Joyce Meyer: Do you like or dislike her? Explain!

[next_step]

I like her, and bet she can preach better than any of you naysayers. The difference between you and her is, she preaches positive messages from the Word, all you can do is lay down the law and focus on the negative, don't do this, shouldn't do that. I'd be listening to her, not you.

Well considering the content she is not very good. Quite bad even. But if you mean rethoric? Maybe.

17For Christ has not sent me to baptise, but to preach glad tidings; not in wisdom of word, that the cross of the Christ may not be made vain. 1. Corinthians 1

I wonder what your foundation is. You pastor? Your church? The zeitgeist? your feelings?

In the context of this rule concerining the assembly Paul says this in 1. Corinthians 14.



37If any one thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him recognise the things that I write to you, that it is [the] Lord's commandment.
38But if any be ignorant, let him be ignorant.



It's a waste of time for Paul to discuss with those who cannot obey the easiest things.




20Brethren, be not children in [your] minds, but in malice be babes; but in [your] minds be grown [men].

 

[MahogonySnail]

Like I said, naysayer, she preaches a more positive message than it seems you do. Bet you can't preach as good as her. :0)

 

[RoboOp]

Here's a good streaming audio analysis of some of her "teaching" (with actual audio excerpts):

http://christianchat.com/joycemeyer

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[Baruch]

Straight from the source (her own website):

http://www.joycemeyer.org/AboutUs/AboutJoyce/

The very first sentence says "Joyce Meyer is one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers."

And at the end of the page, it presents all her PhD's in theology.

The page says nothing to indicate that she just does women's ministry.

So I sure do get the impression that she has set herself up, or allowed herself to be set up, as "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers", to people in general, both men and women -- not a woman's ministry.

Look at two scriptures here.. one about what women should not be trying to do, and another about what women should be doing instead.

Here's the one regarding what they should not be doing:

1 Timothy 2:

11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.

Now, even if she's not doing it in an official "church"... is there really much difference at all?

And look at this scripture, which tells what mature older gifted women can/should do -- this is true "women's ministry":

Titus 2:

3Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

Now take an honest look at those two poles:

1 Timothy 2 which says what Joyce Meyer should not do: she should not try to teach the Bible in general to men and women (setting herself up as "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers"), or having any authority over men (which she inevitably does, being "one of the world's leading" Bible teachers, and being the head of this huge ministry which is not specifically for women)

and Titus 2 which says what she should do: she should teach younger women womanly things (including, loving their husbands and children, being subject to their husbands, etc.). And by the way, there is a HUGE need for women in today's society to be taught and encouraged in these things.

Now tell me, honestly, which pole is she closer to? The one regarding what she should not try to do, or the one regarding what she should do?

And by the way, looking at her article database at http://www.joycemeyer.org/OurMinistries/EverydayAnswers/ I cannot find some of these womanly topics that she's supposed to teach (like Titus 2 says), such as women being subject to their husbands, loving their husbands, being busy at home, etc. (help me find it if you can). I find every other topic. (Yes, I know there are many other practical things for women to deal with but still the main ones that Titus 2 mentions seem to be oddly missing, at least from the list I see on her site.) Joyce Meyer could do a world of good if she would focus on teaching women, and teaching those womanly things that are so sorely neglected today. Instead of trying to be "one of the world's leading practical Bible teachers", teaching men and women all of the Bible.

And look at this: if this doesn't settle the question, I don't know what will. Straight from her own website:

Joyce Meyer began teaching the Word of God in 1976 and entered full-time ministry in 1980. She started by developing, coordinating and teaching a weekly meeting as an associate pastor in a church in St. Louis, Missouri. After 5 years she established her own ministry called Life In The Word.


So, she began as an associate pastor of a church, teaching a weekly meeting. Are you telling me that she wasn't teaching and having authority over men? Then she basically moved up to doing it on a much larger scale, actually.

And here:



Is Joyce Meyer an ordained minister?

