Rick Santorum wants to ban hardcore pronography - agree or disagree (POLL)
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In reply to my own post so no one crushes me... I apologise... I did not read many of the points made on the thread.
I agree, porn is bad however, the threat it poses to the freedom to follow God without persecution in the Western world is so much worse. Things are bad at the moment, it's already happening in many countries... so censoring porn could be the beginning of worse to come. =P
Ah well only 80 years or so of this life and I can meet El Shaddai himself
Most exciting... I hope.
I agree, porn is bad however, the threat it poses to the freedom to follow God without persecution in the Western world is so much worse. Things are bad at the moment, it's already happening in many countries... so censoring porn could be the beginning of worse to come. =P
Ah well only 80 years or so of this life and I can meet El Shaddai himself
Most exciting... I hope.
J
Well, they must not be doing that much filtering because there really isn’t or wasn't a huge outcry from free internet speech advocates speaking out against the homeland security act. Doing internet searches for homeland security act and internet filtering really does not result in anything of particular interest other than that some type of filtering software is in the act—must be severely limited filtering technology because it doesn’t filter websites that commit copyright infringement, contain anti-US rhetoric, discuss terrorist activity, and a whole myriad of other types of illegal or unpatriotic content on the internet.
I would guess that what they can filter is extremely limited because it wasn’t too long ago that lawmaker tried to pass the SOPA/PIPA act that would reduce online piracy through filtering, and it was put off due to a large outcry against it. So, basically they could not get it to pass at the moment.
I would guess that what they can filter is extremely limited because it wasn’t too long ago that lawmaker tried to pass the SOPA/PIPA act that would reduce online piracy through filtering, and it was put off due to a large outcry against it. So, basically they could not get it to pass at the moment.
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Not in the US, and that is where Santorum is running for office, so I think the original poster is assuming that we're talking about just in the US. I know this is an international forum that sometimes seems overly US-centric, but in this case I think it's a fair assumption.
Murder is not illegal just because your religion says it's wrong. It's illegal because it's a matter of personal rights: we have the right to life, liberty and happiness.
Let's give another example: Judaism teaches that one cannot work between sundown Friday evening and sundown Saturday evening. Should we pass a law stating that no business can be conducted in those hours? Of course not, because millions of Americans are NOT Jewish, and therefore are not bound by Jewish law.
A law which is just pertaining to one's particular religion has no place in public politics. The fact that many of God's commandments (basically, #5-10) also happen to be important human rules is not an excuse to push all of our commandment onto non-Christians (oh, say 1-4). As long as our constitution stands, non-Christians have just as many rights in this nation as Christians, and I don't want to mess with that, because it's that same right that gives me the right to worship as I see fit.
Murder is not illegal just because your religion says it's wrong. It's illegal because it's a matter of personal rights: we have the right to life, liberty and happiness.
Let's give another example: Judaism teaches that one cannot work between sundown Friday evening and sundown Saturday evening. Should we pass a law stating that no business can be conducted in those hours? Of course not, because millions of Americans are NOT Jewish, and therefore are not bound by Jewish law.
A law which is just pertaining to one's particular religion has no place in public politics. The fact that many of God's commandments (basically, #5-10) also happen to be important human rules is not an excuse to push all of our commandment onto non-Christians (oh, say 1-4). As long as our constitution stands, non-Christians have just as many rights in this nation as Christians, and I don't want to mess with that, because it's that same right that gives me the right to worship as I see fit.
M
Well hmmmm? I agree that it should be ban, but at the same time I say no to the ban. This is because banning hardcore porn would violate freedom of speech laws. So what should we do? Well I believe it should be heavily restricted, more than it is currently.
I wonder will this include prostitution in Nevada? Isn't hardcore porn the same as some one being with a prostitute? Maybe he can ban that too......
I wonder will this include prostitution in Nevada? Isn't hardcore porn the same as some one being with a prostitute? Maybe he can ban that too......
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/23/us/23porn.html
The First Amendment and Obscenity and Public Nudity
found some articles on the history of it and more recent court cases in the US.
though again I state that Santorum did not promise to make NEW laws just enforce the ones already on the books.
The First Amendment and Obscenity and Public Nudity
found some articles on the history of it and more recent court cases in the US.
though again I state that Santorum did not promise to make NEW laws just enforce the ones already on the books.
