Was Adam alive as specks of dirt?

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smithbr8

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Reason why I ask is that would be where Adam was kept prior to life....so wouldn't the dirt be like the womb? Di Adam's life begin at the creation of dirt since it became man without any outside forces stopping it?
 
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gracethroughfaith

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No Adam was not alive as spect of dirt, the dirt was dirt as God created it. Adam was not created as dirt. He was formed from the dirt.

Genesis 2:7 (KJV)
7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Man was formed of the dust and then God breathed life into Adam, then he became alive.
 

musiclover123

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Adam was formed from the dust of the ground. It's not that the dust itself had any life in it, or life-giving ability.
The body of Adam was not alive until God breathed the breath of Life into Him. God is the only life-giver and life-sustainer

Some people may doubt this actually happened, but then again many people also underestimate God's power at time.
If he could raise to life skeletons from the Valley of dry bones in Ezekiel 37, and then recover them with flesh and skin, why is the other so hard to imagine?
 
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He formed him from the dust of the ground.
And breathed into him the breath of life.
And he became a living soul.
 

JaumeJ

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Reason why I ask is that would be where Adam was kept prior to life....so wouldn't the dirt be like the womb? Di Adam's life begin at the creation of dirt since it became man without any outside forces stopping it?

Look to any cemetary, and perhaps you will understand. Plant something and watch it grow. Not trying to be cryptic here. Yahweh breathes life into any creature, the operative word here is creature, something created.
 

1Watchman

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To say that "God breathes" life into any creature is not a true statement. God has many names and each name represents a particular relationship to whom or with what he is relating to. God [Elohiym], as Creator in Genesis Chapter 1, did not breathe into any part of creation. In Genesis Chapter 1 Creator God created, spoke and made everything into existence. In Genesis Chapter 2 we see a completely different relationship as God identifies himself as the LORD God [Yhovah Elohiym], the Covenant Keeping God. The LORD God "formed (squeezed or molded into shape)" Adam and breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life and Adam became a living soul. Please don't misunderstand me, this is not a criticism, I am simply pointing out the importance of in-depth study to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
 

JaumeJ

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To say that "God breathes" life into any creature is not a true statement. God has many names and each name represents a particular relationship to whom or with what he is relating to. God [Elohiym], as Creator in Genesis Chapter 1, did not breathe into any part of creation. In Genesis Chapter 1 Creator God created, spoke and made everything into existence. In Genesis Chapter 2 we see a completely different relationship as God identifies himself as the LORD God [Yhovah Elohiym], the Covenant Keeping God. The LORD God "formed (squeezed or molded into shape)" Adam and breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life and Adam became a living soul. Please don't misunderstand me, this is not a criticism, I am simply pointing out the importance of in-depth study to rightly divide the Word of Truth.
There is nothing living that is not living by the will of our Father, not one thing. The host of heaven, the beast of the field, that which swarms in the sea, and that which flies in the skies, not one plant, flower or tree exists without it being the will of Yahweh. It is not dividing the Word rightly or wrongly, it is the wisdom of the Holy Spirit, the breath of Yahweh, which has created all that is by the Word.


Psa 33:6 By the word of the LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth.

בדבר יהוה שׁמים נעשׂו וברוח פיו כל־צבאם
 
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jimmydiggs

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Reason why I ask is that would be where Adam was kept prior to life....so wouldn't the dirt be like the womb? Di Adam's life begin at the creation of dirt since it became man without any outside forces stopping it?
Sounds like you're trying to make a point about abortion...

Have you ever studied the life cycle of a human being in say, a biology course?
 
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smithbr8

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Sounds like you're trying to make a point about abortion...

Have you ever studied the life cycle of a human being in say, a biology course?
Yes, however during the first .2 seconds of conception, would you consider it alive since it has no heart beat, no brain wave activity, nor breathes? It has no homeostasis, it has no survival instinct, so what exactly makes the clump of cells any different from the dirt in which Adam was conceived?
 