• Joyce was ordained over 25 years ago. She has a worldwide congregation through the Enjoying Everyday Life television and radio programs. Joyce speaks regularly at public conferences in the United States and around the world. She also preaches occasionally at the St. Louis Dream Center church, an inner-city outreach of Joyce Meyer Ministries.​

So, she was "ordained" to be a pastor over men and women, became an associate pastor of a church, with authority over men, and even now she occasionally does the preaching at a church (but not every Sunday because she's too busy being "one of the world's leading" Bible teachers, to her new "worldwide congregation" of both men and women). So, these are some facts. So there's no question about her violating the very scripture that she's teaching -- if you take 1 Timothy 2 to mean what it says. And all that, my friends, is not setting a good example for other women to follow.​

So can we just be honest here. If you don't apply 1 Timothy 2 to mean what it sure seems to mean, then just say that. But please don't say that Jocye Meyer just does women's ministry, and does not teach and have authority over men. ​

God bless you all. ​

I thank the Lord for you being a detective. I pray you will do that towards the likes of any woirld renown preacher ... even Bily Graham.

In furthering the detective theme by His grace, one must look at why she is popular in the world when the world and its media hates and hides the truth in unrighteousness.

It is true as you and Baptistrw has declared by the scriptures that she should not be a teacher over men nor lead in an assembly when men of faith are present, but in te mission field or in her own house. The fact that she practically has a congregation moves her beyond what God permits as a mission field. So why the drawing in the world? Why the popularity?

Her teaching has broaden the way in approaching God the Father that the world can relate to as they seek after another spirit to receive. Her testimony of the anointing which exalts her as the sole reason why she is in the "ministry" goes to show "this spirit" exalting her over men. This same spirit that changed the testimony of my neighbor across the street whereas she interpreted it as that was when she was saved, "getting the whole thing at once", even though she was a believer from before, changing her testimony to when she was saved.. and "how" to those that hear and thus teaching error that there is another spirit to receive as Joyce Meyers is also, but she called it an anointing. Both spoke in tongues.

Jesus warned believers to watch and not suffer their houses to be broken through. Ignoring the role of the Holy Ghost and honouring Him and worshipping Him along with God the Father and God the Son and then to the singular as honouring and worshipping God the Holy Spirit directly and solely is how one climbs up another way and suffer their houses to be broken through by a thief... causing confusion in the walk with Christ as well as in the assembly. That is the only reason why the "holy laughter" movement was no longer streamline Pentecostal and Charismatic event in 1994 when the 700 Club reported it as happening across the denomenations in the Protestant churches as well as the Catholic churches.

Jesus provided the clue for discernment as to what a false prophet is and does and the fruit of it as broadening the way that it would be welcomed in the world as it gather grapes of thorns and figs of thistles as being ecumenical in nature exalting the glory of another name over His own through the name of the crusade or ministry or movement.

And the solution is to narrow the way back to the straight gate with His help to avoid false prophets and false spirits. Nothing should be inbetween us and Jesus Christ, our first love... not any religious yoke like the commitmenmt to follow Christ for justification as it is being doen for the assurance of salvation or to an even greater yoke as if that was not enough to the Promise Keepers' porogram as a movement of men keeping their promises to God is the power in living the christian life thus declaring the prophesy that men shall be lovers of their own selves.. having a form of godliness but denying the power thereof teaching of doctrines of the commandments of men: even the second book in the series for Promise Keepers' is entitled, "The Power of a Promise Kept".

Just as placing the Holy Spirit or what they think is the Holy Spirit to be exact inbetween us and Jesus as if having another spirit come on these men as well as women and suddenly speaking in tongues without interpretation means it ios a prayer language and we need that to communicate to God when we do not know what to pray.... and yet no one is alarmed that when a person is praying... knowing what to pray.. this spirit interrupts that prayer and takes over by babbling.

Tongues is not listed as a manifestation for prayer language but as divers kinds of tongues to be interpreted in 1 Corinthians 12the chapter. Women being commanded to be silent in the assembly goes to show God wouyld not bother manifesting tongues in women as the Word of God must first come to men as 1 Corinthians 14:36 refers to.

I pray that God will cuase the increase and allow those that discern this matter to discern other matters that they have not given two thoughts about for discernment by the scriptures or why the world has received these "christian leaders" when by His Word, they should not be populart at all if they speak the Truth and not hide it in unrighteousness. So many speak nine truths and slips in one lie is all the world needs for acceptance and popularity as the world does enter through the broadening of the way as many would in the world. Matthew 7:13-27

Jesus is the only way to God the Father. He meant what He has said. John 14:6 And the Holy Spirit in us is pointing us to Jesus... directly... so that we may rest in Him as His yoke is easy and His burden is light... Matthew 11:28-30 .. whereby we shall hunger no more and thirst no more for we are filled as promised by coming to and believing in Jesus Christ. John 6:35 whereby we are to be witnesses of what He has done... and not serve anything else in His name to seek that glory instead of the glory of the Son Whom the real inner Holy Spirit seeks to do by bearing testimony of Him as He seeks to lead us to do as the Spirit of Truth whereas the spirit of error.. would not... but to steal the attention away from Jesus as religious yokes steal away our rest in Him that He will finish it as the just shall follow Him by faith and not by the deeds of the flesh or the law.

