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Katy-follower

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Secrets revealed from an ex Jesuit Priest.

As he states in his book - he has 30 years of knowledge into Catholicism and goings-on in the church. Definitely worth a read.

He shared his book online for all to read. It's fascinating. I'm on page 2 so far....

Thirty Years in Hell -by Bernard Fresenborg
 
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Secrets revealed from an ex Jesuit Priest.

As he states in his book - he has 30 years of knowledge into Catholicism and goings-on in the church. Definitely worth a read.

He shared his book online for all to read. It's fascinating. I'm on page 2 so far....

Thirty Years in Hell -by Bernard Fresenborg
I'd be wary of anything written in that time period (early 1900s) as that era was full of fakes like Maria Monk claiming to be a former "Catholic this" or "Catholic that"

Alberto Rivera in particular is a well known fake. Here is just a little bit of what Christianity Today had to say about him when they looked into his story.

Christianity Today’s story by researcher Gary Metz revealed that:
He is being sued in a Los Angeles court at the present time [1981] by a man who said that Rivera, on behalf of the Hispanic Baptist Church, which he started, borrowed $2,025 with which to invest in property, but never purchased the land. When the man asked for his money back, he received a receipt acknowledging his "contribution" of $2,025.[26]
The Christianity Today investigation further reported:
In October 1967, Rivera went to work at the Church of God of Prophecy headquarters in Tennessee and began collecting money for a college in Tarrassa, Spain. When the Church of God of Prophecy wrote the college to ask if Rivera was authorized to receive donations for the college, it received a reply stating the college had given him a letter to collect funds only during the month of July. The college later discovered that while "he claimed to be a Catholic priest . . . he had never been one." The college reported that he left debts he had acquired in the name of the parish of San Lorenzo and that Spanish police were seeking him for "authentic swindles and cheats." Finally, they said that no funds had ever reached the college from Rivera. In a letter to the U.S. Department of Justice, Charles Hawkins of the Church of God of Prophecy said Rivera’s bank had contacted them because he had written a check on a closed account.
In 1969 two arrest warrants were issued for him in Florida. One was for the theft of a BankAmericard: The criminal division of the Bank of America reports that he charged over two thousand dollars on the credit card. The second warrant was issued for unauthorized use of an automobile. Rivera abandoned the vehicle in Seattle and went from there to southern California, where he started a number of organizations.[27]
Concerning Rivera’s alleged liberation of his sister from a convent, Christianity Today reported:
The sequel [to the Alberto comic], Double-Cross, devotes its first nine pages to a description of how Alberto flew to London and contacted an Anabaptist church, whose people helped him rescue his dying sister Maria from her convent. Actually, the person he contacted was not an Anabaptist but Delmar Spurling of the Church of God of Prophecy. Spurling said in an interview that Rivera did not rescue his sister, because she wasn’t a nun but rather a maid working in a private London home.[28]
Concerning Rivera’s claim that he had been a priest, Christianity Today noted:
The Catholic Church denies Rivera’s most important claim, that he was a priest. To substantiate the claim, the Alberto comic book carries a picture of an official-looking document from the Archbishopric of Madrid-Alcala in Spain, dated September 1967. It identifies Rivera as a priest and gives him permission to travel abroad in his ministry. There is no other church documentation, such as an ordination certificate, shown in the book. An individual in California, who grew suspicious of Rivera in 1973, wrote to the archdiocese office in Madrid-Alcala to ask if Rivera were really a priest. The response was that no diocese in Spain had any record of Rivera as a priest. The archbishop’s office concluded that he was not a priest, and that the travel document, which was little more than a form letter, was "acquired by deceit and subterfuge" to enable Rivera to get a passport.[29]
Christianity Today further discovered that "that not only was Rivera not a Jesuit priest, but also that he had two children during the time he claimed to be living a celibate life as a Jesuit." It explained:
Although Rivera claims to have been raised and trained in a Spanish Jesuit seminary, his hometown friend, Bonilla, said Rivera was living at one point with a woman in Costa Rica named Carmen Lydia Torres. (Alberto says Rivera was sent to Costa Rica to destroy a [Protestant] seminary and that a woman named Carmen was with him, posing as his girlfriend. The seminary was not named.)

