Origins of a Contrite Heart?

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cfultz3

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Grandpa said:
Which step of the Salvation process are you trying to take credit for? The repentance, or the broken heart and contrite spirit? Or both?

Ephesians 2:8-9
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.

The broken heart and contrite spirit is the reason a person cries out to the Lord and is saved. It is a gift from God. It is part of the New Heart and the New Man.
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did not know that i was trying to take credit for anything. But anyways, so even our concurring with the Spirit once He has broken our heart in its rebellion is a gift of God? Are you saying that God gave us the gift of accepting the conviction?
 
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2 Corinthians 7:10 -- For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

This godly sorrow, being sorry to God for our past sins, leads to being saved . While death cometh to thoses' sorrow not channeled to Him , for the life they (we all) sinfully lead but, still sin, after conversion, but are covered by grace ofcHis Son ding on cross, through faith, and, that not of ourselves, it is Hiscfaith He gves us to use as he goodwill pleasures for us bringin Him glory.
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Must we repent of sin before the process of being purified into a temple? Can one not repent and still be converted?
 
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cfultz3 said:
did not know that i was trying to take credit for anything.?
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Well you didn't answer the question...


But anyways, so even our concurring with the Spirit once He has broken our heart in its rebellion is a gift of God? Are you saying that God gave us the gift of accepting the conviction?
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The reason for our Godly sorrow is because He has given us a new heart. We are no longer hard-hearted to the spirit of God at that point.

Are you saying you could have decided not to love God at that point?
 
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Grandpa said:
The reason for our Godly sorrow is because He has given us a new heart. We are no longer hard-hearted to the spirit of God at that point.

Are you saying you could have decided not to love God at that point?
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I thought conviction comes to the rebellious person through a contrite heart and once he is converted he is then given a new heart?

Love, inasmuch as hate, is a choice. But to love or not to love God is not what I am asking.

I am trying to understand if we, from a contrite heart brought about by the Spirit, must repent before we are converted (given a new heart and adoption) or can we continue to live as before just as long as we give an effort in quiting our rebellion.
 
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I am sorry if I offended anyone by my questions. I was seeking truth. Good day.
 
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I still have to ask,

Are we to repent before we are converted or can we continue in our sin as long as we give an effort in stopping it?
 
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cfultz3 said:
I still have to ask,

Are we to repent before we are converted or can we continue in our sin as long as we give an effort in stopping it?
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If we are being convicted of something, we should repent and try to do what is right
 
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damombomb said:
If we are being convicted of something, we should repent and try to do what is right
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If a sinner (non-christian) does not stop sinning at the conviction of the Spirit, can he/she receive the Light? I guess what I am asking, is possible to live in sin and be under the conviction of the Spirit and still receive salvation when he/she dies?
 
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cfultz3 said:
If a sinner (non-christian) does not stop sinning at the conviction of the Spirit, can he/she receive the Light? I guess what I am asking, is possible to live in sin and be under the conviction of the Spirit and still receive salvation when he/she dies?
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Only God knows the hearts, mabe they cried out to him.
My daughter in laws Dad never went to church and all that, his Mom did she always wanted him
to, he thought he was to bad ect, he passed away 2 yrs ago about this time, before he died he told
hi Mom, the Lord didnt give up on me
 
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Come's from God.
 
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cfultz3 said:
I thought conviction comes to the rebellious person through a contrite heart and once he is converted he is then given a new heart?

Love, inasmuch as hate, is a choice. But to love or not to love God is not what I am asking.

I am trying to understand if we, from a contrite heart brought about by the Spirit, must repent before we are converted (given a new heart and adoption) or can we continue to live as before just as long as we give an effort in quiting our rebellion.
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Its probably more of a misunderstanding of a sequence of events than anything. By me...

For me, repentance happened long before I was broken before Him.

Maybe it doesn't work that way with everyone...

For me, the broken heart and contrite spirit was the evidence of the change in me. The new man...
 
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cfultz3 said:
If a sinner (non-christian) does not stop sinning at the conviction of the Spirit, can he/she receive the Light? I guess what I am asking, is possible to live in sin and be under the conviction of the Spirit and still receive salvation when he/she dies?
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I tried to stop sinning at the conviction of the Spirit. All sin. I tried to be perfect. I wasn't able to.

This caused me to cry out to Him and ask for His Help.

We are not saved after we stop sinning.
We are saved because we sin.

That's why we need to be saved, right? Because we are slaves to sin until changed by the Lord...
 
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A contrite heart is a humbled heart...the work of God's Spirit applying God's Word and mixing in a large paddle (trials).
 
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cfultz3 said:
So now I need to ask, can one be saved without repentance brought about by the Spirit's conviction? Can one just say, 'OK, I am sorry', and still continue in the rebellion they are being coached away from?
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Here repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin.
Repentance- turning FROM self,lies etc,
Faith-turning TO Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

You can't have one going on without the other simultaneously also.
 
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So you all are saying that once my heart has been broken by the Spirit to the point where I am remorsed of the path I am walking on, I do not need to completely stop walking on the path but that I will eventually need to stop and turn and start walking on the path the Spirit wants me to walk on?

What then is the purpose of the Spirit doing the conviction?
How can I look both at the darkness and the light at the same time?
Would not the light of my eye be grey?
At what point does my rebellion stop?
What does the following mean: the Lord will complete the work He has started in a person?
Can I be a child of the rebellion and a child of God at the same time?

If someone would, would you answer each question separate?
 
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Grandpa said:
I tried to stop sinning at the conviction of the Spirit. All sin. I tried to be perfect. I wasn't able to.

This caused me to cry out to Him and ask for His Help.

We are not saved after we stop sinning.
We are saved because we sin.

That's why we need to be saved, right? Because we are slaves to sin until changed by the Lord...
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What about: you are slaves to whom you serve? If we serve sin, are we not then slaves of sin? If we serve the Lord, are we not a slave of the Lord? How can we be a slave of both and still expect the reward of a faithful slave (freedoim (eternal life))?

How do we die to the flesh?
 
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crossnote said:
A contrite heart is a humbled heart...the work of God's Spirit applying God's Word and mixing in a large paddle (trials).
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So, a sinner's heart is humbled.....then what? What is rependance? Are we to totally forsake our past life then and there are can one continue in a sin as long as he tried to stop it through the help of the Spirit?
 
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crossnote said:
Here repentance and faith are two sides of the same coin.
Repentance- turning FROM self,lies etc,
Faith-turning TO Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

You can't have one going on without the other simultaneously also.
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So repentance is a process that takes time....like a leading away that happened in the wilderness?
 
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cfultz3 said:
What about: you are slaves to whom you serve? If we serve sin, are we not then slaves of sin? If we serve the Lord, are we not a slave of the Lord? How can we be a slave of both and still expect the reward of a faithful slave (freedoim (eternal life))?

How do we die to the flesh?
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That was my whole point. You are a slave to sin until the Lord Jesus changes you.

If you could cause your own self to be a slave to Righteousness then the Lord Jesus wouldn't be needed. You could just be like the jews and 'keep' the Law without Him.

Everything required for salvation comes through the Lord Jesus and it is all a gift. Every step is a miracle imho.



 
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That was my whole point. You are a slave to sin until the Lord Jesus changes you.

If you could cause your own self to be a slave to Righteousness then the Lord Jesus wouldn't be needed. You could just be like the jews and 'keep' the Law without Him.

Everything required for salvation comes through the Lord Jesus and it is all a gift. Every step is a miracle imho.
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When does that change come? At convertion? In the middle? Before you die? When do we become slaves to Christ? When do we die to the flesh?
 
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