 

[Cherries]

idk when i have watched her she talked ab out how she had to change her personality and how God opened her eyes to the way she was acting towards her husband. she doesnt sound like a man to me or sounds like she is trying to have power over a man in a church, she sounds like a godly woman wih a strong passion for Christ and a ministry that just continues to grow, im sure if Joyce meyer really isnt being used by God and what she is doing is against Him, He will not let her ministry prosper

 

[jaylynn83]

I love joyce meyer, i dont care if she is a woman, .......... Her ministry has brought thousands of people to the lord...... Her testimony had a huge impact on my life, as im sure it has others also.... Ive read most of her books to...

 

[Trilogic]

Although Joyce Mayers has ganered a huge follwowing in America she has done so at the ignorance of God's people. The Bible tells us. " For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge. Romans 10:2 (KJV) This zeal is a tendancy for Christians, even well meaning ones, to heap for themselves preachers to scratch their itchy ears! Joyce Mayers is completely out of God will for women to be quiet in church which is given to us in Gods word. 1 Timothy 2:

11A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent

Titus 2:

3Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. 4Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children, 5to be self-controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.

This woman of God, and i do believe she is saved, but clearly out of Gods will, has willingly overlooked these scripture regarding women preachers. Joyce Mayers should turn her ministry over to a group of elder men for its oversight and submit to their authority. Joyce Mayers, do the right thing and follow the scriptures to the letter, like you say on your website you do. In fact you even say again and again that your the worlds leader in Bbilical Truth. Good, then prove it.

 

[nc19dude]

#1 Her teaching is not the same as Joel Osteen.
#2 She doesn't teach men, but other women.

Hey sorry you disagree but look at her lifestyle and her teachings, they are both (Joyce and Joel) driven by money. as far as teaching men does she state that her teachings are only for women? no.

 

[1still_waters]

I have not seen a lot of her teachings but from what I understand she teaches a be a better you gospel similar to Joel osteen. If we took the time to read the word of God we will see that Jesus an the apostles preached a Gospel of dying to self, carrying your cross, Forsaking everything for Christ. Also as stated before women are not to be teachers among men.

If you die to self and carry your cross you will become a better you

 

[KingdomGeneration]

What about Beth Moore? I don't see too many the old school types picking on her?

 

[Baruch]

If you die to self and carry your cross you will become a better you

Keep in mind that the Masons believe that Freemasonry makes a good man better.

Dying to self is to deny yourself as being able as carrying the cross is to bunderas His yoke which is easy and His burden is light in that He will do it... thus the just shall live by faith in the Son of God and all His promises to us as that is the only Way we can get to know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering.

So in effect.. He weill enable us what we were supposed to be.. a child of God... which He has bought us through the purchase of His Blood and sealed with the spirit of adoption: The Holy Spirit.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

This is not a personal attack on anyone however, I do think it' silly that so many will focus on and argue over the validity of the ministry of Joyce Myers yet when a real issue presents itself, most Christians keep quiet for fear of personal loss or having to actually assume responsibility for their own words / actions.

Where are the Stephens, the Phillips, and the Annas in this day and age? Men who risked it all so that God may be Glorified? Men gave up their lands, their families, their very lives for Christ? Whether you want to believe it or not, those days are coming again. I pray that you all are not among those who "faint" in that hour.

 

[Baruch]

Well considering the content she is not very good. Quite bad even. But if you mean rethoric? Maybe.

17For Christ has not sent me to baptise, but to preach glad tidings; not in wisdom of word, that the cross of the Christ may not be made vain. 1. Corinthians 1

I wonder what your foundation is. You pastor? Your church? The zeitgeist? your feelings?

In the context of this rule concerining the assembly Paul says this in 1. Corinthians 14.

37If any one thinks himself to be a prophet or spiritual, let him recognise the things that I write to you, that it is [the] Lord's commandment.
38But if any be ignorant, let him be ignorant.