Rivera later stated on an employment form that he and Torres were married in 1963. Their son, Juan, was born in Hoboken, New Jersey, in 1964, while Rivera was forking for the Christian Reformed Church there. Juan died in El Paso in July 1965, after his parents had fled New Jersey leaving numerous debts and a warrant for their arrest on bad check charges. The couple had two other children, Alberto and Luis Marx. The first two children were born during the time Alberto claimed to be a Jesuit priest in Spain.[30]

Concerning Rivera’s claim to have been made a bishop, Metz reported in Cornerstone that:

Alberto now claims that he was once a Jesuit bishop. None of his former associates remember this being part of his testimony until early 1973. Former associate Rev. Wishart (once a pastor of the First Baptist Church of San Fernando), who questioned Alberto about this, reported that Alberto admitted that he had never been ordained a bishop but used the title for prestige. He continues to call himself the bishop of his own church, the Hispanic Baptist Church (Oxnard, California).[31]

But the most telling of all is this paragraph.

Bartholomew F. Brewer, a former Catholic priest who is now director of Mission to Catholics International in San Diego [a man long known to Catholic Answers supporters for his anti-Catholic activities and an authentic ex-priest] . . . related to us that several years ago Rivera wanted to work in conjunction with Mission to Catholics. Dr. Brewer did interview Rivera and decided not to use him in his ministry. Over a period of time, however, Dr. Brewer got to know Rivera better and he eventually concluded that Rivera was not only unfamiliar with Catholic theology, by obviously had never been a Catholic priest, let alone a bishop.

In examining the two Chick comics, one finds that statements are made that would seem to substantiate Dr. Brewer’s views. Rivera is apparently unfamiliar with Catholic doctrine, church history, and other factual information.

For example, in Alberto, Rivera seems to imply that celibacy is a sacrament. Also, he states that students studying for the priesthood were not allowed to read the Bible. He also claims that, in Catholic doctrine, Mary is co-equal with God the Father. These are all misrepresentations of the truth.

Rivera further calls his reliability into question by stating that the masterminds behind the Inquisition were Jesuits. This is an impossibility, since the Inquisition began around a.d. 1200, and the Jesuits were not established until the 1540s.[32]
 
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Listen to Alberto Riveras testimony yourself and make up your own mind.
 
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Listen to Alberto Riveras testimony yourself and make up your own mind.
Why would you trust his testimony as true when he appears to have been nothing more than a charlatan?
 
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Why would you trust his testimony as true when he appears to have been nothing more than a charlatan?
Because it appears that the info from Christianity Today (A Billy Graham production) may be a smear job intended to discredit his valuable information exposing the infamous Jesuit order.
 
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Because it appears that the info from Christianity Today (A Billy Graham production) may be a smear job intended to discredit his valuable information exposing the infamous Jesuit order.
Or it may be completely factual, considering the fanciful yarn he spun. I could call the office of the Archbishop of Madrid-Alcala today and ask for whether or not he was ever ordained, an get the same information that Christianity Today did. Not only that but even an authentic ex-Catholic priest doesn't think he's for real.

Also the Jesuit order isn't really infamous in any circles other than those Protestant circles that love conspiracy theories. I will admit they're main purpose became to counter Protestantism so that can lead to some to demonize them because of that. But the Jesuits are an order of Priests and Monks not terrorists.
 
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Or it may be completely factual, considering the fanciful yarn he spun. I could call the office of the Archbishop of Madrid-Alcala today and ask for whether or not he was ever ordained, an get the same information that Christianity Today did. Not only that but even an authentic ex-Catholic priest doesn't think he's for real.
Wonderful sources you use bud. Just startelingly reliable!

When your on the phone to the Archbishop can you also ask him if praying to mary is necromancy, need a solid unbiased answer on that one, thanks.

Also the Jesuit order isn't really infamous in any circles other than those Protestant circles that love conspiracy theories. I will admit they're main purpose became to counter Protestantism so that can lead to some to demonize them because of that. But the Jesuits are an order of Priests and Monks not terrorists.

**slather.....conspiiiiiiiracy theoooooooriesssss....pavlov...slather**


Oh ya sure bud....main purpose is to counter protesters to the unbiblical authority of Rome but they erm.....played fair...and uh....stuck to the rulez and stuff...?....!/////?? and.....never conspired to do anything naughty,,,,,....

And anyone who says different is a tin foil hat wearing nutbag.

Jesuit Oath.

