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dscherck

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So you are saying they are fake? Thats your final answer?
I'm saying that more than likely, given your predilection for posting known fakes, why should we expect anything else? You've already proven you have no regards for the truth when it comes to the Catholic Church or the Jesuits. All you care about is being right. And you will disregard any evidence that disagrees with you regardless of where it's from. You will however embrace anything that supports your view, even when it's been repeatedly disproven by secular, Protestant, or Catholic research. That's why you cling to con men like Alberto Rivera despite the overwhelming evidence he's a con artist. He affirms your beliefs and you wouldn't dare examine the evidence honestly because there's a good chance you'll be proven wrong.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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About you not for you. Take an english composition class and learn the difference. Yes you did. No I did not. Take a logic 101 class and learn the difference.

Wow a whole post just for me?

And you wanna accuse me of ad homs?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I'm sure the type of fallicious reasoning I've been witnessing, in which all manner of unreal historical and modern idiocies are asserted as true while the material aggregate of the world's best historians and scholars are dismissed as "jesuit infiltrators as per the Jesuit oath" could result in such an assertion as you have made here, but fortunately there is a solution for it.

Clozapine (Clozaril) has been shown to be more effective than other antipsychotics, although the possibility of severe side effects require that patients be monitored with blood tests every one or two weeks for the first year of usage. I have read that such medications do make the delusions dissipate considerably... lol.

Your protestant scholars are most probably Jesuit infiltrators as per the Jesuit oath.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Obviously, which is why the trollish character should never be taken seriously.

I'm saying that more than likely, given your predilection for posting known fakes, why should we expect anything else? You've already proven you have no regards for the truth when it comes to the Catholic Church or the Jesuits. All you care about is being right. And you will disregard any evidence that disagrees with you regardless of where it's from. You will however embrace anything that supports your view, even when it's been repeatedly disproven by secular, Protestant, or Catholic research. That's why you cling to con men like Alberto Rivera despite the overwhelming evidence he's a con artist. He affirms your beliefs and you wouldn't dare examine the evidence honestly because there's a good chance you'll be proven wrong.
 
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About you not for you. Take an english composition class and learn the difference. Yes you did. No I did not. Take a logic 101 class and learn the difference.
I'm sure the type of fallicious reasoning I've been witnessing, in which all manner of unreal historical and modern idiocies are asserted as true while the material aggregate of the world's best historians and scholars are dismissed as "jesuit infiltrators as per the Jesuit oath" could result in such an assertion as you have made here, but fortunately there is a solution for it.

Clozapine (Clozaril) has been shown to be more effective than other antipsychotics, although the possibility of severe side effects require that patients be monitored with blood tests every one or two weeks for the first year of usage. I have read that such medications do make the delusions dissipate considerably... lol.
Obviously, which is why the trollish character should never be taken seriously.
Anything more to contribute on the topic mate?

Or is it just attacking my person now?

I guess it worked for Alberto Rivera so why not eh?

And your recommended solution? Corrective medication. Very telling. Straight out of the Marxist playbook on how to run a soviet gulag for political dissenters.
 
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I'm saying that more than likely, given your predilection for posting known fakes, why should we expect anything else? You've already proven you have no regards for the truth when it comes to the Catholic Church or the Jesuits. All you care about is being right. And you will disregard any evidence that disagrees with you regardless of where it's from. You will however embrace anything that supports your view, even when it's been repeatedly disproven by secular, Protestant, or Catholic research. That's why you cling to con men like Alberto Rivera despite the overwhelming evidence he's a con artist. He affirms your beliefs and you wouldn't dare examine the evidence honestly because there's a good chance you'll be proven wrong.
Absolutist Papal Maxims of the Jesuits

1. There is but one Supreme Authority in the World, and that is the Pope.
2. God hath delivered over unto the Pope the Power and Rule of Heaven and Earth, therefore we must be obedient unto him upon pain of damnation.
3. All Right and Power are lodged in his Breast.
4. No Law can be made to bind Christians, but by the Pope’s Authority, as of old the Israelites received none but by Moses.
5. The Gospel would not be the Gospel, if the Pope had not approved of it.
6. The Pope can take away any man’s Right, and give it to another.
7. The Pope can do any thing, above all Right, against all Right and without all Right.
8. If Christ commands one thing, and the Pope another thing, the Pope is rather to be obeyed than Jesus Christ.
9. The Pope’s Decretory Letters are to be received and esteemed as Authentic as the Word of God or the Holy Scriptures.
10. It is Sacrilege to question the Pope’s Actions, and he is cursed of God who violates the Pope’s censures.
11. If the Pope affirm that to be black, which our Eyes judge to be white, we ought also then to declare, that it’s black, upon pain of our souls.
12. The Pope hath the sole Rule and Power of the whole World in Temporals as well as in Spirituals, and therefore can depose Emperors and Kings, and may dispose of their Dominions as he shall think convenient.
13. If the Pope shall depose a King and give his Kingdom to another, and the people will not receive him, the Pope may bring him in by force of Arms, because he is Judge of all and instead of God on Earth.
14. Not to believe that the Pope can depose Kings is [to be], and that deservedly, damned for Heresy.
15. Christ had not done wisely if he had not left the Pope power to depose Kings.
16. If a King be a Heretic or favorer of Heresy he may be deposed.
17. If the Pope shall declare a King to be a Heretic, he hath no right to his Kingdom, and the Pope may depose him.
18. The Pope can give the people liberty either to choose or take new Masters; by this means they keep all Kings and Princes in their Obedience and Submission to the Pope.
19. All Protestants are Heretics, and therefore they ought to be killed.
20. It is better and safer to make alliance and amity with Turks, Infidels, or Jews, than with Heretic Protestants, because they may draw us into the errors of their novelties.

