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thanks zack
all of John's writings present Jesus as God.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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Can there be any doubt that he [JOHN] who said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;" that he who said, "all things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made;" that he who recorded the declaration of the Saviour, "I and my Father are one," and the declaration of Thomas, "my Lord and my God," would apply to him the appellation "the true God!"
And eternal life - Having "life in himself," John 5:26, and the source and fountain of life to the soul. No more frequent appellation, perhaps, is given to the Saviour by John, than that he is life, and the source of life. Compare John 1:4; John 5:26, John 5:40; John 10:10; John 6:33, John 6:35, John 6:48, John 6:51, John 6:53, John 6:63; John 11:25; John 14:6; John 20:31; 1 John 1:1-2; 1 John 5:12.
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and i like old Wesley's comment on Titus:
2:13 Looking - With eager desire. For that glorious appearing - Which we hope for. Of the great God, even our Saviour Jesus Christ - So that, if there be (according to the Arian scheme) a great God and a little God, Christ is not the little God, but the great one.
and JFB:
Even the Socinian explanation, making "the great God" to be the Father, "our Saviour," the Son, places God and Christ on an equal relation to "the glory" of the future appearing: a fact incompatible with the notion that Christ is not divine; indeed it would be blasphemy so to couple any mere created being with God.
all of John's writings present Jesus as God.
1 John 5:20
And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.
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Can there be any doubt that he [JOHN] who said, "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;" that he who said, "all things were made by him, and without him was not anything made that was made;" that he who recorded the declaration of the Saviour, "I and my Father are one," and the declaration of Thomas, "my Lord and my God," would apply to him the appellation "the true God!"
And eternal life - Having "life in himself," John 5:26, and the source and fountain of life to the soul. No more frequent appellation, perhaps, is given to the Saviour by John, than that he is life, and the source of life. Compare John 1:4; John 5:26, John 5:40; John 10:10; John 6:33, John 6:35, John 6:48, John 6:51, John 6:53, John 6:63; John 11:25; John 14:6; John 20:31; 1 John 1:1-2; 1 John 5:12.
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and i like old Wesley's comment on Titus:
2:13 Looking - With eager desire. For that glorious appearing - Which we hope for. Of the great God, even our Saviour Jesus Christ - So that, if there be (according to the Arian scheme) a great God and a little God, Christ is not the little God, but the great one.
and JFB:
Even the Socinian
explanation, making "the great God" to be the Father, "our Saviour," the Son, places God and Christ on an equal relation to "the glory" of the future appearing: a fact incompatible with the notion that Christ is not divine; indeed it would be blasphemy so to couple any mere created being with God.
S
Dear zackabba
1. 1 John 5:20 in the KJV And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even his Son Jesus Christ.
1. 1 John 5:20 RSV And we know that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, to know him who is true; and we are in him who is true, in his Son Jesus Christ.
2. Titus 2:13 KJV Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
2. Titus 2:13 RSV awaiting our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,
Answer: In the proper translation of Titus 2:13 in the RSV the NKJV and other modern translations, the error of the KJV (King James Version) is corrected! Christ is God! In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington May 2011 AD
PS:
2. The RSV brings out the deity of our LORD Jesus Christ, as it obeys the Granville-Sharp grammatical rule; the KJV translators did not know the Granville-Sharp grammatical rule, so they said the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ, making it appear as if the great God was someone other than our Saviour Jesus Christ, and thus denying or questioning the deity, the divinity of Christ our LORD. Take care.
Z
Thank you, zone and Scotth, for your replies.
Scotth, and zone, if you both have time, I'd like you to look at this site:
Titus 2:13 – The Great God
It's really, really making me doubt the deity of Christ right now...I still believe he is the Son of God, and my Lord and Savior...but I'm just trying to figure out exactly what "Lord" means now.
But have a look at that site if you can...I know you two are wise and have a great knowledge of the Scriptures and Christ, and I just need someone's feedback/answers to these assertions (the site says that Christ is not God, but is fairly detailed in doing so)
And anyone else who comes on here, just look through it...though I don't want a stumbling block for anyone.
And above all, pray for me.
Grace and Love
Scotth, and zone, if you both have time, I'd like you to look at this site:
Titus 2:13 – The Great God
It's really, really making me doubt the deity of Christ right now...I still believe he is the Son of God, and my Lord and Savior...but I'm just trying to figure out exactly what "Lord" means now.
