolfywolfs

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when we call ourselfs christian we should really know what it mean ,Gods word in the bible condenmes homosexuality or pedophilia or fornication, thats clear and simple and those practicings it are NOT christians even if they goes to church or even if they are priests they are deceiving themselfs. Have ever seen a cock having sex with a cock? NO, rather cock always have sex with a hen, if God created animals like this what about humans.
actully i have and dogs and monkeys dont you watch discovery channel
 
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when we call ourselfs christian we should really know what it mean ,Gods word in the bible condenmes homosexuality or pedophilia or fornication, thats clear and simple and those practicings it are NOT christians even if they goes to church or even if they are priests they are deceiving themselfs. Have ever seen a cock having sex with a cock? NO, rather cock always have sex with a hen, if God created animals like this what about humans.
Your logic here is faulty because there are a lot of animals that have been known to have sex with the same gender. Monkeys, dolphins, dogs, cats, penguins, cows (I can attest I've seen that happen a few times back when I used to help out at a dairy farm). There are over 1,500 animal species known to practice gay sex. Using this logic of, "If animals are like this, then what about humans?" only makes your argument against homosexuality backfire.
 
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Your logic here is faulty because there are a lot of animals that have been known to have sex with the same gender. Monkeys, dolphins, dogs, cats, penguins, cows (I can attest I've seen that happen a few times back when I used to help out at a dairy farm). There are over 1,500 animal species known to practice gay sex. Using this logic of, "If animals are like this, then what about humans?" only makes your argument against homosexuality backfire.

talk about pwning yourself
 
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My mockery?? Im not mocking anyone. Im laughing at funny things u r posting Mr. Ramon.. its amusing. And The Jimmydog person a few words for u. God is love. And love doesnt whip you or strikes u dead with a lightning bolt. If it did.. I would rather burn in hell then be with a God that cruel.
 
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My mockery?? Im not mocking anyone. Im laughing at funny things u r posting Mr. Ramon.. its amusing. And The Jimmydog person a few words for u. God is love. And love doesnt whip you or strikes u dead with a lightning bolt. If it did.. I would rather burn in hell then be with a God that cruel.
You're right God is love, he is also justice and wrath. Sin is sin and the punishment for it is death according to God. The one who took our punishment Jesus the Christ died for us that put our faith in him but those who do not will be judged and they will die. God is love but he is also just and his justice will not be denied.
 
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And love doesnt whip you or strikes u dead with a lightning bolt.
Well...

John 2:13-16 (English Standard Version)

Jesus Cleanses the Temple

13 The Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 In the temple he found those who were selling oxen and sheep and pigeons, and the money-changers sitting there. 15 And making a whip of cords, he drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and oxen. And he poured out the coins of the money-changers and overturned their tables.
(To be fair it never says Jesus actually whipped anyone, but he had a whip with him).

and...

Acts 5 (English Standard Version)

Ananias and Sapphira

1 But a man named Ananias, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property, 2 and with his wife’s knowledge he kept back for himself some of the proceeds and brought only a part of it and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back for yourself part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, was it not at your disposal? Why is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You have not lied to men but to God." 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last. And great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men rose and wrapped him up and carried him out and buried him.
7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 And Peter said to her, "Tell me whether you [a] sold the land for so much." And she said, "Yes, for so much." 9 But Peter said to her, "How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out." 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and breathed her last. When the young men came in they found her dead, and they carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
(Again, to be fair, lightning was not used, but both were struck dead just as fast).

So actually, BOTH things you mentioned have actually happened in the Bible.