[FONT=Trebuchet MS, Arial, Helvetica]My son, heretofore you have been taught to act the dissembler: among Roman Catholics to be a Roman Catholic, and to be a spy even among your own brethren; to believe no man, to trust no man. Among the Reformers, to be a Reformer; among the Huguenots, to be a Huguenot; among the Calvinists, to be a Calvinist; among other Protestants, generally to be a Protestant; and obtaining their confidence, to seek even to preach from their pulpits, and to denounce with all the vehemence in your nature our Holy Religion and the Pope; and even to descend so low as to become a Jew among Jews, that you might be enabled to gather together all information for the benefit of your Order as a faithful soldier of the Pope. You have been taught to plant insidiously the seeds of jealousy and hatred between communities, provinces, states that were at peace, and to incite them to deeds of blood, involving them in war with each other, and to create revolutions and civil wars in countries that were independent and prosperous, cultivating the arts and the sciences and enjoying the blessings of peace; to take sides with the combatants and to act secretly with your brother Jesuit, who might be engaged on the other side, but openly opposed to that with which you might be connected, only that the Church might be the gainer in the end, in the conditions fixed in the treaties for peace and that the end justifies the means. You have been taught your duty as a spy, to gather all statistics, facts and information in your power from every source; to ingratiate yourself into the confidence of the family circle of Protestants and heretics of every class and character, as well as that of the merchant, the banker, the lawyer, among the schools and universities, in parliaments and legislatures, and the judiciaries and councils of state, and to be all things to all men, for the Pope's sake, whose servants we are unto death. You have received all your instructions heretofore as a novice, a neophyte, and have served as co-adjurer, confessor and priest, but you have not yet been invested with all that is necessary to command in the Army of Loyola in the service of the Pope. You must serve the proper time as the instrument and executioner as directed by your superiors; for none can command here who has not consecrated his labours with the blood of the heretic; for "without the shedding of blood no man can be saved". Therefore, to fit yourself for your work and make your own salvation sure, you will, in addition to your former oath of obedience to your order and allegiance to the Pope, repeat after me:
(Text of the Oath:)
I_______________ , now in the presence of Almighty God, the blessed Virgin Mary, the blessed St. John the Baptist, the Holy Apostles, St. Peter and St. Paul, and all the saints, sacred host of Heaven, and to you, my Ghostly Father, the superior general of the Society of Jesus, founded by St. Ignatius Loyola, in the pontification of Paul the Third, and continued to the present, do by the womb of the Virgin, the matrix of God, and the rod of Jesus Christ, declare and swear that His Holiness, the Pope, is Christ's Vice-Regent and is the true and only head of the Catholic or Universal Church throughout the earth; and that by the virtue of the keys of binding and loosing given to His Holiness by my Saviour, Jesus Christ, he hath power to depose heretical Kings, Princes, States, Commonwealths, and Governments, and they may be safely destroyed. Therefore to the utmost of my power I will defend this doctrine and His Holiness's right and custom against all usurpers of the heretical or Protestant authority whatever, especially the Lutheran Church of Germany, Holland, Denmark, Sweden and Norway, and the now pretended authority and Churches of England and Scotland, and the branches of same now established in Ireland and on the continent of America and elsewhere and all adherents in regard that they may be usurped and heretical, opposing the sacred Mother Church of Rome. I do now denounce and disown any allegiance as due to any heretical king, prince or State, named Protestant or Liberal, or obedience to any of their laws, magistrates or officers. I do further declare the doctrine of the Churches of England and Scotland of the Calvinists, Huguenots, and others of the name of Protestants or Masons to be damnable, and they themselves to be damned who will not forsake the same. I do further declare that I will help, assist, and advise all or any of His Holiness's agents, in any place where I should be, in Switzerland, Germany, Holland, Ireland or America, or in any other kingdom or territory I shall come to, and do my utmost to extirpate the heretical Protestant or Masonic doctrines and to destroy all their pretended powers, legal or otherwise. I do further promise and declare that, notwithstanding, I am dispensed with to assume any religion heretical for the propagation of the Mother Church's interest; to keep secret and private all her agents' counsels from time to time, as they entrust me, and not to divulge, directly or indirectly, by word, writing or circumstances whatever; but to execute all that should be proposed, given in charge, or discovered unto me by you, my Ghostly Father, or any of this sacred order. I do further promise and declare that I will have no opinion or will of my own or any mental reservation whatever, even as a corpse or cadaver (perinde ac cadaver), but will unhesitatingly obey each and every command that I may receive from my superiors in the militia of the Pope and of Jesus Christ. That I will go to any part of the world whithersoever I may be sent, to the frozen regions north, jungles of