But have a look at that site if you can...I know you two are wise and have a great knowledge of the Scriptures and Christ, and I just need someone's feedback/answers to these assertions (the site says that Christ is not God, but is fairly detailed in doing so)
And anyone else who comes on here, just look through it...though I don't want a stumbling block for anyone.
And above all, pray for me.
Grace and Love
S
Dear zackabba, God bless you and help you to find the true faith. (Jude 3). If you still have doubts what the NT says about Jesus Christ being God, please read the entire chapter of Philippians, chapter 2. Use a KJV or RSV or other reliable translation
I recommend all of the following NEW TESTAMENTS
1 KJV King James Version
2 NKJV New King James Version
3 NASB New American Standard Bible
4 NIV New International Version
5 ESV English Standard Version
6 RSV Revised Standard Version
7 HCSB Holman Christian Standard Bible
8 NIrV New International Reader's Version
9 NEB New English Bible
10 REB Revised English Bible
11 NRSV New Revised Standard Version
12 AMP Amplified Bible
13 NASB95 New American Standard Bible, 1995 Update
14 ONT Orthodox New Testament
15 MKJV Modern King James Version
16 NAV TMB New Authorized Version Third Millennium Bible
17 KJ21 Twenty-first Century King James Version
18 EOB Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible, New Testament
19 NCV New Century Version
20 NLT New Living Translation
21 TNIV Today's New International Version
I recommend all of the following NEW TESTAMENTS
1 KJV King James Version
2 NKJV New King James Version
3 NASB New American Standard Bible
4 NIV New International Version
5 ESV English Standard Version
6 RSV Revised Standard Version
7 HCSB Holman Christian Standard Bible
8 NIrV New International Reader's Version
9 NEB New English Bible
10 REB Revised English Bible
11 NRSV New Revised Standard Version
12 AMP Amplified Bible
13 NASB95 New American Standard Bible, 1995 Update
14 ONT Orthodox New Testament
15 MKJV Modern King James Version
16 NAV TMB New Authorized Version Third Millennium Bible
17 KJ21 Twenty-first Century King James Version
18 EOB Eastern/Greek Orthodox Bible, New Testament
19 NCV New Century Version
20 NLT New Living Translation
21 TNIV Today's New International Version
Zackabba, on most Christian websites, to suggest that Jesus Christ is not God, but the only begotten Son of God, will likely get you branded an heretic. Or worse. But that is exactly what the bible teaches. There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Jesus Christ.
BiblicalUnitarian.com
BiblicalUnitarian.com
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Here is a verse that decribes that Jesus is God John 3:13--And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.
So while Jesus was on this earth talking to Nicodemous, he said that he was also in heaven. Lets see what the RSV says.
No one has ascended into heaven but he who desended from heaven, the Son of man.
You see that it left out the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, which is a huge attack on the deity of Christ. I think most of the other modern versions have this same mistake. But its not a mistake, it is a attack from the devil. God promise that his Word would never pass away. And since Satan can't destroy the Word of God (The Sword), he replaces it with garden tools, or new bible versions and slowly keeps putting more heresy in them.
So while Jesus was on this earth talking to Nicodemous, he said that he was also in heaven. Lets see what the RSV says.
No one has ascended into heaven but he who desended from heaven, the Son of man.
You see that it left out the Son of man WHICH IS IN HEAVEN, which is a huge attack on the deity of Christ. I think most of the other modern versions have this same mistake. But its not a mistake, it is a attack from the devil. God promise that his Word would never pass away. And since Satan can't destroy the Word of God (The Sword), he replaces it with garden tools, or new bible versions and slowly keeps putting more heresy in them.
hi zack.
maybe it's good that this has happened to you now.
you're a very young man, but an incredibly powerful Christian already.
it's natural enough you'll be tried.
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this site is 100% HERETICAL, and is attempting to renovate Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses: they claim they're not affilliated, and that may or may not be true.
if they are, they're lying, and if they're not, they're an even worse splinter group.
a total cult and everything on that site needs to be rejected.
here's another page on their site where they defend that devil Russell.
Founder of a False Religion?
