The sons of God in genesis 6

[CBM82]

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Who gave them power to become sons of God? Jesus

What does that mean? They didnt have the power to be sons of God before Christ

Why? because they were born of blood, by the will of flesh, by the will of man, not directly by God. Not "born from above"

 

[CBM82]

So you are not 100% sure so you have some doubt

Yes, I said that from the start

I know sometimes it seems like I make my arguments as if I'm certain

 

[Laodicea]

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

Who gave them power to become sons of God? Jesus

What does that mean? They didnt have the power to be sons of God before Christ

Why? because they were born of blood, by the will of flesh, by the will of man, not directly by God. Not "born from above"

The message of Christ has been preached since the fall and since Jesus is God and existed before then He could easily have given them power to become the sons of God to those who accepted Christ in the OT
Hebrews 13:8
(8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

 

[2knowhim]

Gen 6:2 That the sonsH1121 of GodH430 sawH7200 (H853) the daughtersH1323 of menH120 thatH3588 theyH2007 were fair;H2896 and they tookH3947 them wivesH802 of allH4480 H3605 whichH834 they chose.H977




bane "Son"
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251, etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.


And neither of you is hearing what I'm saying, in the old testament why is
Sons always translated as Son, singular?

Even Children is still Bane, Son, Singular.

 

[Laodicea]

Gen 6:2 That the sonsH1121 of GodH430 sawH7200 (H853) the daughtersH1323 of menH120 thatH3588 theyH2007were fair;H2896 and they tookH3947 them wivesH802 of allH4480 H3605 whichH834 they chose.H977




bane "Son"
From H1129; a son (as a builder of the family name), in the widest sense (of literal and figurative relationship, including grandson, subject, nation, quality or condition, etc., (like H1, H251, etc.): - + afflicted, age, [Ahoh-] [Ammon-] [Hachmon-] [Lev-]ite, [anoint-]ed one, appointed to, (+) arrow, [Assyr-] [Babylon-] [Egypt-] [Grec-]ian, one born, bough, branch, breed, + (young) bullock, + (young) calf, X came up in, child, colt, X common, X corn, daughter, X of first, + firstborn, foal, + very fruitful, + postage, X in, + kid, + lamb, (+) man, meet, + mighty, + nephew, old, (+) people, + rebel, + robber, X servant born, X soldier, son, + spark, + steward, + stranger, X surely, them of, + tumultuous one, + valiant[-est], whelp, worthy, young (one), youth.


And neither of you is hearing what I'm saying, in the old testament why is
Sons always translated as Son, singular?

Even Children is still Bane, Son, Singular.

So then what are you saying? Who are the sons of God in Gen 6?

 

[CBM82]

The message of Christ has been preached since the fall and since Jesus is God and existed before then He could easily have given them power to become the sons of God to those who accepted Christ in the OT
Hebrews 13:8
(8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

I dont know that I agree because I believe he had to be crucified so that we can be "born again" or "born from above" and not of flesh and blood

 

[CBM82]

laodicea can you at least admit though, that the angel theory has some merit?

 

[AnandaHya]

Adam is the only man in the old testament that fits the criteria of "was born not of blood, nor of flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God". Adam is also the only man in the old testament ever called a "son of God". We know it wasn't Adam in genesis 6.....So who else could fit the criteria? Only angels

The more I think about it, the more the evidence is overwhelmingly in favor of the angel theory

not true.

Solomon was called the son of God.

2 Samuel 7
12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever.”’”

17 According to all these words and according to all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David.

1 Chronicles 22
7 And David said to Solomon: “My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build a house to the name of the Lord my God; 8 but the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have made great wars; you shall not build a house for My name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in My sight. 9 Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies all around. His name shall be Solomon,[a] for I will give peace and quietness to Israel in his days. 10 He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son, and I will be his Father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.’


angels are not just celestial beings so, not sure what you mean by "the angel theory"

angel means "messenger of God"

 

[Laodicea]

I dont know that I agree because I believe he had to be crucified so that we can be "born again" or "born from above" and not of flesh and blood

Revelation 13:8
(8) And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

The people in the OT looked forward in faith we look back in faith, either way we are sons of God by faith

 

[Laodicea]

laodicea can you at least admit though, that the angel theory has some merit?

No, otherwise the book of Enoch would have some merit which teaches the same thing as you are saying and has the giants as 300 feet tall

 

[2knowhim]

So then what are you saying? Who are the sons of God in Gen 6?

Those of Adam's Image,...... not God's image.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

The Fallen Nature.