It's a waste of time for Paul to discuss with those who cannot obey the easiest things.

It is so. I find though that a response may be warranted if the Lord would edify in the faith others that read it as opposing what Mahogony_Snail would bear witness of which is not the Gospel.

Still, eventully I should withdraw from engaging in such exposure of dead works that deny Him and what He has done for us. I am leaning on Jesus to direct my footsteps. He will do it.

 

[KingdomGeneration]

My concern is for the lost, our church and its condition. Just to use this post http://www.christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=2543 as an example. Why is the church in the shape it is in? Shouldn't there be less of a lack if we are all doing what we are supposed to? The burden of the widows (single parents), orphans, homeless, elderly should not rest on the Government, the Church should be stepping in and do what Jesus said to do!

I observe the televangelist bringing in lots of finances but the vision seems to constantly be 'grow the ministry' , pay for more staff, pay for larger buildings, pay for all the bills to run these places, pay for more cars, pay for jets to get them to their meetings on time and to their cars!!

I think if a person is bringing in an income from being an author of books thats a legitimate income, but all this other money constantly brought in, you would think there would be more change. There should be obvious help given or more effort made to brings churches together to do exactly what Jesus said to do! Too many on welfare too many being neglected; somethings not right in the church today!

Sure I have received some good teaching from Joyce Meyer, but enough is enough of this milking , Gods word does NOT need to be sold anymore! Get in it and do what it says already! You don't need 10 steps to this 7 steps to that 5 ways to this!! Every time they come up with more steps BAM another teaching to sell! So for me its more than just about Joyce Meyer teaching to men (perhaps thats the imbalance and a way for the enemy to get in here),to me its about what we have allowed to become an acceptable way to minister to the people while compromising what Jesus taught us to do. When did it become so necessary to need so much money to spread the word of God? I know some will list the expenses down to a tee, but still it just doesn't add up to me.

The Holy Spirit is indeed here and if you have not asked Him to come and and move in you then I dont know what your waiting for! He will show us everything we need to do where we are to make a difference.

All excellent points Merry!

 

[nc19dude]

If you die to self and carry your cross you will become a better you

You also have to questions what she means by being a better you. Does it mean that you want to be popular, well liked, financially prosperous; instead of walking and abiding in Christ through all things.

 

[watchmen]

What about Beth Moore? I don't see too many the old school types picking on her?

I like her too

 

[TurquoiseLady]

I think Joyce is Great and I can relate to her trials and tribulations...Thank you GOD for bringing her into my life...

 

[Hummingbird61]

To Baptist RW:

Whose opinion is this about women? The Apostle Paul's or Jesus? I believe it was effective in that day but today? Throughout the Bible there were many women in positions of authority. Some were teachers, prophetesses, etc. I do agree that women need to dress more appropriately who profess to worship God. I sometimes question the attire that some parents allow their teenage daughters to wear to church (or anywhere else for that matter).

 

[Hummingbird61]

To all you men out there who make it difficult for a woman to live in a man's world - I think she is an amazing teacher. I can totally relate to her life before Christ because I have been there. I also really respect her HUSBAND who continually supports her in her ministry. He could have used I Timothy 2:11 to stop her but that scripture is an opinion of the Apostle Paul effective to the women of his day. She really found a jewel with her HUSBAND who is so supportive of her ministry. A lot of times he is in the audience which I find very admirable. Not many HUSBANDS would do that.

If men would grow up and be the men God created them to be, then women wouldn't have to pick up the pieces of this broken world that men have created. Look at pornography - created by a man; alcohol - created by a man; cigarettes - created by a man; teenage prostitution - created by a man (because men can't control their desires); rape - men (the occasional woman - which I find hard to believe); domestic abuse - men; child poverty - men; inequality - men; children being raised by single parents - men; divorced women over 50 - men (because they go out and find themselves a younger woman); shall I go on??? Yes, I agree that women's prisons are growing but what is the reason for this? MEN!!!

When reading God's word, we really need to consider the time in history when the scriptures was written, who wrote it, how it applied to the people of that day and and how/if it applies to us today.

The only think that really bothered me about Joyce Meyer was the article I read about her $23,000 toilet. But, she can do what she wants with her money (after she has given to the Lord) right?

 

[Cherries]

*applause* thank you for sharing that humming