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one thing that is good that can from this is that you see we all DO have to find out what the heretics teach, its one form of inoculation against their poison
pm me any time zack. i'm praying for you son.
you're doing fine.
zone
maybe it's good that this has happened to you now.
you're a very young man, but an incredibly powerful Christian already.
it's natural enough you'll be tried.
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this site is 100% HERETICAL, and is attempting to renovate Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Watchtower and the Jehovah's Witnesses: they claim they're not affilliated, and that may or may not be true.
if they are, they're lying, and if they're not, they're an even worse splinter group.
a total cult and everything on that site needs to be rejected.
here's another page on their site where they defend that devil Russell.
Founder of a False Religion?
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one thing that is good that can from this is that you see we all DO have to find out what the heretics teach, its one form of inoculation against their poison
pm me any time zack. i'm praying for you son.
you're doing fine.
zone
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Z
Hey,
Thank you for that site...just one thing, though.
They say that "Nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly say that you must believe in the Trinity."
BiblicalUnitarian.com - Must One Believe in the Trinity to Be Saved?
I would agree. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.
...and yet, I would ask them the same question as far as tongues.
Where in the Bible does it say, explicitly, that speaking in tongues is proof that you're saved?
I believe that looking at that site actually strengthened my belief in the Trinity today.
For instance, on the link above the author gives a list of places in the Bible, such as in Acts, where the Trinity is "never mentioned." Yet in almost every single one of the passages he gives I can see, in the full context of each chapter, the Trinity being mentioned (no, Luke does not say "well, here's the Trinity...").
Also, I found his "reinterpretation" of what Jesus should have said on the Sermon on the Mount had the Trinity been true to Jesus...quite fallible.
(For instance, why would God say that "You have heard that God is one. but..." Why would he add anything on? God is one, nothing needs to be added)
Grace and Love
Thank you for that site...just one thing, though.
They say that "Nowhere in the Bible does it explicitly say that you must believe in the Trinity."
BiblicalUnitarian.com - Must One Believe in the Trinity to Be Saved?
I would agree. The word "Trinity" is not in the Bible.
...and yet, I would ask them the same question as far as tongues.
Where in the Bible does it say, explicitly, that speaking in tongues is proof that you're saved?
I believe that looking at that site actually strengthened my belief in the Trinity today.
For instance, on the link above the author gives a list of places in the Bible, such as in Acts, where the Trinity is "never mentioned." Yet in almost every single one of the passages he gives I can see, in the full context of each chapter, the Trinity being mentioned (no, Luke does not say "well, here's the Trinity...").
Also, I found his "reinterpretation" of what Jesus should have said on the Sermon on the Mount had the Trinity been true to Jesus...quite fallible.
(For instance, why would God say that "You have heard that God is one. but..." Why would he add anything on? God is one, nothing needs to be added)
Grace and Love
one thing that is easy to spot with some of these cults is when they insist on only "Yaweh"; they are generally zionists; most have roots in the mystery schools....there's a reason these guys appear on the scene.
CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL, TEMPLAR:
We are indebted to the extensive information found on Randall Watters website (Freeminds.org - Discover The Truth About Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society - Home | Freeminds.org - Discover The Truth About Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society) which included a Special 1913 Convention Report of the Internal Bible Students. Under the subject of "The Temple of Gods" is a discourse by Pastor Russell reported verbatim on pages 120-127. Russell's own comments on this very speculation once and for all. Was he a Mason?
It is evident he was familiar with the Masons. In the beginning of the discourse he point out how he is "more" than many of the groups, Masons included. These first set of quotes are all found on page 120.
"Do our Masonic friends understand something about the Temple, and being Knights Templars and so on? We more." He goes on to say that Masons and other have.. "that little bit of truth".
Russell admits ".. we remember we had very similar ideas, and not very long ago; but, without finding any fault with anybody, we are glad that we are coming to see a more reasonable and harmonious way.. "
He next moves on to points where he agrees with the Masons. A very careful reading is needed here, because if one or two sentences are taken out of context it would indeed appear that Russell was a Mason. Notice that he refers to Mason as "them" and "they", excluding himself and the brethren.
