Which Bible version shall I use

[MahogonySnail]

Regardless of what they preached or what brand of Christianity we ascribe to, the point is, they didn't do it out of the perfect authorised KJV translation or any translation.

The gospel you mentioned does not mention sin at all therefore maybe it's a false gospel. But let's look at this closer I think you are saying the same thing.

The Apostles were empowered by the Holy Spirit who did testify the Truth,

Yes.

they preached as Jesus did and that is the Gospel of the Kingdom, Gospel is not "jesus died for your sins"

Romans 3 says
8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. 9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

Yes, it is very good news that Jesus died for our sins.

Jesus came so that we could have life more abundantly,

Yes by dealing with the problem of sin.

to repair the broken breach between Him and His people Israel

"broken breach"? I'd call that sin. Jesus came to fix the problem of sin.

who recieved the new name and New Covenant and became Christians.

Yes.

Christ came to establish the Kingdom of God on earth, this is what the Apostles preached.

More importantly, Christ came to establish the Kingdom of God in people's hearts, which is only possible after sins have been dealt with. Repent, for the Kingdom of God is near.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

More importantly, Christ came to establish the Kingdom of God in people's hearts, which is only possible after sins have been dealt with. Repent, for the Kingdom of God is near.

No He did not, and I have already addressed this in another thread, the KJV has been deliberately corrupted and Luke 17:20-21 where you have recieved your false doctrine from, is a mistranslation, not just the word 'within' which is in fact 'among' but the whole passage has been tampered with to spread false doctrine, now I have explained this already on a KJV thread, and you posted on that thread and you should have corrected that in your mind and changed your doctrine. The Kingdom of God DOES NOT EXIST IN YOUR HEART!

 

[MahogonySnail]

oops it seems I touched on a raw nerve there some sort of stumbling block for you.

I think it is logical that wherever the King is, there the Kingdom of God is.
Given that Christians believe that the King lives inside them, by the Holy Spirit, it's not wrong or false to say that the Kingdom of God is within you.

Other passages of scripture show the inwardness of the Kingdom of God:

"For the kingdom of God is not meat and
drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the​

Holy Ghost" (Romans 14:17)

If the king rules your heart, then your heart is part of the Kingdom of God. You are in the Kingdom, and the Kingdom is in you.

 

[suaso]

That article made my head hurt in a bad way...it's ok to hyperlink, folks.

The little "666" logo isn't a 666 logo...it's a symbol that people have found handy to represent the Trinity...sort of like the number 10 represents the idea of ten objects or things.

At any rate...the KJV, while not my preference, if an important aspect of Western Culture, particularly of the English-speaking world, and it's good to have around. On that note, I doubt readig the NKJV or any other decent translation of scripture is going to be the downfall of Christianity's existence. I guess if we all really want to get the best there is, we ought to learn greek and hebrew and crack open some ancient manuscripts. God help you if you're illiterate.

 

[imoss]

I would recommend staying away from the New World Translation or Christian Science books & the "new earth" book and the "Secret" book & the book of Mormon. I do not think my NIV is "satanic" as my relationship with Christ has grown immensly and my relationship with satan has deteriorated... I did have issues with portions of scripture that were omitted and therefore study in conjuction with my King James Version. I plan on purchasing a NKJV as I think I may be happy with that translation... hopefully. Baptistrw, Pastor Keith, Wisdom seeker, Mahogany what do you guys think of this version or do you have any experience with it? I'm looking for an accurate translation that I can read as well. Tried going back to just the KJV but found I was reading ALOT less because I spent time in confusion. I value your opinions.

 

[MahogonySnail]

I like the NKJV thats the one i use most often. MKJV is good too. I like Amplified the best.

 

[miktre]

WHAT WAS THE QUESTION?

Its not a question, its a statement

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

I think it is logical that wherever the King is, there the Kingdom of God is.
Given that Christians believe that the King lives inside them, by the Holy Spirit, it's not wrong or false to say that the Kingdom of God is within you.

Yes it is wrong, there is no original true scripture that supports that concept, only a false translation.

Where is the Scripture that says that God's Kingdom and the king himself and all His servants take up residence in your heart? Will the new Golden Jerusalem be in your heart? Will Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and all the Prophets will they all walk into your heart? Will Jesus sit on His throne in your personal heart? If the Kingdom of God is in your heart well how are we all going to fit in there? No flesh or blood shall inherit the Kingdom of God! I ask you; WHAT IS YOUR HEART MADE OF? Our hearts are wicked and decietful Mat. 15:19. The Kingdom of God is not of this world but from Heaven "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven" A mustard seed planted on earth that will grow into a might tree, you can if chosen come into God's Kingdom, but God's Kingdom did not begin in your flesh and blood heart and neither will it reside in your heart.

