Total Depravity

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Feb 23, 2011
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I think I might change flags and find an "irrational" photo for my avatar since it irritates Scott so much.

I'm thinking New Zealand and Lady Gaga. Then I would be a kiwi hermaphrodite....... NOT!

Such criticism is ridiculous and juvenile.
 
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I think I might change flags and find an "irrational" photo for my avatar since it irritates Scott so much.

I'm thinking New Zealand and Lady Gaga. Then I would be a kiwi hermaphrodite....... NOT!


Such criticism is ridiculous and juvenile.



"Nothing really matters, anyone can see; nothing really matters .... to me!" -- Freddy Mercury, "Queen", "Bohemian Rhapsody.



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God bless America, land that I love; stand beside Her, and guide Her, Through the night, with a Light from Above!



 
Feb 16, 2011
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Total Depravity takes away from Total Guilit. If we say we couldn't help but sin because of our condition as sinners, we are saying we are not completely at fault for our sins. We must consider ourselves the sinner, the one who did wickedness. We must believe in choice to sin, in order to admit we are the sinner. If we believe total depravity we are not confessing our sins like we are guilty.
 
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The Vatican entered into a Concordat with Hitler, thus showing papism's worldly nature.
The Moscow Patriarchate did something similar in the former Soviet Union in 1927 AD. Thus causing a schism within Russian Orthodoxy. The true church of the Orthodox was persecuted; the Official Moscow Patriarchate compromised with Stalinism.
The Concordat was a necessity, the Vatican was in the center of fascist Italy. The Catholic Church continued to work against Hitler during the war, we just did it in secret.
 
Jun 24, 2010
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I believe it is very important for every believer to have an understanding of and conviction from the Holy Spirit through the scriptures concerning the total depravity of all men, before a holy God, but at the same time to realize that one soul in the eyes of God is worth more than to gain the whole world (Mt 16:26)...

26 For what is a man profited , if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

This is the depravity of man, which is to possess and gain all things that this world could provide, yet lose their own soul and become lost to eternal life provided by their Maker through the Lord Jesus Christ. The total depravity of being so blind that they can not discern or perceive where they will end up even though they possess all things and have need of nothing. They never see or realize that it has been the goodness of God that has provided the air they breath and the hand of God the food they and their family have to eat. They never acknowledge God for their existence and for how God has created them in the womb and given them life through conception. If this is the perception of the man in the depravity of his unbelief, what should ours be that have believed? Are we to be as arrogant and live in the self conceit of ignorance as those that have no fear of God?
 

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Torture and totalitarianism? What planet do you live on? That happens in Islamic countries. When Western countries do what they have to do, it is self-defense. The enemy is not the USA. The USA are the good guys. The people who attacked the USA on 9-11-01 are the bad guys. Waterboarding is a minor interrogation technique. It causes no permanent harm to the people who undergo it. 9-11-01 caused permanent harm (death) to nearly 3000 people from 93 nations, not just from the USA, and some of the people who died were Muslims being slaughtered by other Muslims who don't represent the best form of Islam. The best form of Islam is moderate and law-abiding.
i agree the 9-11 perps are the bad guys.
you think it was arabs from cave.
so its okay to target arabs.

some people REFUSE to learn from history.

the patriot act is FOR YOU. YOU are the terrorist.
oh well. you like it, that's what you get.

ya good guys...talk about depravity










WAY TO GO SCOTT.
 
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zone

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I think I might change flags and find an "irrational" photo for my avatar since it irritates Scott so much.

I'm thinking New Zealand and Lady Gaga. Then I would be a kiwi hermaphrodite....... NOT!

Such criticism is ridiculous and juvenile.
he-e-e-e-ey...that gives me an idea:D
 
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Muslimism is a little more dangerous than Cessationism. But both of them have a danger. Your view of 9-11 is stupid Zone. We all know who did it. It was not the U.S. government. You are like a Cessationist at a Pentecostal party. No one in the U.S. would believe that we did it to ourselves. They would have to be stupid. We know the Muslims were on the planes. We know they do suicidal war. And they told us that they did it! What more do you need?
 

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Muslimism is a little more dangerous than Cessationism. But both of them have a danger. Your view of 9-11 is stupid Zone. We all know who did it. It was not the U.S. government. You are like a Cessationist at a Pentecostal party. No one in the U.S. would believe that we did it to ourselves. They would have to be stupid. We know the Muslims were on the planes. We know they do suicidal war. And they told us that they did it! What more do you need?
sorry jonathan.
your thinking on this matter is the most dangerous of all.
 
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sorry jonathan.
your thinking on this matter is the most dangerous of all.
Rational thought is dangerous? If you can't tell my tolerance for 9-11 conspiracy theories ran out in 2007
 

zone

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Rational thought is dangerous? If you can't tell my tolerance for 9-11 conspiracy theories ran out in 2007
that's fine santo.
it won't be long and even the deniers will know.

it's all about this:




the first the excuse was saddam hussein and non-existent wmd.
then it was bin laden.
and on and on and on.

but nobody wants to remember that part.
 