"I am very glad to have this particular opportunity of saying a word about some of the things in which we agree with our Masonic friends, because we are speaking in a building dedicated to Masonry and we also are Masons. I am a Free Mason. I am a free and accepted Mason, if I may carry the matter to its full length, because that is what our Masonic brethren like to tell us, that they are free and accepted Masons. That is their style of putting it. Now I am a free and accepted Mason. I trust we all are. But not after the style of our Masonic brethren. We have no quarrel with them. I am not going to say a word against Masons, and I can appreciate that there are certain very precious truths that are held in part by our Masonic friends. I have talked to them at times, and they have said, How do you know about all these things? We thought nobody knew anything about these things except those who had access to our highest logic."
So, Russell did say "Now I am a free and accepted Mason" but, in context it is obvious he was not, because he included all his brethren in the faith as being "Masons" as well. He also said they were all Masons, but "not after the style of our Masonic brethren."
Russell went on to place himself above the Masons because he felt he had more "secrets" than they did, his coming from the Lord himself!
"I said that I had been in conference with the Great Master Workman, the Lord himself, and I have secret information through the Holy Spirit and guidance in respect to what the Bible says, and that contains all the truth, I believe on every subject. And so if we talk to our Masonic friends about the Temple and its meaning, and about being good Masons, and about the Great Pyramid, which is the very emblem they use, and what the Great Pyramid signifies, our Masonic friends are astonished.. We are going to discuss free and accepted Masonry.. the Bible Masonry, my dear friends."
Was Charles Taze Russell a Mason?
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RUSSELL wiki
Charles Taze Russell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
now would we listen to the teachings of anyone who had this gravestone?
CHARLES TAZE RUSSELL, TEMPLAR:
We are indebted to the extensive information found on Randall Watters website (Freeminds.org - Discover The Truth About Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society - Home | Freeminds.org - Discover The Truth About Jehovah's Witnesses and the Watchtower Society) which included a Special 1913 Convention Report of the Internal Bible Students. Under the subject of "The Temple of Gods" is a discourse by Pastor Russell reported verbatim on pages 120-127. Russell's own comments on this very speculation once and for all. Was he a Mason?
It is evident he was familiar with the Masons. In the beginning of the discourse he point out how he is "more" than many of the groups, Masons included. These first set of quotes are all found on page 120.
"Do our Masonic friends understand something about the Temple, and being Knights Templars and so on? We more." He goes on to say that Masons and other have.. "that little bit of truth".
Russell admits ".. we remember we had very similar ideas, and not very long ago; but, without finding any fault with anybody, we are glad that we are coming to see a more reasonable and harmonious way.. "
He next moves on to points where he agrees with the Masons. A very careful reading is needed here, because if one or two sentences are taken out of context it would indeed appear that Russell was a Mason. Notice that he refers to Mason as "them" and "they", excluding himself and the brethren.
"I am very glad to have this particular opportunity of saying a word about some of the things in which we agree with our Masonic friends, because we are speaking in a building dedicated to Masonry and we also are Masons. I am a Free Mason. I am a free and accepted Mason, if I may carry the matter to its full length, because that is what our Masonic brethren like to tell us, that they are free and accepted Masons. That is their style of putting it. Now I am a free and accepted Mason. I trust we all are. But not after the style of our Masonic brethren. We have no quarrel with them. I am not going to say a word against Masons, and I can appreciate that there are certain very precious truths that are held in part by our Masonic friends. I have talked to them at times, and they have said, How do you know about all these things? We thought nobody knew anything about these things except those who had access to our highest logic."
So, Russell did say "Now I am a free and accepted Mason" but, in context it is obvious he was not, because he included all his brethren in the faith as being "Masons" as well. He also said they were all Masons, but "not after the style of our Masonic brethren."
Russell went on to place himself above the Masons because he felt he had more "secrets" than they did, his coming from the Lord himself!
"I said that I had been in conference with the Great Master Workman, the Lord himself, and I have secret information through the Holy Spirit and guidance in respect to what the Bible says, and that contains all the truth, I believe on every subject. And so if we talk to our Masonic friends about the Temple and its meaning, and about being good Masons, and about the Great Pyramid, which is the very emblem they use, and what the Great Pyramid signifies, our Masonic friends are astonished.. We are going to discuss free and accepted Masonry.. the Bible Masonry, my dear friends."
Was Charles Taze Russell a Mason?
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RUSSELL wiki
Charles Taze Russell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
now would we listen to the teachings of anyone who had this gravestone?
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Zac
As one who you are aware sees Christ as the son of God I would like to explain a few things to you if I may. And I hope you believe that I do not want to see you or anyone else in doubt concerning Christianity.