8. If Christ commands one thing, and the Pope another thing, the Pope is rather to be obeyed than Jesus Christ.

Do you agree with this statement? No.8?
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Any credible information would be immediately dismissed out-of-hand and the source attacked as a "Jesuit infiltrator" while you yourself champion outed charlatans without any emperical irrefutable evidence for or against the positions you are for or against (complicated by not having any conception of what constitutes scholarly evidence, debate, or discussion) at least so far to date in your discussions with me so really what's the point?

Lots of people that suffer from delusions take perscription medicines to help control them. I just floated it as a suggestion based on what I've observed. Obviously, a qualified medical provider would need to make that determination.


Anything more to contribute on the topic mate?

Or is it just attacking my person now?

I guess it worked for Alberto Rivera so why not eh?

And your recommended solution? Corrective medication. Very telling. Straight out of the Marxist playbook on how to run a soviet gulag for political dissenters.
 
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Any credible information would be immediately dismissed out-of-hand and the source attacked as a "Jesuit infiltrator" while you yourself champion outed charlatans without any emperical irrefutable evidence for or against the positions you are for or against (complicated by not having any conception of what constitutes scholarly evidence, debate, or discussion) at least so far to date in your discussions with me so really what's the point?
I told people to listen to his testimony and make up their own mind.

Would you rather discredit the man on the strength of a few 'reports' from what SOME people claim are "scholars" and ignore his testimony?

Continue posting your 'credible information' by all means. Dont be scared I'll dismiss it...this is for the benefit of the flock is it not?

Lots of people that suffer from delusions take perscription medicines to help control them. I just floated it as a suggestion based on what I've observed. Obviously, a qualified medical provider would need to make that determination.
I wonder if theres any drugs available to cure the condition of Pompous Imagini Intelligensi?

Just floating the suggestion based on what I've observed o'course.
 

dscherck

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Absolutist Papal Maxims of the Jesuits

1. There is but one Supreme Authority in the World, and that is the Pope.
2. God hath delivered over unto the Pope the Power and Rule of Heaven and Earth, therefore we must be obedient unto him upon pain of damnation.
3. All Right and Power are lodged in his Breast.
4. No Law can be made to bind Christians, but by the Pope’s Authority, as of old the Israelites received none but by Moses.
5. The Gospel would not be the Gospel, if the Pope had not approved of it.
6. The Pope can take away any man’s Right, and give it to another.
7. The Pope can do any thing, above all Right, against all Right and without all Right.
8. If Christ commands one thing, and the Pope another thing, the Pope is rather to be obeyed than Jesus Christ.
9. The Pope’s Decretory Letters are to be received and esteemed as Authentic as the Word of God or the Holy Scriptures.
10. It is Sacrilege to question the Pope’s Actions, and he is cursed of God who violates the Pope’s censures.
11. If the Pope affirm that to be black, which our Eyes judge to be white, we ought also then to declare, that it’s black, upon pain of our souls.
12. The Pope hath the sole Rule and Power of the whole World in Temporals as well as in Spirituals, and therefore can depose Emperors and Kings, and may dispose of their Dominions as he shall think convenient.
13. If the Pope shall depose a King and give his Kingdom to another, and the people will not receive him, the Pope may bring him in by force of Arms, because he is Judge of all and instead of God on Earth.
14. Not to believe that the Pope can depose Kings is [to be], and that deservedly, damned for Heresy.
15. Christ had not done wisely if he had not left the Pope power to depose Kings.
16. If a King be a Heretic or favorer of Heresy he may be deposed.
17. If the Pope shall declare a King to be a Heretic, he hath no right to his Kingdom, and the Pope may depose him.
18. The Pope can give the people liberty either to choose or take new Masters; by this means they keep all Kings and Princes in their Obedience and Submission to the Pope.
19. All Protestants are Heretics, and therefore they ought to be killed.
20. It is better and safer to make alliance and amity with Turks, Infidels, or Jews, than with Heretic Protestants, because they may draw us into the errors of their novelties.