India, to the centres of civilisation of Europe, or to the wild haunts of the barbarous savages of America without murmuring or repining, and will be submissive in all things, whatsoever is communicated to me. I do further promise and declare that I will, when opportunity presents, make and wage relentless war, secretly and openly, against all heretics, Protestants and Masons, as I am directed to do, to extirpate them from the face of the whole earth; and that I will spare neither age, sex nor condition, and that will hang, burn, waste, boil, flay, strangle, and bury alive these infamous heretics; rip up the stomachs and wombs of their women, and crush their infants' heads against the walls in order to annihilate their execrable race. That when the same cannot be done openly I will secretly use the poisonous cup, the strangulation cord, the steel of the poniard, or the leaden bullet, regardless of the honour, rank, dignity or authority of the persons, whatever may be their condition in life, either public or private, as I at any time may be directed so to do by any agents of the Pope or Superior of the Brotherhood of the Holy Father of the Society of Jesus. In confirmation of which I hereby dedicate my life, soul, and all corporal powers, and with the dagger which I now receive I will subscribe my name written in my blood in testimony thereof; and should I prove false, or weaken in my determination, may my brethren and fellow soldiers of the militia of the Pope cut off my hands and feet and my throat from ear to ear, my belly be opened and sulphur burned therein with all the punishment that can be inflicted upon me on earth, and my soul shall be tortured by demons in eternal hell forever. That I will in voting always vote for a Knight of Columbus in preference to a Protestant, especially a Mason, and that I will leave my party so to do; that if two Catholics are on the ticket I will satisfy myself which is the better supporter of Mother Church and vote accordingly. That I will not deal with or employ a Protestant if in my power to deal with or employ a Catholic. That I will place Catholic girls in Protestant families that a weekly report may be made of the inner movements of the heretics. That I will provide myself with arms and ammunition that I may be in readiness when the word is passed, or I am commanded to defend the Church either as an individual or with the militia of the Pope. All of which I,_______________, do swear by the blessed Trinity and blessed sacrament which I am now to receive to perform and on part to keep this my oath. In testimony hereof, I take this most holy and blessed sacrament of the Eucharist and witness the same further with my name written with the point of this dagger dipped in my own blood and seal in the face of this holy sacrament.
(He receives the wafer from the Superior and writes his name with the point of his dagger dipped in his own blood taken from over his heart.)
(Superior speaks:)
You will now rise to your feet and I will instruct you in the Catechism necessary to make yourself known to any member of the Society of Jesus belonging to this rank. In the first place, you, as a Brother Jesuit, will with another mutually make the ordinary sign of the cross as any ordinary Roman Catholic would; then one crosses his wrists, the palms of his hands open, and the other in answer crosses his feet, one above the other; the first points with forefinger of the right hand to the centre of the palm of the left, the other with the forefinger of the left hand points to the centre of the palm of the right; the first then with his right hand makes a circle around his head, touching it; the other then with the forefinger of his left hand touches the left side of his body just below his heart; the first then with his right hand draws it across the throat of the other, and the latter then with a dagger down the stomach and abdomen of the first. The first then says Iustum; and the other answers Necar; the first Reges; the other answers Impious. The first will then present a small piece of paper folded in a peculiar manner, four times, which the other will cut longitudinally and on opening the name Jesu will be found written upon the head and arms of a cross three times. You will then give and receive with him the following questions and answers:
From whither do you come? Answer: The Holy faith.
Whom do you serve? Answer: The Holy Father at Rome, the Pope, and the Roman Catholic Church Universal throughout the world.
Who commands you? Answer: The Successor of St. Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the Society of Jesus or the Soldiers of Jesus Christ.
Who received you? Answer: A venerable man in white hair.
How? Answer: With a naked dagger, I kneeling upon the cross beneath the banners of the Pope and of our sacred order.
Did you take an oath? Answer: I did, to destroy heretics and their governments and rulers, and to spare neither age, nor sex, nor condition; to be as a corpse without any opinion or will of my own, but to implicitly obey my Superiors in all things without hesitation or murmuring.
Will you do that? Answer: I will.
How do you travel? Answer: In the bark of Peter the fisherman.
Whither do you travel? Answer: To the four quarters of the globe.
For what purpose? Answer: To obey the orders of my General and Superiors and execute the will of the Pope and faithfully fulfil the conditions of my oaths.
Go ye, then, into all the world and take possession of all lands in the name of the Pope. He who will not accept him as the Vicar of Jesus and his Vice-Regent on earth, let him be accursed and exterminated.
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dscherck