Before I get to the subject in hand, can I just say a couple of things.
Internet Christian websites are not always the best places for growing in Christ. They can often become places where just theology itself is the main focus. This may sound a strange thing to say, but Christianity is about a heartfelt relationship with Christ, not a set of doctrines that that often come accross as rules for being a Christian. Christianity must be of the heart and not the head.
So how do we come to understanding as a Christian? Well many will tell you it is by striving to learn by reading up on many scholars/theologians, continually reading the Bible Although the latter is very important,I do not see the basis of knoiwing truth that way. It is the Holy Spirit that leads into truth, that is Biblical truth. So what would bring a person to have truth revealerd to them by the Spirit in ever greater degree?
I believe it is how much we love God in our hearts. The more we love God, the closer we come to him through his son, the more we yield our lives to him the more the Holy Spirit can dominate our lives, the more truth we know. If we go searching for truth/knowledge as our goal, could our focus become knowledge rather than Christ? So to me truth comes from firstly loving God.
As to my beliefs on this subject. I see Jesus as being the divine son of God, and I doubt I would see the nature of Jesus as any differently from you. The fulness of the Godhead bodily resides in Christ. So we can say that the Father is fully in his son. So you and I would agree on this point. But where I disagree with others is. I believe this is because the Holy Spirit fully exhibits in Christ. The third person of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus said to his disciples
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or at least believe because of the evidence of the miracles themselves
John 14:11
But Jesus acknowledged that the miracles he performed were by the power of the Holy Spirit
Matt 12:31
So the Father was fully in the son via the Spirit
Jesus also lived in the power of the Holy Spirit
Luke 4:14
At Jesus baptiosm the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form
Luke 3:22
If we think about what that means, Jesus had the spirit of his Father on him completely
So, if you have seen me you have seen the Father. Jesus actions, love, mercy, compassion etc were all driven by the Spirit within him, he reflected the person of the Father completely.
Has anyone ever lived in Heaven or on earth who has the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwelling in them? No!
When I pray and talk to Jesus I do not see a man, but the Holy Son of God. Jesus, a true reflection of who the Father is.
But I do not believe that makes Jesus God Himself, though God Himself through the Spirit radiates from every part of the person of Christ. So I wonder if there is that much defference between us as to the person of who Jesus is in nature or the qualities he possesses
So to me scripture fits far better if we acknowledge that the son of God is the divine son of God. The fulness of the Godhead rests in the son. He radiates the person of who the Father is, but he remains the son.
I did have a brief look at that website
Over 500 times Paul refers to the Father as God, but he refers to Jesus as Lord
IMO the only way you will have peace on this or any other issue is to come before God in sincerity and ask him to show you the truth concernig this or any other subject, and he will do it, He will give you an understanding He would want you to have. It is for us to trust him to do it
I would say do not look to people on cc for the answers to things that trouble you(including me) look to God who can convict you in your heart of the truth He wants you to believe
People are fallible, God is not.
As one who you are aware sees Christ as the son of God I would like to explain a few things to you if I may. And I hope you believe that I do not want to see you or anyone else in doubt concerning Christianity.
Before I get to the subject in hand, can I just say a couple of things.
Internet Christian websites are not always the best places for growing in Christ. They can often become places where just theology itself is the main focus. This may sound a strange thing to say, but Christianity is about a heartfelt relationship with Christ, not a set of doctrines that that often come accross as rules for being a Christian. Christianity must be of the heart and not the head.
So how do we come to understanding as a Christian? Well many will tell you it is by striving to learn by reading up on many scholars/theologians, continually reading the Bible Although the latter is very important,I do not see the basis of knoiwing truth that way. It is the Holy Spirit that leads into truth, that is Biblical truth. So what would bring a person to have truth revealerd to them by the Spirit in ever greater degree?
I believe it is how much we love God in our hearts. The more we love God, the closer we come to him through his son, the more we yield our lives to him the more the Holy Spirit can dominate our lives, the more truth we know. If we go searching for truth/knowledge as our goal, could our focus become knowledge rather than Christ? So to me truth comes from firstly loving God.