 

[CBM82]

No, otherwise the book of Enoch would have some merit which teaches the same thing as you are saying and has the giants as 300 feet tall

The book of enoch is probably perverted exaggerated truth

Some believe Jude quoted from the book of enoch

Jude 14

"And about these also Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied, saying, "Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones" (Jude 14).
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[Laodicea]

Those of Adam's Image,...... not God's image.

Gen 5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

The Fallen Nature.

I am still not 100% sure what you are saying although I am getting there. What about Cain? The Bible does not say that Cain was after his image but seth and they called upon the name of God
Genesis 4:25-26
(25) And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
(26) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

It should also be noted that Seth replaced Abel who was a true worshiper of God. He worshiped God according to God's way while Cain worshiped God his own way

 

[Laodicea]

not true.

Solomon was called the son of God.

2 Samuel 7
12 “When your days are fulfilled and you rest with your fathers, I will set up your seed after you, who will come from your body, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build a house for My name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14 I will be his Father, and he shall be My son. If he commits iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men and with the blows of the sons of men. 15 But My mercy shall not depart from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I removed from before you. 16 And your house and your kingdom shall be established forever before you. Your throne shall be established forever.”’”

17 According to all these words and according to all this vision, so Nathan spoke to David.

1 Chronicles 22
7 And David said to Solomon: “My son, as for me, it was in my mind to build a house to the name of the Lord my God; 8 but the word of the Lord came to me, saying, ‘You have shed much blood and have made great wars; you shall not build a house for My name, because you have shed much blood on the earth in My sight. 9 Behold, a son shall be born to you, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies all around. His name shall be Solomon,[a] for I will give peace and quietness to Israel in his days. 10 He shall build a house for My name, and he shall be My son, and I will be his Father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel forever.’


angels are not just celestial beings so, not sure what you mean by "the angel theory"

angel means "messenger of God"

Yes that is good

 

[iamsoandso]

so Gabriel "who is lead by the spirit of god",,,,,,, a "son of god"????????????,,,and was also samjahzah,,,before he fell or Ezequiel????????,,,,,,,who are you who have come from the fingerprint of the lord god?????,,,,,,,are you the sons of god?????????of whom are you begotten?????????did not god create both you and the angel????????????,,,,,,,,,,,whose sons are you???????????????????

 

[2knowhim]

I am still not 100% sure what you are saying although I am getting there. What about Cain? The Bible does not say that Cain was after his image but seth and they called upon the name of God
Genesis 4:25-26
(25) And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth: For God, said she, hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew.
(26) And to Seth, to him also there was born a son; and he called his name Enos: then began men to call upon the name of the LORD.

It should also be noted that Seth replaced Abel who was a true worshiper of God. He worshiped God according to God's way while Cain worshiped God his own way

Yes, and there you have it the two different natures that I've been trying to
get across to both of you. Even though seth was born in iniquity, in the image of
Adam, he became a worshiper of God, And to me that speaks of us who have
been born again. Cain not so, even though we know that he knew God to a certain
extent, "just enough to be dangerous," Which speaks to me as being Religious, which
The Lord had a problem with in the Day He came.

So, to my understanding, these sons of God in Gen. 6 are the ones who know just enough
to produce Giants, ......False propets, False Doctrines, Beastial, carnally minded.

These are the Fallen Ones in this World today, They minister, preach, teach, and more than
anything control the minds of babes in christ. There called Denominations, and last I heard
there is about 33,000 different ones. When there should be NO DIVISIONS AMONG US.

But they are held in chains of Darkness, and now you know exactly what I am talking about.
The Tower of Babylon is another form of Religion.
The Giants always appear, right where the people of God ought to be.
The promise land, in the presence with the sons of God before Him in Job, etc.


Allright, now you can begin to rip into me. But I believe what I believe.

 

[shroom2]

The message of Christ has been preached since the fall and since Jesus is God and existed before then He could easily have given them power to become the sons of God to those who accepted Christ in the OT
Hebrews 13:8
(8) Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Putting aside your ideas about the deity of Christ for just a second... Before any man in a state of sin (everyone) could become a "son of God", mankind first had to be redeemed by Jesus living a sinless life then giving himself as the sacrifice for sin.

The "sons of God" in Gen 6 are angels. Fallen angels.

 

[Laodicea]

Putting aside your ideas about the deity of Christ for just a second... Before any man in a state of sin (everyone) could become a "son of God", mankind first had to be redeemed by Jesus living a sinless life then giving himself as the sacrifice for sin.

The "sons of God" in Gen 6 are angels. Fallen angels.

