Dominionism and the NAR
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This shows your ignorance on the issue (not an insult). It shows you do not know what you are talking about on the subject (something you really should do) Post trib believers oppose dispensationalism. good historica premillennialis''. The apostels taught the post trib return of Christ. You are surely not claiming the apostels denied the finished work of Christ do you?
If you do not know the difference between dispensationalism, and historcal premillennialism you should even be discusssing this
If you do not know the difference between dispensationalism, and historcal premillennialism you should even be discusssing this
bra,
israel has rarely been obedient as a nation.
God's promise was always a remnant. only a remnant. same all the way through their history. how may were in the wilderness? a million?
how many made it to The Promised Land?
we do not know what the final number of saved jews is.
same as we don't know how many gentiles will be saved.
right.
and so what did the angel come and tell him?
all that stuff that would be accomplished for his people and jerusalem.
now, you've either got pretend 70AD didn't happen (titus and the soldiers left her desolate), or aknowledge that the angel meant what he said about Jerusalem, but not about Jesus.
you gotta go in to Dan 9 with an exacto knife and make trouble, or you leave it alone and let it speak.
Christ came when prophesied, Finished His Work exactly as prophesied, it is testified to throughout the entire Bible.
what you refuse to see is that God's Plan was not changed, slowed, postponed or altered one iota by unbelieving jews. because you were raised on Scofield's "israel-centric" (dispnsational) view of Redemptive History instead of a Christo-centric view.
every Promise God made israel is fulfilled. when the believers enter the eternal state with believing gentiles, the consummaton of our inheritence is complete.
Romans 11 says NOTHING that indicates either jewish universalism, OR a 2000 year reprieve from judgment because their forefathers rejected Christ - that is patently absurd and does dreadful violence to the whole Plan.
the start of the 70th week refers to the start of the ministry of Jesus, he was crucified in the middle of the week and the end of the week corresponds to the Gentiles coming to Christ (Cornelius)....end of story.
the fullness of the gentiles simply means the fullness of God's mystery of the Church (Eph) realized by the bringing in of THE OTHER SHEEP, which are not of this fold (israel): THEM I MUST BRING ALSO....the gentiles.
done deal.
Romans 11:31
so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
see? nice and orderly.
no weird gaps, no 2 separate plans, no two peoples, etc etc.
Paul never said anything about a short time. and there's zero abut israel being restored to some level of glory aside from eternal life with Jesus, of which we are all partakers.
you gotta have a pretrib rapture to get your gentile church off the earth so God can switch back to Plan A for israel >> Hollywood, dude....a Pharisee Production.
it just ain't written at all. not in there.
it says nothing of the sort.
there will be a time of great falling away from at the end, but that's by nominal christians (in profession only - jew and gentile).
true believers (jew and gentile) go through the trib and emerge victorious dead or alive.
no Bud.
those are somebody else's ideas...its LEAVEN.
a whole buncha guys are in on it.
EG:
listen man okay?
Titus and the boyz destroying the city are mentioned in Daneil 9 but are not prophesied as FALLING WITHIN THE 70 WEEKS.
Jesus decreed her fate inside the 70 weeks....Titus carried it out 37 years later; EXACTLY AS JESUS SAID - ALL THESE THINGS SHALL COME UPON THIS GENERATION (those living when He was rejected).
Still love ya also. But 70 weeks have not yet been fulfilled. The times of the gentiles is now. Has not ended. SO Israel has not yet returned .
for everybody EG.
i'm gonna do another Noahide Laws thread tomorrow to show you whey they injected the dispy Leaven into the church....
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This shows your ignorance on the issue (not an insult). It shows you do not know what you are talking about on the subject (something you really should do) Post trib believers oppose dispensationalism. good historica premillennialis''. The apostels taught the post trib return of Christ. You are surely not claiming the apostels denied the finished work of Christ do you?
If you do not know the difference between dispensationalism, and historcal premillennialism you should even be discusssing this[/quot
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You may not have insulted zone...but you insulted me...show some respect to your elders.
If you do not know the difference between dispensationalism, and historcal premillennialism you should even be discusssing this[/quot
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You may not have insulted zone...but you insulted me
...show some respect to your elders.
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You may not have insulted zone...but you insulted me...show some respect to your elders.
You may not have insulted zone...but you insulted me
...show some respect to your elders.
the only teachers or people who don't like questions are the ones who are insecure in their position or don't have the intelligence or words to accurately explain it to others without being rude. You can learn words but only God can increase intelligence and help with the politeness thing.
2 Timothy 2:23-27
New King James Version (NKJV)
23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.
oh yeah there are those who don't want to admit they are wrong or don't know or have the answers.
personally I respect people who say things like "I don't know let me research, and pray about it" or "I don't know but I know someone who does, let us go to the Lord in prayer" or even "that's a good question, you can ask God when you see Him in Heaven" lol the last one I got after about 20 unanswerable questions I asked about points in the Bible
God might not answer all our questions or prayers but He answers the important ones we need to know to do His will on Earth and show His love and power to the world
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I suppose this is a good example of the the short comings of democracy. Sure you can vote, but that vote can be manipulated or even faked, and although there's plenty of "representatives" of the people, those representatives can be bribed or simply bad to start out with. That's why I'm starting to favor smaller governments even old testament styled Monarchies. Because if the government's corrupt at least you know who's the bad guy. Any other thoughts? (I'm not 100% behind my views I'm flexible )
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You may not have insulted zone...but you insulted me
...show some respect to your elders.
lay it on us 4runner.
i say
premillennialism is dispensationalism.
adding a literal 1,000 year 'dispensation' onto the end of Redemptive History is dispensationalism no matter what you want to call it.
but if premillennialism does NOT attach a 1,000 year period after the Second Advent, please show me.
i'm asking...you teach.
i say
premillennialism is dispensationalism.
adding a literal 1,000 year 'dispensation' onto the end of Redemptive History is dispensationalism no matter what you want to call it.
but if premillennialism does NOT attach a 1,000 year period after the Second Advent, please show me.
i'm asking...you teach.