What is the bible?
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This is good Vic 
now don't let the darkness fool you and think that is all there is too it. Remember God and His vision of your life He gave you. You have a spiritual gift but I'm not sure if it is prophecy. You must look deeply inside your self and pray and read God's HOLY WORD and ask yourself some tough questions.
1. what do I enjoy doing?
2. what gifts or talents has God trained me to do with my life?
and then learn what spiritual gifts God gives His people.
read I think its Romans 12 and 1 Corithians 12
they list them:
did you know mercy is a spiritual gift?
now don't let the darkness fool you and think that is all there is too it. Remember God and His vision of your life He gave you. You have a spiritual gift but I'm not sure if it is prophecy. You must look deeply inside your self and pray and read God's HOLY WORD and ask yourself some tough questions.1. what do I enjoy doing?
2. what gifts or talents has God trained me to do with my life?
and then learn what spiritual gifts God gives His people.
read I think its Romans 12 and 1 Corithians 12
they list them:
did you know mercy is a spiritual gift?
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Actually VW, that's not the point at all. The point of this thread is that you want us to believe that YOU have been given divine revelation NOT contained in the scriptures (God's Word) and claim having received as much directly from Jesus Christ Himself. What other "gifts of the Spirit" should we all know about and trust more than God's divinely inspired Word ?
I am saying that if we think we can have all we need to know about God from the bible, then we are deceived and wrong. Yes, scripture is complete, and does not need anything at all added to it. But, please understand that the revelation of God in Jesus Christ is beyond anything one can hold in their hand. Yes, all scripture is inspired by God, is from His mouth. But ask John, who wrote some of the deepest secrets of God to every be written by inspiration, just how little he really knew of Jesus. Remember, John was the disciple whom Jesus loved, who laid his head on Jesus' breast.
No, we are not anywhere near to knowing all there is to know about God, and we will not find that knowledge in its completeness in the bible.
It is telling, very telling, that so few can see the truth of this, and become defensive when any perceived attack on the bible is even imagined to be taking place.
Think and pray about that.
No, we are not anywhere near to knowing all there is to know about God, and we will not find that knowledge in its completeness in the bible.
It is telling, very telling, that so few can see the truth of this, and become defensive when any perceived attack on the bible is even imagined to be taking place.
Think and pray about that.
VW, your spiritual Gift is FAITH and you can grow it by using Encouragement. blessings of the Lord be with you.
Unclefester you have the gift of Knowledge but knowledge without love is but a clanging brass.
God's love to you both.
Unclefester you have the gift of Knowledge but knowledge without love is but a clanging brass.
God's love to you both.
Blessings in Christ,
VW, like the serpent in the garden, loves to play games with words to deceive people. Of course all knowledge about God is not contained in scriptures. God's knowledge is infinity, and could not be contained in any scriptures. And there is much that does not concern us.
God has revealed to us in scriptures what He wants us to know, and it is sufficient for us to know His will and for us to have a relationship with Him. It is also all that we need to know in order to know His redemptive plan, His purpose for us on the earth, and for us to enter into a covenant relationship with Jesus Christ as His sons and daughters.
He has already stated in an earlier thread that the scriptural canon receives it's authority from man, and not God, therefore the information contained in it is not reliable, therefore, we must depend on him, and his special relationship with God, to know what God's will is for us.
Even if we did require additional information to know God's will, each one of us, as Christians, has access to Holy Spirit.
In effect, he is saying that Holy Spirit, who resides in all Christians, is either powerless or unwilling to reveal God's will to us as individuals. Or, more likely, we are not worthy of receiving such information, and must therefore depend on him, who has been chosen as one worthy to receive God's will.
God has revealed to us in scriptures what He wants us to know, and it is sufficient for us to know His will and for us to have a relationship with Him. It is also all that we need to know in order to know His redemptive plan, His purpose for us on the earth, and for us to enter into a covenant relationship with Jesus Christ as His sons and daughters.
He has already stated in an earlier thread that the scriptural canon receives it's authority from man, and not God, therefore the information contained in it is not reliable, therefore, we must depend on him, and his special relationship with God, to know what God's will is for us.
Even if we did require additional information to know God's will, each one of us, as Christians, has access to Holy Spirit.
In effect, he is saying that Holy Spirit, who resides in all Christians, is either powerless or unwilling to reveal God's will to us as individuals. Or, more likely, we are not worthy of receiving such information, and must therefore depend on him, who has been chosen as one worthy to receive God's will.
Hmmm..............talk about twisting words.
What has happened is that the bible has become a stand-in for a relationship with God, for very many people. And the sad truth about this is that this stand-in will not and cannot replace God.
God wants us to know Him, as Father. God wants us to love Him, just as Jesus loves us. God wants us to be filled with love, for each other and for the lost in the world. God says that we will be known as His children, as the disciples of Jesus because we know and believe the bible. Oh, no, wait a minute. Jesus said that we would be know by all men as His disciples if we have love one for another.
