Baptism of the Holy Spirit

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WordGaurdian

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I'm curious, cause I would find this most interesting. Where in the Bible does it talk about a Apostolic Era and where is it indicated where its beginning shall be and where its end shall be.

as for this...

1 Corinthians 13
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known

Let me aid you in the scripture you showd us. 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
And this I don't deny at all. For if we are in heaven one day, there will be no further need for those gifts. Because why would you heal, if no one got sick. Or prophecy, if you could merely ask God. Or ask for a Word of Knowledge, when there are libraries filled with knowledge. Or understanding of tongues, if you understood all tongues. Which is why we then will have it not in PART (partial) but in FULL. Because we will experience the FULLNESS of God.

SO am I understanding you correctly that you stated the perfect came already for you... because that would mean Biblically speaking you are now in His Fullness. Because verse 10 clearly states the time frame when it will happen.
 
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The answers to the questions ive been repeating throughout this thread and desperately seek answers too. How do people receive the baptism of the spirit? What happens to us nowadays when we get it? How does it change someones relationship with God? Do we receive anything by getting baptized?
When God sees the sincerity in our hearts, he rewards us. He gives us a little help (big one really) and baptises us with the holy spirit. We can be anywhere when we recieve it. We can be walking, sleeping, praying, talking, fasting, whatever...

When we recieve the holy spirit, we recieve the spirit of truth, and not another spirit. He does not want us to stray or be decieved so this is the help he gives. This HS is invisible and guides us to all truth. If we keep feeding the spirit it will grow. The more we feed, the more it grows. Every one will have a different measure of the spirit according how much they feed it. You will know when you recieve it, because you will realise something that the world doesn't recognise and it will sit tight in your soul. You may cry when you recieve it, or shout for joy. Either way you will be elated because you will feel like a lost child who has just been found. You will never deny our Father and Lord Jesus Christ ever... from here on..The HS will guide you to all truth, and the truth comforts because we know we are not alone & help has arrived.

The holy spirit is the Spirit of Truth and the Comforter.

John 14:15 If you love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you forever;

John 14:17 Even the SPIRIT OF TRUTH; whom the world cannot recieve, because it sees him not, neither knows him: but you know him; for he dwells with you, and shall be in you.

Dont get confused with being touched by the holy spirit. This can happen to many, and anyone. These ones can fall away anytime. It is something God gave them to realise him at that moment. Being baptised is so much more and seals our joining to him. Once we have this holy spirit, we can never turn back. If we do, we will be blashpheming the HS.

Only God can baptise with the HS and will give it to whom he choses because he sees inside the heart.

John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which has sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
 

zone

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I'm curious, cause I would find this most interesting. Where in the Bible does it talk about a Apostolic Era and where is it indicated where its beginning shall be and where its end shall be. .
NOBODY BUT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE NAR (NEW), Five-Fold Ministry (NEW), and Charismtaics (NEW) ever believed there were Apostles (or ANY of those Acts "gifts") after the Apostolic Age.

NO ONE. search ANY Apostolic Age source yourself.....PLEASE DO.

Apostolic Age
(30-100 AD)

I. Introduction
The closing years of the apostolic age (70-100 A.D.) remain one of the obscurest periods of church history due to the scantiness of information relating to this period. It seems that all of the New Testament books, except for John's writings (95-98 A.D.), had been written by the time Jerusalem was destroyed (70 A.D.). Consequently, there is little information provided in the Scriptures as to what occurred among Christians during this period. Information from sources outside the Scriptures is likewise sparse. Yet, the close of the apostolic age is one of the more important periods of church history because of its transitional nature. It was during this time that a second generation of Christians arose, and churches were making the move from direct apostolic oversight and influence to entirely independent and local management of their affairs as the apostles began to fade from the earthly scene. These years, then, were practically the first period of post-apostolic church history and would be the seedbed of problems which confronted the church in the years immediately following the deaths of the apostles.

