No Such Thing As Free Will!

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RoBoT-7x153-

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James 1: 18; Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.

John 1: 13; Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

John 5: 21; For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

Romans 9: 15-16; For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.

John 6: 39; And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6: 44; No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Ezekiel 36: 9-12; For, behold, I am for you, and I will turn unto you, and ye shall be tilled and sown: And I will multiply men upon you, all the house of Israel, even all of it: and the cities shall be inhabited, and the wastes shall be builded: And I will multiply upon you man and beast; and they shall increase and bring fruit: and I will settle you after your old estates, and will do better unto you than at your beginnings: and ye shall know that I am the Lord. Yea, I will cause men to walk upon you, even my people Israel; and they shall possess thee, and thou shalt be their inheritance, and thou shalt no more henceforth bereave them of men.

Ezekiel 36: 23; And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen, which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

Daniel 4: 35; And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

John 6: 63-66; It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him. And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father. From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.​
 
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cfultz3

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That is what I said to the man who told me to deny Jesus or die. I will tell you the rest when you get to Heaven.
 
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psychomom

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Umm...I'll take 'Is God Sovereign' for $500, Alex."

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intercessorginger

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This is funny!
The proof of "Free Will" is in that you made the CHOICE to start this THREAD!!
 
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RoBoT-7x153-

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HE knew that this thread was going to be posted before it ever was, just as He knew your response before you ever made it. As it's written Isaiah 46: 10; Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. HE chose to give us the vision to read HIS WORD. None of these ''people'' formed themselves in there mother's womb. People do nothing, GOD does everything! Live with it! READ!!!
 
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RoBoT-7x153- said:
HE knew that this thread was going to be posted before it ever was, just as He knew your response before you ever made it. Isaiah 46: 10; Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure. HE chose to give us the vision to read HIS WORD. None of these ''people'' formed themselves in there mother's womb. People do nothing, GOD does everything! Live with it! READ!!!
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Is God responsibile for all our actions?
 
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RoBoT-7x153-

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No, yet God created the actions that are taking place. God created sin, HE doesn't sin but we do. We have to have Jesus Christ in order to make it. The problem has always been ''me'', yet more need to realize this fact and that they can't make it without HIM. Self is the problem, which is why HE says to take your cross and die daily, death to self, and self denial.
 
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RoBoT-7x153- said:
No, yet God created the actions that are taking place. God created sin, HE doesn't sin but we do. We have to have Jesus Christ in order to make it. The problem has always been ''me'', yet more need to realize this fact and that they can't make it without HIM. Self is the problem, which is why HE says to take your cross and die daily, death to self, and self denial.
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But if God put the action into motion so that we can sin, seeing that you said He created sin, then would He not be to blame for the sins we do? I remember where it is said that God cannot be tempted with sin and I do not think that God would make us sin and then judge us for what He Himself has caused us to do.
 
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RoBoT-7x153- said:
No, yet God created the actions that are taking place. God created sin, HE doesn't sin but we do. We have to have Jesus Christ in order to make it. The problem has always been ''me'', yet more need to realize this fact and that they can't make it without HIM. Self is the problem, which is why HE says to take your cross and die daily, death to self, and self denial.
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I agree we need to die to self But, God did not create sin He created freedom of choice because true love comes from freedom of choice. God wants us to serve Him because we choose to. All you are doing by saying that God created sin and the actions taking place is the same thing as Satan did and that is to blame God for everything. God created everything perfect and through wrong choices we are in this mess.
 
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RoBoT-7x153-

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HE says thou shalt not, then HE says that when we do we shall surely die. HE doesn't say if we do, but says when we do we die. Genesis 2: 17; But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die. HE created us, and HE knew what actions we would do before we did them. Which is the reason that we must have JESUS CHRIST. That's what the daily cross is all about, reading GOD's WORD daily, so that the inner man can grow while this outer man dies. GOD doesn't sin but we do, this is why we have to have JESUS. There's no way without the daily cross, and there's no way without HIS WORD that HE has written on fleashy tables of this thing we call a heart. HE definately created sin, because we know that we sin and we know that HE created us. We just have to grow in HIS WORD each day, and the outer man has to die in order to do it. It's a daily cross to carry, that's certain; we need GOD's WORD. :)
 
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RoBoT-7x153-

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HE does too create sin! Stop telling lies to the sheep or you'll pay for it!

Isaiah 45: 7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32: 39; See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

This is what you get for lying!
Micah 6: 12-13; For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth. Therefore also will I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins.

Don't lie to people! Go to the WORD before you speak!

Admit who you are, a sinner! Admit who created you, GOD!
 
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HE does too create sin! Stop telling lies to the sheep or you'll pay for it!

Isaiah 45: 7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32: 39; See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

This is what you get for lying!
Micah 6: 12-13; For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth. Therefore also will I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins.

Don't lie to people! Go to the WORD before you speak!

Admit who you are, a sinner! Admit who created you, GOD!
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Could it be that He brings bad things to happen or He is a God of evil? Perhaps that word 'evil' means something else, like He permits certain evil to happen, like He did to Job? I cannot see worshipping a God of evil, that one is already worshipped by his own people.
 
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RoBoT-7x153- said:
HE does too create sin! Stop telling lies to the sheep or you'll pay for it!

Isaiah 45: 7; I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Deuteronomy 32: 39; See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

This is what you get for lying!
Micah 6: 12-13; For the rich men thereof are full of violence, and the inhabitants thereof have spoken lies, and their tongue is deceitful in their mouth. Therefore also will I make thee sick in smiting thee, in making thee desolate because of thy sins.

Don't lie to people! Go to the WORD before you speak!

Admit who you are, a sinner! Admit who created you, GOD!
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You sure wont catch too many bees with the honey you are using.
 
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RoBoT-7x153-

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There is only 1 who does it all, it gets so difficult being in a double minded world :( that's so very unstable. The problem with people is that they try to justify GOD, while HE doesn't need their justification. People simply need to know what prayer means, proseuchomai means to bow to the will of GOD. HE's GOD and does whatever HE pleases!
 
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This is the only way, by being hated by the world for the TRUTH. I'm going to tell the TRUTH no matter what it takes. I'm not trying to gain approval from the world, I'm going to tell what HIS WORD says! If you want to get approval by ''them'' I can assure you that they will lead you straight to hell. Go to the WORD if you want the TRUTH, go to the world if you want lies.
 
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RoBoT-7x153- said:
There is only 1 who does it all, it gets so difficult being in a double minded world :( that's so very unstable. The problem with people is that they try to justify GOD, while HE doesn't need their justification. People simply need to know what prayer means, proseuchomai means to bow to the will of GOD. HE's GOD and does whatever HE pleases!
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So if He does it all, then what right does He have to judge those who are offensive towards Him? Let us stay on one subject at a time....
 
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I'd be curious to hear the OP's interpretation of Matthew 23:37:

"Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling."
 
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If I have no free will then I have no choice to sin. If I have no free will, then there is no opportunity for me to choose God. God blaming us for our sin is preposterous who would worship a God such as that only a fool.

Robot is simply spouting absurdities. btw you are leaving out the passages you really do know that acknowledge freewill because you're being dishonest, a Son of Satan Himself. Remind me to put you on ignore if you ever post again.
 
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RoBoT-7x153-

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Read Romans 9
Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will? Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus? Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?

HE's GOD! That's HIS right! Here's your sign, lol!
 
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cfultz3

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Robot,

I see that you are young and need of milk and there are plenty of milky things to learn before you can eat meat. Why not learn first so that you will not call God a god of sin.
 
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