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Wow, someone believes the debunked Jesuit oath?
The Jesuit Oath Debunked

For those curious, here's the real oath.

I, (name), make my profession, and I promise to Almighty God, in the presence of his Virgin Mother, the whole heavenly court, and all those here present and to you , Reverend Father (Provincial, Rector, etc.) representing the Superior General of the Society of Jesus and his successors and holding the place of God, perpetual poverty, chastity and obedience; and, in conformity with it, special care for the instruction of children, according to the manner of living contained in the apostolic letters of the Society of Jesus and its Constitutions.
I further promise a special obedience to the Sovereign Pontiff in regard to the missions according to the same apostolic letters and Constitutions.
Place (name), in the Church of (name), on the date of (date)
(Signatures of the one making vows and the one receiving them).
 
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Wow, someone believes the debunked Jesuit oath?
The Jesuit Oath Debunked

For those curious, here's the real oath.
I think we know who you are now.

You admit yourself the jesuit order was made to counter the reformation.

Your 'revised' and 'for public consumption' oath has nothing in it about the goals of the order.

Not believable. Sorry.

But keep trying really hard to cover for the murderous Jesuit order. It will help to get all the information out there. The more you attempt to cover them the more they, and you, will be exposed.
 
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Vatican Assassins - Eric John Phelps

Dont agree with him on everything but excellent info on the jesuit order.
 
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Wow, someone believes the debunked Jesuit oath?
The Jesuit Oath Debunked

For those curious, here's the real oath.
Lolz...so the main argument of your source is that, because the damning oath is found in the Library of Congress and in the congressional record it is therefore not genuine?!

I suppose its only genuine if it is found in the Vatican!!

Ahahahahahaha!!
 

Katy-follower

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On another note...

An ex Jesuit, Alberto Rivera, stated that "a sign would be rendered demonstrating Jesuit control of the US White House" The sign? - "The president would take the oath of office facing the Washington monument (obelisk) for the first time".

The first time such an event took place was at the inauguration of Ronald Reagan in 1981"

The tradition was then carried on by the presidents to follow... George HW Bush, Clinton, George W Bush and Obama.
 
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Oh ...it looks like Katy is looking into Alberto Rivera's testimony.

Looks like the local RCC representatives attempted smear job failed.
 

dscherck

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Oh ...it looks like Katy is looking into Alberto Rivera's testimony.

Looks like the local RCC representatives attempted smear job failed.
The truth is a smear job?

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The Jesuits own the 'Skull & Bones' secret society. The Skull & Bones society is Freemason. Freemasonry overlaps and is controlled by the Illuminati. IN OTHER WORDS - THE BLACK POPE/JESUIT IS THE OWNER IN CHARGE OF THE ILLUMINATI, WHICH ALSO NOW OWNS THE GOVERNMENT!

The US Government is a puppet with the Jesuits (Vatican) pulling the strings! (New World Order)
 

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I think we know who you are now.

You admit yourself the jesuit order was made to counter the reformation.

Your 'revised' and 'for public consumption' oath has nothing in it about the goals of the order.

Not believable. Sorry.

But keep trying really hard to cover for the murderous Jesuit order. It will help to get all the information out there. The more you attempt to cover them the more they, and you, will be exposed.
Yea, someone is WAY too into conspiracies. I'm not a Jesuit, I am a Christian father who tends to play too many video games and loves his little girl. But go ahead and believe I am some sort secret agent. It is sort of flattering. But seriously, if all it takes in your mind to make a secret Jesuit agent is some basic Google skills... Just wow.

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The Jesuits own the 'Skull & Bones' secret society. The Skull & Bones society is Freemason. Freemasonry overlaps and is controlled by the Illuminati. IN OTHER WORDS - THE BLACK POPE/JESUIT IS THE OWNER IN CHARGE OF THE ILLUMINATI, WHICH ALSO NOW OWNS THE GOVERNMENT!

The US Government is a puppet with the Jesuits (Vatican) pulling the strings! (New World Order)
Katy....you are doing some good research.

But the Jesuits and Vatican are pretty low level. They are an integral part of the system but they are a baby daughter of the Mother of Harlots.

Freemasonry is heavily involved you are right. Freemasonry and Talmudism are INSEPERABLE. Example....NOAHIDE LAWS.

The higher orders of Masonry include the order of B'nai B'rith (they make all the lovely thought police hate crime laws with their offshoot the ADL) and above them.....The Elders?

Keep going Katy. Dont stop at the Vatican. Small fry.

Here is part 5 of a youtube series I made on the Noahide Laws. It explains a little of the link between modern talmudic Judaism and Freemasonry. (you can catch the rest of the episodes if you click on the button that says '5 videos' next to my username on the youtube page). Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpSErLzCFMk

[video]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpSErLzCFMk[/video]