II. The Ministries and Deaths of the Apostles
Legends concerning the ministries and deaths of Christ's apostles abound, but there is little Scriptural information of such. Therefore, what the apostles did in their later years and how they died may be regarded as quite uncertain. Despite some severe persecutions, it appears that the apostles remained in Jerusalem until at least the time of the Jerusalem conference in 50 A.D. (Acts 8:1; 15:6). James, the brother of John, had been put to death by King Agrippa I in 44 A.D. (Acts 12:1, 2). Aside from Peter, John, Jude (vs. 1), and Paul, none of the apostles is mentioned by name after 50 A.D. However, there are a few indications that the original apostles, especially Peter and John, eventually traveled and labored outside Judea. (1) Firstly, they were under instructions from Christ to go into all the world (Matt. 28:19; Mk. 16:15). (2) When Paul returned to Jerusalem for the last time in 58 A.D., mention is made of him meeting with the elders only (Acts 21:17,18) - an indication that the apostles were away from Jerusalem. (3) There are implications or plain statements to the effect that the original apostles, especially Peter and John, did carry their ministries beyond Judea (I Cor. 1:12; 9:5; I Pet. 1:1; 5:13; Rev. 1:9). It is a controversial matter whether or not Peter became the bishop of the church in Rome, as Roman Catholicism claims, but there is no sure evidence that he ever entered that city. Tradition has Peter put to death in Rome about 64 A.D. by being crucified upside down (that position being requested by him supposedly because of a feeling of unworthiness to be crucified just as his Lord was). It is noteworthy that Christ did predict a martyr's death for Peter (Jn. 21:18,19). It is thought that Paul was beheaded right outside Rome in 68 A.D. (II Tim. 4: 6-8,16-18). John supposedly lived and labored in Ephesus during his later years, being the only apostle allowed to die a natural death. The lives, ministries, and deaths of the rest of the apostles are far more unknown..

III. The Spread and Development of the Church
The church grew vigorously during its early years. Thousands upon thousands of Jews were brought to Christ as the gospel was preached within Judea (Acts 2:41; 4:4; 6:7). This pattern of rapid growth continued as the church made its way among the Gentile nations (Acts 16:5). Paul was highly instrumental in getting the gospel to the Gentiles and Jews of Asia Minor, Macedonia, and Achaia. However, he was not entirely alone in this effort. A strong church was already well established in Rome when he arrived in that city, and before Paul's death Peter is able to write to Christians scattered throughout the northern and western sections of Asia Minor, regions of which there is no record of Paul having visited. Paul did say he preached the gospel as far as Illyricum (northwest of Macedonia) and had aspirations of going to Spain (Rom. 15:19,24). There is no record of Paul evangelizing the island of Crete, but in his waning years it was needful for him to leave Titus there with instructions to appoint elders in every city (Tit. 1:5). At the very end of his life he mentions that Titus had gone to Dalmatia (II Tim. 4:10). Indeed, while writing the Colossian brethren from Rome as a prisoner (61-63 A.D.), he feels justified in saying that the gospel had been preached "in all creation under heaven" (Col. 1:23). There is no reason to believe that this rapid growth did not continue in the last few decades of the First Century, for early Christians were zealously evangelistic. As a matter of fact, when John wrote his Revelation (95 A.D.) there were at least ten known churches in the province of Asia alone.

However, dark, foreboding clouds lay on the horizon. The latest writings of the New Testament (John's books) seem to confirm the existence of the apostasies that Paul prophesied (Acts 20:29, I Tim. 4:1-3; II Tim. 3:1-9; 4:3, 4). Men did arise to usurp preeminence and authority over God's people (III Jn. 9,10), and by the end of the First Century only two of the seven churches mentioned in John's Revelation are in very good spiritual condition (Rev. 2,3). Even the mediocre ones had problems with false teachers and immorality in their midst (Rev. 2:14,15 , 20-24). It is probable that the conditions which prevailed among the Asian churches were typical of all the churches at the end of the First Century. John's writings seem designed to combat incipient heresies concerning the nature of Christ. "Antichrists" had already arrived on the scene prior to his death (I Jn. 2:18; 4:3; II Jn. 7). Such were to constitute major enemies of the cause of Christ in the years to come.

IV. Relations with Judaism and the Roman Government
Although relations between Christians and the unbelieving Jews appear to have been cordial at first (Acts 2:47), the unbelieving Jewish leadership, unable to co-exist peaceably with the preaching of the gospel of Jesus Christ, instigated severe persecutions against Christians. These persecutions continued until the destruction of Jerusalem and eventually became generalized enough to build up in the common Jewish mind a prejudice and hostility toward the church.