8. If Christ commands one thing, and the Pope another thing, the Pope is rather to be obeyed than Jesus Christ.

Do you agree with this statement? No.8?
Of course not! But that doesn't matter because the source is an obvious fake created to spread anti-Catholic fervor. No devout Catholic would ever accept such a thing. But you fell for it hook, line, and sinker because it confirms what you already believe. As I've pointed out repeatedly, you have no interest in the Truth whatsoever. All you care about is being right. There is no proof you will accept otherwise. Even if we somehow invented a time machine, took you to the person doing this hoax as they were doing it, and traced its propagation thenceforth, you'd still insist it was a massive Jesuit conspiracy.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Many first hand investigations which included direct interviews conducted by some of the best known, best educated, and respected apologists in Christiandom; hired investigators; and concerned Christian publishers and authors. We shall be clear about that even if you cannot in your own mind manage it.

The delusional psychotic condition is well established and perscription medicines and treatment regimens are established to treat it. However, the condition you've listed doesn't exist. It's just another figment of your overly active imagination.

I told people to listen to his testimony and make up their own mind.

Would you rather discredit the man on the strength of a few 'reports' from what SOME people claim are "scholars" and ignore his testimony?

Continue posting your 'credible information' by all means. Dont be scared I'll dismiss it...this is for the benefit of the flock is it not?



I wonder if theres any drugs available to cure the condition of Pompous Imagini Intelligensi?

Just floating the suggestion based on what I've observed o'course.
 

zone

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where's the evidence this rivera guy is fake?
(sorry...i haven't been paying enough attention).
is there a post # i can look at?
 
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SantoSubito

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where's the evidence this rivera guy is fake?
(sorry...i haven't been paying enough attention).
is there a post # i can look at?
In post #3 I posted the findings of an investigation done by Christianity Today .

But there are other things like the fact that he knew no Latin, and in the time period he claimed to have been trained and ordained a Jesuit priest all priests were required to be fluent in Latin.
 
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regarding 9-11 not being an inside job. Only 3 steel structured buildings in history have been brought down by fire. WTC 1, 2 and 7. And before you tell me that it was all jet fuel that brought down all that steel and concrete into dust, why don't you tell me why building 7 fell? steel melts at 2500 degrees, however jet fuel only burns at a max temp of 1500 degrees and has only reached 1800 degrees in a controlled environment, but before you tell me that the plane causes structural damage that caused it to reach architectural failure I'd also like to know why it stayed smoldering for 100 days and was recorded at temperatures exceding 2800 degrees. I find this interesting to say the least. I wonder why a building would increase its temperature by a thousand degrees while firefighters are pumping a constant stream of water on it. anyone?
 

dscherck

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regarding 9-11 not being an inside job. Only 3 steel structured buildings in history have been brought down by fire. WTC 1, 2 and 7. And before you tell me that it was all jet fuel that brought down all that steel and concrete into dust, why don't you tell me why building 7 fell? steel melts at 2500 degrees, however jet fuel only burns at a max temp of 1500 degrees and has only reached 1800 degrees in a controlled environment, but before you tell me that the plane causes structural damage that caused it to reach architectural failure I'd also like to know why it stayed smoldering for 100 days and was recorded at temperatures exceding 2800 degrees. I find this interesting to say the least. I wonder why a building would increase its temperature by a thousand degrees while firefighters are pumping a constant stream of water on it. anyone?
Structural steel begins to soften around 425°C and loses about half of its strength at 650°C.
 

Katy-follower

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where's the evidence this rivera guy is fake?
(sorry...i haven't been paying enough attention).
is there a post # i can look at?
Rather the opposite. Here is his ID, provng he was a priest.....




[SIZE=+1] This I. D. card was issued by the Spanish government in Spain in 1967, under the rule of the Spanish dictator Franco. His security forces were equally as strict as the Gestapo had been in Germany. To obtain this document, Alberto had to supply birth certificate, identification papers and positive proof from his archdiocese of being a priest. Several security organizations were involved, similar to our CIA and FBI. The priest, Alberto Rivera, had to be approved by all of these organizations to receive this document. There was no way it could have been a forgery. There is no question he was a priest. What you see here is positive proof. This document was granted by a government that had pledged absolute submission to the pope through the concordat signed by the government of Spain and the Vatican. (Quote by Jack Chick's Book “Smokescreens”)


[/SIZE]Here is a letter he received from the Archbishop of Madrid, stating he was a priest and giving him permission to travel abroad on church business: http://www.chick.com/reading/comics/0112/letter.asp
 
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