We cannot love someone who we have never encountered, someone who is far off in the distance, who is writing us letters telling us how much he loves us. We cannot love God in this way either.
I tell you all plainly; that you have not come close to pleasing God. Neither have I, but not because I have stayed away from Him. I am not pleasing to Him because I am a sinner, remain a sinner even after knowing Him, after meeting Him. But I want to know Him, more than anything.
Eternal life is knowing God, the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom He sent.
It is up to us to reciprocate. God has made the first move. He gave His Son in order that we might be reconciled back to Him.
What has happened is that the bible has become a stand-in for a relationship with God, for very many people. And the sad truth about this is that this stand-in will not and cannot replace God.
God wants us to know Him, as Father. God wants us to love Him, just as Jesus loves us. God wants us to be filled with love, for each other and for the lost in the world. God says that we will be known as His children, as the disciples of Jesus because we know and believe the bible. Oh, no, wait a minute. Jesus said that we would be know by all men as His disciples if we have love one for another.
We cannot love someone who we have never encountered, someone who is far off in the distance, who is writing us letters telling us how much he loves us. We cannot love God in this way either.
I tell you all plainly; that you have not come close to pleasing God. Neither have I, but not because I have stayed away from Him. I am not pleasing to Him because I am a sinner, remain a sinner even after knowing Him, after meeting Him. But I want to know Him, more than anything.
Eternal life is knowing God, the one true God, and Jesus Christ whom He sent.
It is up to us to reciprocate. God has made the first move. He gave His Son in order that we might be reconciled back to Him.
That's incorrect. You cannot know God without knowing His word.
How do we get to know God? By knowing His Word.
Not quite... If you're a Christian, do you know what God sees when He looks at you? He sees a righteous son of God. Jesus Christ PAID for our sin. It's a done deal. We no longer are to condemn ourselves before God.
Yep. Learn who Christ was, act on Romans 10:9, and just like that, you become a Christian, and the journey starts.
How do we get to know God? By knowing His Word.
Not quite... If you're a Christian, do you know what God sees when He looks at you? He sees a righteous son of God. Jesus Christ PAID for our sin. It's a done deal. We no longer are to condemn ourselves before God.
Yep. Learn who Christ was, act on Romans 10:9, and just like that, you become a Christian, and the journey starts.
From a previous VW posting:
It should be noted that the bible was canonized by man, not by God. Or, are we to believe that God influenced a very ungodly man to canonize the bible?
Prophecy is not scripture.
[end of quote]
From your quote, it is obvious that you do not believe the bible to be divinely inspired.
It is also obvious that you believe your prophecy to be divinely inspired, and thus superior to the bible.
You are not worried about adding to the bible, as you said, the bible is complete. Your prophecy does not belong in the bible, because it is divinely inspired, while the bible is not.
Note: if the bible was canonized by man, then the bible is under the authority of man.
It should be noted that the bible was canonized by man, not by God. Or, are we to believe that God influenced a very ungodly man to canonize the bible?
Prophecy is not scripture.
[end of quote]
From your quote, it is obvious that you do not believe the bible to be divinely inspired.
It is also obvious that you believe your prophecy to be divinely inspired, and thus superior to the bible.
You are not worried about adding to the bible, as you said, the bible is complete. Your prophecy does not belong in the bible, because it is divinely inspired, while the bible is not.
Note: if the bible was canonized by man, then the bible is under the authority of man.
You know, a little common sense goes a long way. Many people in here don't seem to have any. If you look at the history of evangelism, starting with Paul, the spread of Christianity has always followed the spread of the Gospel. Why did Paul endure all of that hardship, when Holy Spirit could have just converted those people and started Christ's church for him? Why did Christ tell His apostles to GO INTO THE WORLD AND TEACH THE GOSPEL? Why is there millions of Christians all around the world being converted through the gospel message? Holy Spirit could have taught them without the bible, right VW? Why didn't God raise up prophets in all of those countries hundreds of years ago? For that matter, why didn't he raise them up in this country. We didn't seem to have any until the Pentecost movement.
Go take a poll of all the Christians in the world, and ask them how they received the message of Christ crucified and see what they say. I would be willing to bet that 99%+ of them will say that they were taught the gospel message from the bible!
Now I don't know about you, but common sense, based on known past experience, would seem to indicate that God intends to use His word, contained in the bible, to call those He wants to Christ's church.
Now Satan, he might have a different plan.
Go take a poll of all the Christians in the world, and ask them how they received the message of Christ crucified and see what they say. I would be willing to bet that 99%+ of them will say that they were taught the gospel message from the bible!
Now I don't know about you, but common sense, based on known past experience, would seem to indicate that God intends to use His word, contained in the bible, to call those He wants to Christ's church.
Now Satan, he might have a different plan.
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hey superdave did you know commonsense is the treasure given to the honest and a Gift from God? its in the bible. if you aren't honest you don't have common sense. Isn't God wonderful, you ask a question and He already has the answer in the Bible.
I couldn't figure out why it was so lacking in the world and God lead me to that verse and i'm like OH ok.