 

[MahogonySnail]

Obviously you are confusing the two different meanings of the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is wherever God rules. "Thy Kingdom come", asking God to enter His kingdom into our hearts. The Kingdom doesn't come with observation, we must be born again of the Spirit. Only then do we enter the kingdom and the kingdom by virtue of the King living within us live in us. You mentioned that our hearts and wicked and deceitful. But God also said he would put a new heart within us, and that is what He has done if you are a christian. Anyway I am not so concerned about this kingdom issue, more concerned with the fact that you denied that Jesus died for our sins.

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Obviously you are confusing the two different meanings of the Kingdom of God. The Kingdom of God is wherever God rules. "Thy Kingdom come", asking God to enter His kingdom into our hearts.

No not in your heart, "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"

No mention of 'MohagonySnail's' personal little heart, Jesus did not pray that His kingdom come all the way from heaven and be built in your heart, that's absurd!

The Kingdom doesn't come with observation,

See, here is where mistranslations do so much damage to Christianty, Just as Jesus Christ never said to the Pharisees that the Kingdom is 'within', He also never said that the 'Kingdom comes not with observation', Those words are not contained in correctly translated Luke 17:20. The James Moffat Translation of 1926, renders Luke 17:20:

"On being asked by the Pharisees when the Reign of God was coming, he answered them 'The Reign of God is not coming as you hope to catch sight of it; no one will say, 'Here it is' or 'There it is', for the Reign of God is in your midst."

When you translate from Biblical Greek, into English this is how the verse reads. Satan is very proud of his subtle work with Luke 17:20.

Jesus Christ when asked by the Pharisees when the kingdom (Reign) of God was coming He told them that He was in their midst (also translated 'among'), referring to Himself of course, the kingdom of God with Jesus as Royal Majesty most certainly did not say that He and His Kingdom were within the evil heart of the Pharisees, that would be absurd!

we must be born again of the Spirit.

If you ever sacrifice your time and study the marginal notes of the KJV, it is admitted that Jesus in fact says "Ye must be born from above" another false doctrine established on a mistranslation.

Only then do we enter the kingdom and the kingdom by virtue of the King living within us live in us. You mentioned that our hearts and wicked and deceitful. But God also said he would put a new heart within us, and that is what He has done if you are a christian. Anyway I am not so concerned about this kingdom issue, more concerned with the fact that you denied that Jesus died for our sins.

"Jesus died for our sins" is not the Gospel that He and the Apostles preached. Does the blood of Christ cover a sinners sin? Yes it does.

 

[MahogonySnail]

No not in your heart, "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"

And how is God's will done on earth? By those who do His will, and no one can do God's will unless they are in the Kingdom under direction of the king, unless their heart is ruled from such. The word of Kingdom is "reign". It is praying that God's rule and reign come on earth and that is by reigning the hearts and souls of men.

No mention of 'MohagonySnail's' personal little heart, Jesus did not pray that His kingdom come all the way from heaven and be built in your heart, that's absurd!

The kingdom of God simply means the rule and reign of God, when the Holy Spirit comes the heart of the believer is under the reign of God.

"Jesus died for our sins" is not the Gospel that He and the Apostles preached. Does the blood of Christ cover a sinners sin? Yes it does.

I disagree because right here Paul declared what Gospel message he delivered to them:
1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;
This is the message which Paul received , the Gospel which Paul received by revelation:

Gal 1:12 For I did not receive it from man, nor was I taught it except by a revelation of Jesus Christ.

See, here is where mistranslations do so much damage to Christianty, Just as Jesus Christ never said to the Pharisees that the Kingdom is 'within', He also never said that the 'Kingdom comes not with observation', Those words are not contained in correctly translated Luke 17:20. The James Moffat Translation of 1926, renders Luke 17:20:

"On being asked by the Pharisees when the Reign of God was coming, he answered them 'The Reign of God is not coming as you hope to catch sight of it; no one will say, 'Here it is' or 'There it is', for the Reign of God is in your midst."

What sort of damage has it done? Christians are running riot in the streets raping, looting, murdering are they because of this supposed mistranslation?

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

And how is God's will done on earth? By those who do His will, and no one can do God's will unless they are in the Kingdom under direction of the king, unless their heart is ruled from such. The word of Kingdom is "reign". It is praying that God's rule and reign come on earth and that is by reigning the hearts and souls of men.

Now this is a promising start, your understanding of the kingdom is improved already, praise God.

The kingdom of God simply means the rule and reign of God, when the Holy Spirit comes the heart of the believer is under the reign of God.

Yes this is better, but remember what I told you about our flesh and blood hearts - they are corrupt and I will use 1 Corinthians 15 as well; "Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption."