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hopesprings

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Yes, however during the first .2 seconds of conception, would you consider it alive since it has no heart beat, no brain wave activity, nor breathes? It has no homeostasis, it has no survival instinct, so what exactly makes the clump of cells any different from the dirt in which Adam was conceived?
What baby is every aborted within the first .2 seconds of conception?? Does it really matter if the child is simply a "clump of cells" at this point? Dirt is always dirt, it isn't alive and cannot form into life...unless God uses the dirt to shape a man...like he did with Adam. Dirt wasn't the 'womb' and was at no point alive or even able to be alive. God breathed into Adam the breath of life..only then did Adam become a living soul. Before that he was just a pile of dirt. These 'clumps of cells' that God makes are specific to creating a human being...that is their function...that is why He made them. If someone were to destroy them within the first .2 seconds then they are still destroying something that God created to specifically become human life.
 
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Where it gets interesting is when Adam and Eve's children fornicate with each other and populate the entire earth. Yeah, that makes sense.
 
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smithbr8

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What baby is every aborted within the first .2 seconds of conception?? Does it really matter if the child is simply a "clump of cells" at this point? Dirt is always dirt, it isn't alive and cannot form into life...unless God uses the dirt to shape a man...like he did with Adam. Dirt wasn't the 'womb' and was at no point alive or even able to be alive. God breathed into Adam the breath of life..only then did Adam become a living soul. Before that he was just a pile of dirt. These 'clumps of cells' that God makes are specific to creating a human being...that is their function...that is why He made them. If someone were to destroy them within the first .2 seconds then they are still destroying something that God created to specifically become human life.
God did create the dirt specifically to give life to Adam, or did God deviate from his divine plan? How can we say "Oh, well dirt isn't alive because shut up" when it has the exact same qualities as a clump of cells prior to having a heartbeat or brain activity?
 
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jimmydiggs

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Yes, however during the first .2 seconds of conception, would you consider it alive since it has no heart beat, no brain wave activity, nor breathes? It has no homeostasis, it has no survival instinct,
A new human being begins at conception.

If a heart beat is needed to be considered alive, then so much for plants being considered living.

so what exactly makes the clump of cells any different from the dirt in which Adam was conceived?
Dirt is a non-life material...
 
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jimmydiggs

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God did create the dirt specifically to give life to Adam, or did God deviate from his divine plan? How can we say "Oh, well dirt isn't alive because shut up"
Where has anyone said, "because shut up"?

when it has the exact same qualities as a clump of cells prior to having a heartbeat or brain activity?
It does not have the exact same qualities. It is non-life material.
 
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jimmydiggs

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Where it gets interesting is when Adam and Eve's children fornicate with each other and populate the entire earth.
We don't really have any information as to whether they fornicated or not.

Yeah, that makes sense.
Indeed, it does.
 
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hopesprings

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God did create the dirt specifically to give life to Adam, or did God deviate from his divine plan? How can we say "Oh, well dirt isn't alive because shut up" when it has the exact same qualities as a clump of cells prior to having a heartbeat or brain activity?
What? Why would God have to deviate from his divine plan if dirt was made for another purpose, then just to give life to Adam? Who said "Oh, well dirt isn't alive because shut up"? Do you see people being formed out of dirt, rising to life, in your backyard? Where does it say that God created dirt for this specific purpose? He made Adam out of dirt...doesn't mean that dirt was created for that reason, does it? Comparing dirt to babies is ridiculous...if that is in fact what you are trying to do. And, dirt does not have the exact same qualities as the clump of cells that will form into a human being - that statement isn't even biologically correct. Those cells are unique and were created for that purpose - to become a human being - and that is what they produce. Dirt was not created for that purpose and apart from 'divine intervention', no dirt man could ever be a living person. Dirt can not produce a baby.
 
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We don't really have any information as to whether they fornicated or not.


Indeed, it does.
What are we supposed to conclude given the circumstances?
Are you ashamed we are the product of incest?
 
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jimmydiggs

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What are we supposed to conclude given the circumstances?
I think they were probably married. Obviously they didn't have a piece of paper issued from a government. That isn't what makes a marriage a marriage though. Fornication would be pre-marital sexual relations. We don't really have much information as to their marital status, so I will not declare something as factual (such as you did). I think, however, there is no problem with an estimation.


Are you ashamed we are the product of incest?
Nope. It continues today. We are all distant genetic cousins. ;)