S
I cannot believe this is even an argument to have. Porn on any level is a filthy, disgusting plauge that does NO good EVER and should be done away with permantely. As long as people have access to it, people are going to be employed doing it and only add to the hecdonistic, God hating mentality of this nation. I don't see how ANY Christian can argue against a ban. "oh well its freedom of speech yadayada BLAHBLAHBLAH" BULLCRAP!!! It's nothing but evil. Total and complete depravity. It's FORNICATION people. Do we not realize that fornication is the one sin that sins against the body!??! It's FILTH and degrades anyone that has ANYTHING to do with it.
It should be gone forever. Period. If you have any respect for morality and God you will agree. There's is NO reason to not support a ban. None whatsoever.
And frankly anyone who doesn't think it should be banned should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
It should be gone forever. Period. If you have any respect for morality and God you will agree. There's is NO reason to not support a ban. None whatsoever.
And frankly anyone who doesn't think it should be banned should be utterly ashamed of themselves.
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Mr. Space Cowboy, we ARE talking freedom of speech.
I completely agree with you that porn is vile, disgusting, evil, and leads to every manner of filth and sin.
Is it more sinful than, say, working on the Sabbath? Is it more sinful than disobeying one's father or mother? Those are both listed in "The Big Ten," and while porn could be seen as an extension of sexual purity, looking at dirty pictures really isn't the same as cheating on your spouse. (Not that that makes it okay, it's just a different sin.)
Should the U.S. pass a law making working on Saturday illegal? Should the U.S. make a law stating that anyone who takes the Lord's name in vain needs to be put to death? That means anyone who says "Jesus" or "God" has to be killed, unless they are praying or referring to our Lord and Savior.
Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?
What happens if Mormons become a majority in this country? Will polygamy become acceptable then, because the religion practiced by a majority of the nation says so?
Or if the majority of the nation happens to be Catholic, would you be okay with requiring all students to say "Hail Mary" at the beginning of class?
Sorry, but it IS about freedom of religion.
I completely agree with you that porn is vile, disgusting, evil, and leads to every manner of filth and sin.
Is it more sinful than, say, working on the Sabbath? Is it more sinful than disobeying one's father or mother? Those are both listed in "The Big Ten," and while porn could be seen as an extension of sexual purity, looking at dirty pictures really isn't the same as cheating on your spouse. (Not that that makes it okay, it's just a different sin.)
Should the U.S. pass a law making working on Saturday illegal? Should the U.S. make a law stating that anyone who takes the Lord's name in vain needs to be put to death? That means anyone who says "Jesus" or "God" has to be killed, unless they are praying or referring to our Lord and Savior.
Is that really the kind of world you want to live in?
What happens if Mormons become a majority in this country? Will polygamy become acceptable then, because the religion practiced by a majority of the nation says so?
Or if the majority of the nation happens to be Catholic, would you be okay with requiring all students to say "Hail Mary" at the beginning of class?
Sorry, but it IS about freedom of religion.
L
That is the problem about this issue, the ppl is taking it as a "matter of religion". We of course as christians know perfectly what bible says and what we need to do.
But ppl should start seeing this issue as a matter of health.
In my opinion, in order to put a law about ban something or not, the goverment should analyze some things like:
- What does scientist say about the effect of porn on ppl.
- What does psychologist say about the effect of porn on teens or adults, does porn causes damages between husbands and wives, does porn could be the origin of murders or other kind of violence on women
-What does stadistics say about consecuences on divorces because the porn, of what does stadistics say about increase on violence because the porn
-What does finances say about the cost of the consecuences of porn
I think that to say that porn is a religious thing is only an excuse to put away our eyes from the damage that this thing is doing to ppl.
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You know, I totally respect this. IF there is scientific evidence that shows porn is truly detrimental to society -- AND that making it illegal will improve society, then I will agree with you. IF someone can prove without a doubt that the negatives of porn outweigh the negatives of limiting personal freedoms, then we can consider making it illegal.
I know a lot of men who use porn. Some of them are depraved. You know what? They would be depraved, whether porn was legal or not. Will making porn illegal prevent abuse on women? Will it increase equal rights in the workplace, and women being treated with respect? I'm not convinced.
But I'm willing to keep an open mind.
I know a lot of men who use porn. Some of them are depraved. You know what? They would be depraved, whether porn was legal or not. Will making porn illegal prevent abuse on women? Will it increase equal rights in the workplace, and women being treated with respect? I'm not convinced.
But I'm willing to keep an open mind.