1 Corinthians 15 is sublime.

I disagree because right here Paul declared what Gospel message he delivered to them:

1Co 15:3 For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received, that Christ died for our sins, according to the Scriptures,
1Co 15:4 and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures;
This is the message which Paul received , the Gospel which Paul received by revelation:

I agree with Paul's Gospel, it took him a whole chapter to tell the Gospel. You however said it was simple 'in a nutshell' - 'Christ died for our sins'! Did Christ die for our sins? Yes He did, is that the Gospel, no thats just four words of the Gospel, Paul's Gospel is a whole chapter, if the Gospel is so simple why did Paul have to write 1 Corinthians 15? Why did he not just simplify it to those four essential words if that was all that was needed, the Holy Ghost didn't think that was all that was needed. What I am saying to you is do not simplify the Gospel, the Gospel of Christ is not easy and it's not 'in a nutshell'!

 

[MahogonySnail]

Paul took a whole chapter because he liked to write long-winded things. In a nutshell the Gospel is that Jesus died for our sins, and rose again from the dead. By believing in Him we may have eternal life. That takes about 10 seconds to say. We like Paul can expound on that as much as we like. It's not complicated, it's very simple. It's supposed to be very simple so that simple people can understand it.

 

[imoss]

cup of Ruin... I would recommend you read your posts twice... the second time pretend you are the receiver of the post, how would you receive it??? When you condescend people they stop listening to what you have to say and get defensive. Must say I too am guilty of this!!

 

[Slepsog4]

If the KJV is the one and only true Bible, I have two questions:

1. What about all those millions and millions of people who do not read English, esp. the 400 years old variety?
2. What about all those millions and millions of people who lived before 1611 AD?

 

[eric51]

The KJV of the bible was developed during the early 1600s as a means of consolidating protestant heresy in Britain. While that version until the middle of the 19th century contained all the books of the OT, eventually the 7 books of the Septuagint were removed to support heresies such faith alone, no purgatory, denying that Mary was a virgin. Furthermore, the translation of that bible changed commonly accepted phraseology to further support protestant beliefs. .

The KJV is neither complete as a christian bible, nor does it have a translation which affirms Christian dogma. In short, the KJV is a fabricated book which does nothing to instill love of God based on Christian dogma.

The New Jerusalem Bible, the RSV [catholic], the NAB [catholic], as well as a number of others, are far superior to the KJV. They are complete, containing all 73 books of Christian Scripture, and the translation is more reliable.

The KJV is primarily used among quasi-christian fringe sects in America, and enjoys little popularity outside those cult groups.

I suggest to everyone who currently uses that book that they investigate a more orthodox version of Christian Scripture.

God Bless.

 

[wisdomseeker]

I would recommend staying away from the New World Translation or Christian Science books & the "new earth" book and the "Secret" book & the book of Mormon. I do not think my NIV is "satanic" as my relationship with Christ has grown immensly and my relationship with satan has deteriorated... I did have issues with portions of scripture that were omitted and therefore study in conjuction with my King James Version. I plan on purchasing a NKJV as I think I may be happy with that translation... hopefully. Baptistrw, Pastor Keith, Wisdom seeker, Mahogany what do you guys think of this version or do you have any experience with it? I'm looking for an accurate translation that I can read as well. Tried going back to just the KJV but found I was reading ALOT less because I spent time in confusion. I value your opinions.

Peace be to you

Zondervan kjv for all base study(my choice)

Tyndale new living translation for dates and times so you dont have to do math to understand.(because its small and i can carry it with me)

Marshall;The revised standard version interlinear greek-english new testament to test words.

http://www.biblegateway.com/about/ to test all translations

My grandfather always told me you can get the truth from any bible.He died at 97, he loves God so you can believe him.

Have faith in the holy spirit to guide you on the word.mark 13,31
Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.

1st john 2,25
And this is the promise that he hath promised us, even eternal life.
These things have I written unto you concerning them that seduce you.
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Truth; bible understanding is threw revelation of God.
james 3 ,17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.(Ask God in dought)
Believe.

Love God with all your heart mind and soul
Love thy neighber like you love yourself.
God Loves a cheerfull giver,Dont expect to recieve anything unless you are Giving above what is expected.

For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?

Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

luke 10
And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.

And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,

And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.

Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?(kjv)And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

luke 10,36(NASB)(my choice for this scripture)
Which of these three do you think proved to be a neighbor to the man who fell into the robbers' hands?"



Love a friend in God

 

[Cup-of-Ruin]

Which Bible version shall I use?

In answer to the title question:

Old Testament -

- The SEPTUAGINT with APOCRYPHA

New Testament -

- The MOFFATT NEW TESTAMENT

 

[DaveScotland]

In the corinthian culture, women were not allowed to comfront men in public. Some of the women who had became Christians thought thier Christian freedom gave them the right right to question the men in public worship,theis was causing division in the Church . in addition women of that time didnt recieve religious education as did the men Paul was asking the women not to flaunt thier christian freedom during worship, The purpose of Pauls words was to promote unity in the Corinthian Church, and not teach about womens roles in the Church.
NLT, study notes

 

[DaveScotland]

ooops

put the last post in the wrong thread, sorry guys