As to my beliefs on this subject. I see Jesus as being the divine son of God, and I doubt I would see the nature of Jesus as any differently from you. The fulness of the Godhead bodily resides in Christ. So we can say that the Father is fully in his son. So you and I would agree on this point. But where I disagree with others is. I believe this is because the Holy Spirit fully exhibits in Christ. The third person of Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
Jesus said to his disciples
Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, or at least believe because of the evidence of the miracles themselves
John 14:11
But Jesus acknowledged that the miracles he performed were by the power of the Holy Spirit
Matt 12:31
So the Father was fully in the son via the Spirit
Jesus also lived in the power of the Holy Spirit
Luke 4:14
At Jesus baptiosm the Holy Spirit descended on him in bodily form
Luke 3:22
If we think about what that means, Jesus had the spirit of his Father on him completely
So, if you have seen me you have seen the Father. Jesus actions, love, mercy, compassion etc were all driven by the Spirit within him, he reflected the person of the Father completely.
Has anyone ever lived in Heaven or on earth who has the fulness of the Godhead bodily dwelling in them? No!
When I pray and talk to Jesus I do not see a man, but the Holy Son of God. Jesus, a true reflection of who the Father is.
But I do not believe that makes Jesus God Himself, though God Himself through the Spirit radiates from every part of the person of Christ. So I wonder if there is that much defference between us as to the person of who Jesus is in nature or the qualities he possesses
So to me scripture fits far better if we acknowledge that the son of God is the divine son of God. The fulness of the Godhead rests in the son. He radiates the person of who the Father is, but he remains the son.
I did have a brief look at that website
Over 500 times Paul refers to the Father as God, but he refers to Jesus as Lord
IMO the only way you will have peace on this or any other issue is to come before God in sincerity and ask him to show you the truth concernig this or any other subject, and he will do it, He will give you an understanding He would want you to have. It is for us to trust him to do it
I would say do not look to people on cc for the answers to things that trouble you(including me) look to God who can convict you in your heart of the truth He wants you to believe
People are fallible, God is not.
Hi zackabba,
This may help:
The New Testament abounds with proof for the deity of Jesus Christ. In eight passages, Jesus is described by the Greek word Theos (God): John 1:1-3; 1:18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1; 1 John 5:20. Divine attributes, such as eternality (Isa. 9:6; John 1:1,2; Rev. 1:8; 22:13), omnipresence (Matt. 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13), omniscience (John 2:24,25; 21:17; Rev. 2:23), omnipotence (Isa. 9:6; Phil. 3:21; Rev. 1:8), immutability (Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8), and in general, every attribute of the Father is ascribed to the Son (Col. 2:9).
The New Testament also depicts Jesus as exercising Divine prerogatives and works: creation (John 1:3,10; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2,10), providence (Luke 10:22; John 3:35; 17:2; Eph. 1:22; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3), the forgiveness of sins (Matt. 9:2-7; Mark 2:7-10; Col. 3:13), resurrection and judgment (Matt. 25:31,32; John 5:19-29; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Phil. 3:21; 2 Tim. 4:1), and the final dissolution and renewal of all things (Eph. 1:10; Heb. 1:10-12; Phil. 3:21; Rev. 21:5) (see: Systematic Theology by Louis Berkhof, p. 94, 95).
The New Testament also affirms the deity of Jesus in calling him Yahweh. Old Testament prophecies concerning Yahweh are quoted in the New Testament as being references to Jesus (compare Mal. 3:1 and Luke 1:76; Joel 2:32 and Rom. 10:13; Isa. 45:23 and Rom. 14:10). (Buswell, p. 104, 105). These examples are adequate to demonstrate that the New Testament contains a myriad of proof for the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is an extract from :: www.monergism.com which will provide you with good resources.
This may help:
The New Testament abounds with proof for the deity of Jesus Christ. In eight passages, Jesus is described by the Greek word Theos (God): John 1:1-3; 1:18; 20:28; Rom. 9:5; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8; 2 Pet. 1:1; 1 John 5:20. Divine attributes, such as eternality (Isa. 9:6; John 1:1,2; Rev. 1:8; 22:13), omnipresence (Matt. 18:20; 28:20; John 3:13), omniscience (John 2:24,25; 21:17; Rev. 2:23), omnipotence (Isa. 9:6; Phil. 3:21; Rev. 1:8), immutability (Heb. 1:10-12; 13:8), and in general, every attribute of the Father is ascribed to the Son (Col. 2:9).
