All Sins Are Forgiven? Really?

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Wow... so Hitler.. Lady Gaga.. Every worst sinner, hedonistic, selfish, murderous person you can name has had their sins already forgiven and are 'made alive in the Spirit'? Really? Made alive in the Spirit? Cause thats what you verse says. So how are these people made alive in God's Spirit?
 
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hislastwalk

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Wow... so Hitler.. Lady Gaga.. Every worst sinner, hedonistic, selfish, murderous person you can name has had their sins already forgiven and are 'made alive in the Spirit'? Really? Made alive in the Spirit? Cause thats what you verse says. So how are these people made alive in God's Spirit?
I never said they were alive in the spirit.
Worst sinner? No such thing. A sinner is a sinner.
I said Jesus died and forgave them. That forgiveness benefits you NOTHING if you live for yourself & you'll end in destruction. They condemn themselves by denying Christ.
 
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hislastwalk

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..by the way, the verse says Jesus was alive in the spirit. Read it right.
 
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Laodicea

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#24
1 John 1:9 says "if we confess our sins". God has provided everything but, we need to ask or we are not forgiven.
 
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Crossfire

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Hebrews 10: 24-29 "And let us consider and give attentive, continuous care to watching over one another, studying how we may stir up (stimulate and incite) to love and helpful deeds and noble activities, not forsaking or neglecting to assemble together [as believers], as is the habit of some people, but admonishing (warning, urging, and encouraging) one another, and all the more faithfully as you see the day approaching. For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. [There is nothing left for us then] but a kind of awful and fearful prospect and expectation of divine judgment and the fury of burning wrath and indignation which will consume those who put themselves in opposition [to God]."

"[According to the law] Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. [So now] How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)?"


After reading this, do you honestly believe that God / Holy Spirit ignores sin after salvation?
 
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hislastwalk

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Hebrews 10: 24-29 "And let us consider and give attentive, continuous care to watching over one another, studying how we may stir up (stimulate and incite) to love and helpful deeds and noble activities, not forsaking or neglecting to assemble together [as believers], as is the habit of some people, but admonishing (warning, urging, and encouraging) one another, and all the more faithfully as you see the day approaching. For if we go on deliberately and willingly sinning after once acquiring the knowledge of the Truth, there is no longer any sacrifice left to atone for [our] sins [no further offering to which to look forward]. [There is nothing left for us then] but a kind of awful and fearful prospect and expectation of divine judgment and the fury of burning wrath and indignation which will consume those who put themselves in opposition [to God]."

"[According to the law] Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses. [So now] How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)?"


After reading this, do you honestly believe that God / Holy Spirit ignores sin after salvation?
Read that in context. Paul is comparing the Old & New Covenent.
 
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hislastwalk

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#27
1 John 1:9 says "if we confess our sins". God has provided everything but, we need to ask or we are not forgiven.
Does Jesus die more than once? The ticket is paid for, all they gotta do is reach out & grab it.
 
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Laodicea

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#28
Does Jesus die more than once? The ticket is paid for, all they gotta do is reach out & grab it.
To grab it they have to ask, just as it says in 1 John 1:9. It says IF WE CONFESS
 
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hislastwalk

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#29
To grab it they have to ask, just as it says in 1 John 1:9. It says IF WE CONFESS
Confessing is admitting you need a savior. Admitting you sinned. I never once asked.. I told Him thank you. &admitted I was sinner.
 
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mmlj29

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Worst sinner? No such thing. A sinner is a sinner.
While it is true that all sin leads to hell, I dont believe all sinners are equal. That would mean that all damnation is equal, and everything will be equally intolerable in the day of judgment. All which is contrary to what Christ has said.

Joh 19:11 Jesus answered, Thou couldest have no powerat allagainst me, except it were given thee from above: therefore he that delivered me unto thee hath the greater sin.

Mar 12:40Which devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

Mat 11:22But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the day of judgment, than for you.

Mat 11:24But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

Luk 12:47And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared nothimself,neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with manystripes.
Luk 12:48But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with fewstripes.For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
 
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jimmydiggs

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hislastwalk, not everyone is saved, not everyone is forgiven, people will go to hell, and hell will last forever as a giant super-duper-furnace.
 
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hislastwalk

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hislastwalk, not everyone is saved, not everyone is forgiven, people will go to hell, and hell will last forever as a giant super-duper-furnace.
Not everyone is saved, but everyone is forgiven. People condemn themselves by not believing in Christ.
 
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hislastwalk

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Wait, why am I trying to debate with a Calvinist?
 
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Not everyone is saved, but everyone is forgiven. People condemn themselves by not believing in Christ.



They have NO Choice, it is God who grants repentance, It is God who saves without works on our part.
It is God who draws, or should I say Drag them to Christ.

It is God who Quickens, It is God who chooses, the earthly, carnal, corruptible, nature within man does not call on God, without God's Mercy.
 
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hislastwalk

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#36
You've got this part right, now.



Nope, that's part of Justification.

Yep.
So Christ goes and dies multiple times for their sins? Their sins are forgiven, but as I said, it benefits them absolutely nothing if they condemn themselves.
 
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#38
Read that in context. Paul is comparing the Old & New Covenent.
Yes, the author is comparing the Old and New Covenants but in your haste to dismiss the entire passage of scripture altogether, you're missing what the author is saying. Let's look at verses 28 - 29 again:

Hebrews 10:28 (AMP)

"[According to the law] Any person who has violated and [thus] rejected and set at naught the Law of Moses is put to death without pity or mercy on the evidence of two or three witnesses."

Here the author is clearly referring to the Old Covenant however, as we read on into verse 29 the author is now speaking of the New Covenant.

"[So now] How much worse (sterner and heavier) punishment do you suppose he will be judged to deserve who has spurned and [thus] trampled underfoot the Son of God, and who has considered the covenant blood by which he was consecrated common and unhallowed, thus profaning it and insulting and outraging the [Holy] Spirit [Who imparts] grace (the unmerited favor and blessing of God)?[/i]

In verse 29 the author is clearly suggests that the biblical standard has actually been elevated from the Old Covenant to the New because we now have the in dwelling Holy Spirit. In the Old Covenant, when you sinned you answered to man's execution of the law, however under the New Covenant we now answer directly to God thus we are not to 'trample under foot' the New Covenant which was created through Christ's own blood.
 
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If you believe what you say is true, then would you not want that truth to be known?
You absolutely do, but just because you want it to be known, doesn't mean you have the opportunity to share it, some would choke on it.
 
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cfultz3

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#40
You absolutely do, but just because you want it to be known, doesn't mean you have the opportunity to share it, some would choke on it.
Especially when one knows it is poisoned truth