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sorry jonathan.
your thinking on this matter is the most dangerous of all.
I don't believe in torture but I do believe that God would allow us to go to war with the Muslims who took part in 9-11. They must be brought to justice for what they did on 9-11. I believe God blesses the war on terriorism. I believe the most dangerous way of thinking is that of the Muslims.
 

zone

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I don't believe in torture but I do believe that God would allow us to go to war with the Muslims who took part in 9-11. They must be brought to justice for what they did on 9-11. I believe God blesses the war on terriorism. I believe the most dangerous way of thinking is that of the Muslims.
God blesses the "war on terrorism"?
what blasphemy.

what ignorance. you are complicit, then.
 
Feb 16, 2011
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God blesses the "war on terrorism"?
what blasphemy.

what ignorance. you are complicit, then.

If someone murdered your friends or countrymen you would hope God blessed the government to catch them. I don't know what nationality you really are since you change it, but if it was your country I don't think you would be against it. God blesses the police and the military to bring people to justice. That's not blaspheme; it's the answer to prayer.
 
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Muslimism is a little more dangerous than Cessationism. But both of them have a danger. Your view of 9-11 is stupid Zone. We all know who did it. It was not the U.S. government. You are like a Cessationist at a Pentecostal party. No one in the U.S. would believe that we did it to ourselves. They would have to be stupid. We know the Muslims were on the planes. We know they do suicidal war. And they told us that they did it! What more do you need?
What hypocrisy to slaughter the muslims for a mispercieved attack by those of the Islamic faith on 911!

Zone is right Jonathan about 911 whether you choose to believe or not is irrelevant. Do you really think the media in your country has told you everything as it happened? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA that's funny!

Look at your own history and learn from it. JFK we all know who's responsible for that don't we?

Quit looking at it from a nationalistic point of view rather look at it as a monetarily and power based one

without political borders. Politics is how the big boys play in the sandbox using candidates hand picked

by the upper eschalon to bring their vision of how the world should be into being. How many of your last

12 presidents are Skull and Bonesman?
 
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What hypocrisy to slaughter the muslims for a mispercieved attack by those of the Islamic faith on 911!

Zone is right Jonathan about 911 whether you choose to believe or not is irrelevant. Do you really think the media in your country has told you everything as it happened? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA that's funny!

Look at your own history and learn from it. JFK we all know who's responsible for that don't we?

Quit looking at it from a nationalistic point of view rather look at it as a monetarily and power based one

without political borders. Politics is how the big boys play in the sandbox using candidates hand picked

by the upper eschalon to bring their vision of how the world should be into being. How many of your last

12 presidents are Skull and Bonesman?
That's all crap. That's your hatred for the USA. Information about Muslims is not all from the US government and we are not the only country they attacked. It's world news. They attacked other countries aswell. It's not U.S. history that we blow up ourselves. The U.S. government has no history of killing it's own citizens. Would you believe it was your government if it happened to you? It doesn't make since, especially if you know how the government works. They didn't get anything from it. It's stupid to think the US government had anything to do with it.
 
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Never let your nationality supercede Christ. Doing so further displays the scope of Total Depravity.
 
Aug 18, 2011
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That's all crap. That's your hatred for the USA. Information about Muslims is not all from the US government and we are not the only country they attacked. It's world news. They attacked other countries aswell. It's not U.S. history that we blow up ourselves. The U.S. government has no history of killing it's own citizens. Would you believe it was your government if it happened to you? It doesn't make since, especially if you know how the government works. They didn't get anything from it. It's stupid to think the US government had anything to do with it.
1 No it's the truth
2 I do not hate any nation including the U.S.A.
3 The Muslims are the scapegoat............... not the enemy! Come on! LOL
4 The majority of world news is owned and operated by royters international or the associated press who's owners are the most likely candidates for the 911 conspiracy as it has come to be known actually
5 The U.S. is guilty of many crimes perpetrated on it's own citizens especially military personnel!
6 once again it's not about the whole government thing it doesn't take a whole Government to pull off a job like this maybe as few as 24 people involved most of which would be eliminated on 911 or shortly thereafter!
If it wasn't for the likes of Aaron Russo and Alex Jones you would not even be aware of it at all!
No one is blaming the entire government just those at the top who knew of the impending doom and did nothing because they were in on it from the get go. Look up Aarron Russo on youtube and see for yourself
 
Feb 23, 2011
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Would that be the United States (US) or United States of America (USA). Few know the crucial difference. For those who don't... God help you, but you likely wouldn't believe it if you were told.

BTW... JFK was assassinated because he issued an Executive Order to return us to a precious metals standard, issue national currency, and abolish the private Fed. Reckon who might have been miffed about that?!

Everybody just tends to the 9-5, mortgage, and VISA bill while singing Kum-ba-ya.