The relations of the church with the Roman government were likewise initially favorable. The church was viewed by the Romans in the early years as a branch of Judaism. However, the attacks of the Jewish community upon the church, as well as the distinctive doctrines and practices of the latter, soon clarified things. Nevertheless, Christians did not become the targets of Roman persecution until Nero cast the blame upon them for the catastrophe fire which burned much of Rome in 64 A.D. Consequently, they were subjected to the most horrid deaths. However, the Neronian persecution seems to have been brief and local. It was not until the reign of Domitian (81-96 A.D.) that a general persecution of Christians by the Roman government broke out. From then on such persecutions continued intermittently until the reign of the emperor Constantine in the early Fourth Century A.D. Though prejudice caused by misrepresentations and misunderstandings prevailed among the common people, the hostility of the Roman government was basically political in nature. Because Christians refused to burn incense to the deified Roman emperor, an act which the Romans viewed as an expression of loyalty and patriotism but which Christians viewed as idolatry, they were regarded as treasonous and worthy of death. John's Revelation was written to reassure Christians caught up in the persecutions of Domitian.

V. The Completion of the New Testament
Of course, as the apostles began to disappear from the earthly scene, miraculous powers among Christians began to fade away with them (I Cor. 13:8-10). However, in their place was left something equally effective: the New Testament. The books constituting the New Testament were penned by eight inspired men, especially Paul. All but John's writings are believed by conservative scholars to have been written 50-70 A.D. prior to the destruction of Jerusalem. John's books are believed to have been written in the last decade of the First Century (95-98 A.D.). The New Testament serves as an infallible, all-sufficient, incorruptible, indestructible guide for the Christian (II Tim. 3:16,17; I Pet. 1:23-25).

http://www.bible.ca/history/eubanks/history-eubanks-5.htm


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Question: "Does the Bible record the death of the apostles? How did each of the apostles die?"

Answer: The only apostle whose death the Bible records is James (Acts 12:2). King Herod had James “put to death with the sword,” likely a reference to beheading. The circumstances of the deaths of the other apostles are related through church tradition, so we should not put too much weight on any of the other accounts. The most commonly accepted church tradition in regard to the death of an apostle is that the apostle Peter was crucified upside-down on an x-shaped cross in Rome in fulfillment of Jesus’ prophecy (John 21:18). The following are the most popular “traditions” concerning the deaths of the other apostles:

Matthew suffered martyrdom in Ethiopia, killed by a sword wound. John faced martyrdom when he was boiled in a huge basin of boiling oil during a wave of persecution in Rome. However, he was miraculously delivered from death. John was then sentenced to the mines on the prison island of Patmos. He wrote his prophetic book of Revelation on Patmos. The apostle John was later freed and returned to what is now modern-day Turkey. He died as an old man, the only apostle to die peacefully.

James, the brother of Jesus (not officially an apostle), was the leader of the church in Jerusalem. He was thrown from the southeast pinnacle of the temple (over a hundred feet down) when he refused to deny his faith in Christ. When they discovered that he survived the fall, his enemies beat James to death with a club. This is thought to be the same pinnacle where Satan had taken Jesus during the temptation.

Bartholomew, also known as Nathanael, was a missionary to Asia. He witnessed in present-day Turkey and was martyred for his preaching in Armenia, being flayed to death by a whip. Andrew was crucified on an x-shaped cross in Greece. After being whipped severely by seven soldiers, they tied his body to the cross with cords to prolong his agony. His followers reported that when he was led toward the cross, Andrew saluted it in these words: “I have long desired and expected this happy hour. The cross has been consecrated by the body of Christ hanging on it.” He continued to preach to his tormentors for two days until he died. The apostle Thomas was stabbed with a spear in India during one of his missionary trips to establish the church there. Matthias, the apostle chosen to replace the traitor Judas Iscariot, was stoned and then beheaded. The apostle Paul was tortured and then beheaded by the evil Emperor Nero in Rome in A.D. 67. There are traditions regarding the other apostles as well, but none with any reliable historical or traditional support.