The New Testament also depicts Jesus as exercising Divine prerogatives and works: creation (John 1:3,10; Col. 1:16; Heb. 1:2,10), providence (Luke 10:22; John 3:35; 17:2; Eph. 1:22; Col. 1:17; Heb. 1:3), the forgiveness of sins (Matt. 9:2-7; Mark 2:7-10; Col. 3:13), resurrection and judgment (Matt. 25:31,32; John 5:19-29; Acts 10:42; 17:31; Phil. 3:21; 2 Tim. 4:1), and the final dissolution and renewal of all things (Eph. 1:10; Heb. 1:10-12; Phil. 3:21; Rev. 21:5) (see: Systematic Theology by Louis Berkhof, p. 94, 95).
The New Testament also affirms the deity of Jesus in calling him Yahweh. Old Testament prophecies concerning Yahweh are quoted in the New Testament as being references to Jesus (compare Mal. 3:1 and Luke 1:76; Joel 2:32 and Rom. 10:13; Isa. 45:23 and Rom. 14:10). (Buswell, p. 104, 105). These examples are adequate to demonstrate that the New Testament contains a myriad of proof for the deity of Jesus Christ.
This is an extract from :: www.monergism.com which will provide you with good resources.
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Thank you for your post.
You're right: We should approach God honestly with our hearts, and humble ourselves before Him and think about Him more then any doctrines...I don't think it's necessarily wrong to think about who He is, as we are to love Him with our heart, soul, and mind, but I know what you're saying.
I'm not going to argue about anything, but I just have a question:
If Jesus isn't the God-man, then who is he?
Is he just man, then?
Here's my thing with it (and I'm really not trying to get down on you about anything, honest, just showing you my view):
Jesus is God's son...
...so doesn't that make Him, in nature, deity?
Because exactly what is deity now?
We would say YHWH...but if Jesus isn't in nature God, then what is he? Just man?
Grace and Love,
You're right: We should approach God honestly with our hearts, and humble ourselves before Him and think about Him more then any doctrines...I don't think it's necessarily wrong to think about who He is, as we are to love Him with our heart, soul, and mind, but I know what you're saying.
I'm not going to argue about anything, but I just have a question:
If Jesus isn't the God-man, then who is he?
Is he just man, then?
Here's my thing with it (and I'm really not trying to get down on you about anything, honest, just showing you my view):
Jesus is God's son...
...so doesn't that make Him, in nature, deity?
Because exactly what is deity now?
We would say YHWH...but if Jesus isn't in nature God, then what is he? Just man?
Grace and Love,
N
That site is pretty great...and they use a lot of scripture for everything. Check it out
What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?
What does the Bible teach about the Trinity?
Yes, He is.
Human. Just like any other human, EXCEPT God was his father, so His blood was pure, and he did not inherit the sinful nature every other man has. Remember, "the" passover sacrifice had to be a "lamb from the flock". If he was deity, he would not be "from the flock".
Jesus being a man takes absolutely nothing away from who he was or what he accomplished for us, and it keeps God in His rightful position as the one true God.
Human. Just like any other human, EXCEPT God was his father, so His blood was pure, and he did not inherit the sinful nature every other man has. Remember, "the" passover sacrifice had to be a "lamb from the flock". If he was deity, he would not be "from the flock".
Jesus being a man takes absolutely nothing away from who he was or what he accomplished for us, and it keeps God in His rightful position as the one true God.
Z
But aren't we all called "sons of God" as believers (children of God)?
Why is Jesus called the only son of God if he's just a human being?
And, if Jesus is only human, then why is he worshiped on the same level as God in Revelation 5? Why is the Lamb, in the midst of the throne, worshiped and given the same blessings as God on the throne?
Also, isn't Jesus identified as God if you compare Titus 1:3 with verse 4?
but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,
To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
(The same word, sOtEros, Saviour, is used for both God and the Lord Jesus Christ)
Why is Jesus called the only son of God if he's just a human being?
And, if Jesus is only human, then why is he worshiped on the same level as God in Revelation 5? Why is the Lamb, in the midst of the throne, worshiped and given the same blessings as God on the throne?
Also, isn't Jesus identified as God if you compare Titus 1:3 with verse 4?
but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,
To Titus, my true child in a common faith: Grace and peace from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Savior.
(The same word, sOtEros, Saviour, is used for both God and the Lord Jesus Christ)
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