Can you prove your theories from the Bible without any comments?

 

[Avinu]

In the hebrew 'sons of God' is "bene Ha Elohim" which in this perticular usage, pertains to the angels. Which coincides with what the hebrew Bible( I have the Bible written in hebrew) says, which is "divine beings" They are also known as Nephilim, which is "fallen ones" or "giants"

 

[RachelBibleStudent]

first of all...in order to reproduce with a human you need to have human DNA...angels are not human so they don't have human DNA...angels interbreeding with humans is about as possible as breeding a zebra with a potato...

anyway this is -not- what scripture says happened...a careful reading of the text basically dismantles any theory that angels interbred with humans and produced giant offspring...

first we have to define 'sons of God' and 'daughters of men'... the earliest reference to anyone being a son of God is in exodus 4:22...when God calls israel his firstborn son... the next occurrence is in deuteronomy 32:19...where moses calls the israelites God's sons and daughters... so the 'sons of God' are God's people...which is confirmed later on in the new testament too...

'sons of God' is not a term of -lineage- but rather a term of -allegiance- in that the sons of God are those that belong to the kingdom of God... in the context of genesis 6 this can only refer to the ever dwindling number of godly sethites

to be consistent we would also have to interpret 'daughters of men' in terms of allegiance too...they must be those who belong to the kingdom of men... in the context of genesis 6 this must refer to the ever increasing numbers of worldly cainites...

as the world became more wicked...more and more of the godly sethites married worldly cainites based purely on physical attraction... this situation is repeated many times in the bible...for example in the marriages of esau...and in the book of judges...

why was this displeasing to God? because 'interfaith' marriages rarely result in the children being brought up in the ways of God... basically the godly sethite nation was allowing itself to be consumed by the worldly cainite nation...the children were not being raised to follow God or trust in the messianic promise of genesis 3...and by noah's time the messianic promise was one generation away from being forgotten entirely...

can you imagine what a mess it would have been if jesus had come and nobody...not one person...knew who he was or even realized that it mattered? to prevent this situation from ever becoming a possibility again God later in the bible sets israel apart from the other nations as a special people to preserve his word and his messianic promise...

another point that needs to be made is that the bible does -not- say that the nephilim were the children of the sons of God and daughters of men...and it does -not- say that they were giants...

the reference to 'giants' is a mistranslation in the king james version...the hebrew word there is 'nephilim'...which by the way does -not- mean 'fallen ones'...there is nothing in the hebrew etymology that implies the nephilim have anything to do with fallen angels...

what the word 'nephilim' actually means is 'those who fell'...not fell in the sense of something falling to the ground...but more like in the sense of felling trees...knocking things down... the nephilim were people who struck other people down...

so nephilim does not refer to a specific tribe or bloodline but rather to a way of living...nephilim lived lives characterized by violence towards others...they were mass murderers...like the khmer rouge of the ancient world...

this agrees perfectly with what the beginning of genesis 6 is about in the first place...God is upset because the earth is filled with violence...violence no doubt caused by the nephilim for whom violence was a way of life...

more proof that the nephilim were human and not angel-human hybrids is found in the fact that there were nephilim present long -after- the flood too...when any bloodline that wasn't in noah's ancestry should have already been wiped out... also numbers 13 indicates that the anakites were of the nephilim...and the anakites can be shown to be an unambiguously human clan...specifically a clan of the rephaite tribe...which was a tribe of the amorite nation...which was a nation of the canaanite people...descendants of canaan son of ham son of noah...fully human just like us...

finally i must point out that the bible nowhere says that the nephilim were offspring of the sons of God and daughters of men...it only says that they were on the earth 'in those days'...in the days when the sons of God were marrying the daughters of men and having children... it is like saying 'there were computers in the world back when my parents got married and had children'...language which in no way implies that the computers are the children of my parents...

now it only remains to ask the question...if this concept of angel-human marriages and hybrid offspring is not biblical...then where does it come from? the truth is that it comes from pagan mythologies which were -full- of demi-gods... for example gilgamesh was said to be two thirds divine and one third human...and zeus was reported to have produced entire nations with human women...

in post old testament times some of the jewish people were influenced by these pagan mythologies...which is why we find examples of the 'angel theory' in the book of enoch and in some of the jewish commentaries... in more modern times they have been popularized by some of christianity's 'usual suspects'...cults such as the 'serpent seed' movement...and some of the christians who promote conspiracy theories... finally some new agers have latched on to this idea...inspired more by the ancient pagan mythologies than by any biblical considerations...