It is not so important how the apostles died. What is important is the fact that they were all willing to die for their faith. If Jesus had not been resurrected, the disciples would have known it. People will not die for something they know to be a lie.

The fact that all of the apostles were willing to die horrible deaths, refusing to renounce their faith in Christ, is tremendous evidence that they had truly witnessed the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Does the Bible record the death of the apostles? How did each of the apostles die?

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as for this...

1 Corinthians 13
8 Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways. 12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known

Let me aid you in the scripture you showd us. 10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
And this I don't deny at all. For if we are in heaven one day, there will be no further need for those gifts. Because why would you heal, if no one got sick. Or prophecy, if you could merely ask God. Or ask for a Word of Knowledge, when there are libraries filled with knowledge. Or understanding of tongues, if you understood all tongues. Which is why we then will have it not in PART (partial) but in FULL. Because we will experience the FULLNESS of God.

SO am I understanding you correctly that you stated the perfect came already for you... because that would mean Biblically speaking you are now in His Fullness. Because verse 10 clearly states the time frame when it will happen.
TAKE EVERYTHING you as an 'Apostle', and your buddy the 'prophet', or somebody chirping glossolalia, or a guy who stands up and gives 'a word of knowledge' and ADD IT ALL TOGETHER. and if it adds ANYTHING to what is already written:

1) you are under the warning of Rev 22
2) it's ALL still PARTIAL and therefore LESS VALUABLE THAN CANON.
3) if someone is getting NEW revelations THEY BETTER WRITE IT DOWN AND ADD IT TO THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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zone

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When God sees the sincerity in our hearts, he rewards us. He gives us a little help (big one really) and baptises us with the holy spirit. We can be anywhere when we recieve it. We can be walking, sleeping, praying, talking, fasting, whatever.
ANYONE WHO HAS NOT ALREADY RECEIVED THE HOLY SPIRIT IS PRAYING OR FASTING AS A CHRISTIAN. THEY ARE NOT CHRISTIANS.

YOU ARE NOT SAVED UNTIL YOU RECEIVE THE SEAL OF THE HOLY SPIRIT.

SECOND BAPTISM IS FALSE DOCTRINE AND A DECEPTION.
 
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Yes but many claim to be Christian but do not have the seal of the Holy Spirit.
 

zone

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Yes but many claim to be Christian but do not have the seal of the Holy Spirit.
that true.

how does one receive the Holy Spirit?
please do not refer to Pentecost.

i mean TODAY.
 
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*huge sighs of annoyance* dont you just hate it when people dont listen to you when you ask them not to argue with each other and to get off the subject of tongues?? Yeesh maybe i should write in CAPITALS SEEING AS THAT WORKS FOR SOME PPL! maybe some exclamation marks will get ppls attn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No? ah well i didnt think it would work yall are too caught up in what you have to say and in your opinions..

Thanks though to those who have answered my questions :) i will bring your answers to my pastor and ask him :)

*leaves the now useless and pointless thread that has turned into a petty debate on cessationism*
 

zone

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*huge sighs of annoyance* dont you just hate it when people dont listen to you when you ask them not to argue with each other and to get off the subject of tongues?? Yeesh maybe i should write in CAPITALS SEEING AS THAT WORKS FOR SOME PPL! maybe some exclamation marks will get ppls attn !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No? ah well i didnt think it would work yall are too caught up in what you have to say and in your opinions..

Thanks though to those who have answered my questions :) i will bring your answers to my pastor and ask him :)

*leaves the now useless and pointless thread that has turned into a petty debate on cessationism*
well Lad.
if you are really interested in the gifts, finding out about the "useless and petty" doctine of cessationism is important...unless you've chosen another route. then no amount of CAPITALS or "arguments" !!!! will dissuade you. i'll refrain from replying to any more of your requests on the matter.
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AnandaHya

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that true.

how does one receive the Holy Spirit?
please do not refer to Pentecost.

i mean TODAY.
By confession of the mouth, belief in the heart and through the grace of God:

Romans 10: 8-10

"but what does it say? the word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart (that is, the word of faith which we preach): that if you confess with your mouth the LORD Jesus and Believe in your Heart that GOD has raised HIM from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Seek and ye shall find, knock and the door shall be open. Ask and God will send you the Holy Spirit to be your guide, teacher and Comforter. for you who are evil give good things to your children and do not give them a serpent when they ask for bread. what more our Heavenly will give unto those who truly seek Him and to do His will?

sorry Lad. the conversation gets sidetracked but that happens in real life as well. you will just have to forgive us all.
 