"He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. He is a shield to those who walk with integrity."
~ Proverbs 2:7, NLT
A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit saps a person's strength.
~ Proverbs 17:22, NLT
the last one was for you VW, remember to build your faith find encouragement in God's Holy word and give encouragement to others and strengthen their faith
Superdave meditate on the meaning of MERCY which is UNDESERVED grace.It is an aspect of LOVE that many with the spiritual gift of KNOWLEDGE forget.
Blessings to all God's children.
for those who think VW is a false prophet just leave him alone that is what JESUS TOLD HIS Disciples to do.
Matthew 15: 14
"LET them alone. they are blind leaders of the blind, and if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch"
(note I think VW is not a prophet but has the spiritual gift of faith but if YOU do then LISTEN to GOD and HIS words.) Paulnsilas you also have knowledge without mercy.
I couldn't figure out why it was so lacking in the world and God lead me to that verse and i'm like OH ok.
"He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. He is a shield to those who walk with integrity."
~ Proverbs 2:7, NLT
A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit saps a person's strength.
~ Proverbs 17:22, NLT
the last one was for you VW, remember to build your faith find encouragement in God's Holy word and give encouragement to others and strengthen their faith
Superdave meditate on the meaning of MERCY which is UNDESERVED grace.It is an aspect of LOVE that many with the spiritual gift of KNOWLEDGE forget.
Blessings to all God's children.
for those who think VW is a false prophet just leave him alone that is what JESUS TOLD HIS Disciples to do.
Matthew 15: 14
"LET them alone. they are blind leaders of the blind, and if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch"
(note I think VW is not a prophet but has the spiritual gift of faith but if YOU do then LISTEN to GOD and HIS words.) Paulnsilas you also have knowledge without mercy.
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This is gracious and objective concerning evey believer and what Christ is doing in the church and body of Christ. But VW and along with some others will not hear what you have said and think that it is coming from a man and not the Spirit. That is how they get out of receiving what you have to say. You could be Spirit-filled when you communicate, but they will not recognize nor honor in their spirit what you have communicated through grace.
I suppose that for the first 1700 years of the church, all of those believers were deceived, because there were not very many bibles in the world for them to read. And even if there were, almost none of them could read.
Common sense would say that they heard about the love of God some other way, maybe a Spirit-filled preacher, who spoke the words of God by the Spirit. Wait, isn't that the way that the apostles preached?
Yep, even in the very same way and in the very same power of God that Jesus preached.
I guess I don't have the same common sense as you guys.
I think, no, I know that I am blessed in that lack.
Common sense would say that they heard about the love of God some other way, maybe a Spirit-filled preacher, who spoke the words of God by the Spirit. Wait, isn't that the way that the apostles preached?
Yep, even in the very same way and in the very same power of God that Jesus preached.
I guess I don't have the same common sense as you guys.
I think, no, I know that I am blessed in that lack.
hey superdave did you know commonsense is the treasure given to the honest and a Gift from God? its in the bible. if you aren't honest you don't have common sense. Isn't God wonderful, you ask a question and He already has the answer in the Bible.
I couldn't figure out why it was so lacking in the world and God lead me to that verse and i'm like OH ok.
"He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. He is a shield to those who walk with integrity."
~ Proverbs 2:7, NLT
A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit saps a person's strength.
~ Proverbs 17:22, NLT
the last one was for you VW, remember to build your faith find encouragement in God's Holy word and give encouragement to others and strengthen their faith
Superdave meditate on the meaning of MERCY which is UNDESERVED grace.It is an aspect of LOVE that many with the spiritual gift of KNOWLEDGE forget.
Blessings to all God's children.
for those who think VW is a false prophet just leave him alone that is what JESUS TOLD HIS Disciples to do.
Matthew 15: 14
"LET them alone. they are blind leaders of the blind, and if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch"
(note I think VW is not a prophet but has the spiritual gift of faith but if YOU do then LISTEN to GOD and HIS words.) Paulnsilas you also have knowledge without mercy.
I couldn't figure out why it was so lacking in the world and God lead me to that verse and i'm like OH ok.
"He grants a treasure of common sense to the honest. He is a shield to those who walk with integrity."
~ Proverbs 2:7, NLT
A cheerful heart is good medicine, but a broken spirit saps a person's strength.
~ Proverbs 17:22, NLT
the last one was for you VW, remember to build your faith find encouragement in God's Holy word and give encouragement to others and strengthen their faith
Superdave meditate on the meaning of MERCY which is UNDESERVED grace.It is an aspect of LOVE that many with the spiritual gift of KNOWLEDGE forget.
Blessings to all God's children.
for those who think VW is a false prophet just leave him alone that is what JESUS TOLD HIS Disciples to do.
Matthew 15: 14
"LET them alone. they are blind leaders of the blind, and if the blind leads the blind, both will fall into a ditch"
(note I think VW is not a prophet but has the spiritual gift of faith but if YOU do then LISTEN to GOD and HIS words.) Paulnsilas you also have knowledge without mercy.