WordGaurdian

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NOBODY BUT PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN THE NAR (NEW), Five-Fold Ministry (NEW), and Charismtaics (NEW) ever believed there were Apostles (or ANY of those Acts "gifts") after the Apostolic Age.


TAKE EVERYTHING you as an 'Apostle', and your buddy the 'prophet', or somebody chirping glossolalia, or a guy who stands up and gives 'a word of knowledge' and ADD IT ALL TOGETHER. and if it adds ANYTHING to what is already written:

1) you are under the warning of Rev 22
2) it's ALL still PARTIAL and therefore LESS VALUABLE THAN CANON.
3) if someone is getting NEW revelations THEY BETTER WRITE IT DOWN AND ADD IT TO THE BIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!
You can put me under any warning you can deem necessary. If you just confessed that the apostles died for their faith because it was part of their nature, don't you think I would do the same in the blink of an eye.
Warnings mean nothing to me.
You STILL haven't shown me ANY scripture that says that the gifts (any of them) cease to exist but for you convenience and the convenience of the people on this site, let me remind you that the Bible does not contradict itself EVER. And this is why I know you cannot and will not be able to find a verse.

Because of these two versus:
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

So please Indulge us with scripture OR STOP confusing the youngsters who are ernestly trying to LEARN more about God.
I am NOT interested in all the many NAMES you can come up with to call me. I AM interested in SCRIPTURE. Cause the Bible NEVER contradicts itself.
 

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I am NOT interested in all the many NAMES you can come up with to call me. I AM interested in SCRIPTURE. Cause the Bible NEVER contradicts itself.
YOU stop confusing the youngsters with CHARISMATIC false doctrine.

the Bible never contradicts itself; TRY READING WITH UNDERSTANDING.

you're not interested in scripture: you're interested in being an Apostle and working signs and wonders...and you ARE NOT AN APOSTLE.
 
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Calm yer farm ppl....(((((((((((((((( zoneth)))))))))))))))))).
 
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Calm yer farm ppl....(((((((((((((((( zoneth)))))))))))))))))).
gents and ladies can we move the cessationist discussion to another thread it is bothering the OP. Wordguardian, just converse on one of Zone's threads about the topic. :)

lol i still have no clue what "calm yer farm" means.
 
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here lad. i like this diagram. focus on growing these gifts and fruits in your life.

 

WordGaurdian

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YOU stop confusing the youngsters with CHARISMATIC false doctrine.

the Bible never contradicts itself; TRY READING WITH UNDERSTANDING.

you're not interested in scripture: you're interested in being an Apostle and working signs and wonders...and you ARE NOT AN APOSTLE.
I give you these two versus:
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

It is not about being charasmatic or whatever other thing you can think of to call me. It is THE BIBLE.
Give me scripture that says these above gifts ended in the time that Paul was an apostle.

You claim I teach FALSE doctrines. I merely ask for a scripture for your "TRUE" doctrine.
 
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I am not a dispensationist thus I do not believe in an "apostolic era". I believe that the Old Covenant was fulfilled with the crucifixion, burial and ressurection of Jesus Christ and that the New Covenant began with Pentecost and will come to a close with Christs second coming. Until then believers are called to live out our faith in order to fulfill the Great Commission.

By trying divide history into eras, not only are you guilty of trying to add to scripture but you are also taking away from scripture also by stating that certain things ceased with a certain dispensation. Dispensationism is nothing more than man's attempt to justify certain questionable doctrines that conflict with the biblical account.
 
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I give you these two versus:
1Co 13:8 Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1Co 13:11 When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

It is not about being charasmatic or whatever other thing you can think of to call me. It is THE BIBLE.
Give me scripture that says these above gifts ended in the time that Paul was an apostle.

You claim I teach FALSE doctrines. I merely ask for a scripture for your "TRUE" doctrine.
Amen bro. :)
 
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FireOnTheAltar

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Zone,

For someone who professes not to be a dispensationist, you sure sound like one.