Raptured during birth?

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kenisyes

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Have you ever thought about how many babies might be born in the air between earth and Jesus while we are being caught up to Him?

I Thess. 4:17 is pretty clear that the living Christians will be caught up in the air with the resurrected ones when Jesus returns. In Matt. 24:19, Jesus mentions a similar issue to what I raise for the tribulation.

There are probably 1.5 billion Christians in the world, and we hope most of those are truly saved, and would thus be caught up in the rapture, if it happened today. We also hope that by the time Jesus returns, that number will be quite a bit larger. They will be having babies (Matt. 24:37-38 seems to think so) which they cannot do after (Matt. 22:30). It's not a difficult calculation. If a woman lives 50 years and has 3 children, and each takes 10 minutes, that's (3x10min.)/(50yr.x365daysx24hr.x60min.) about 1/876,000 of a woman's life spent in birth. But when you have 750 million Christian women to count it for, even if only half are saved and so taken up, that's 375,000,000/876,000=428 babies who can be expected to be delivered at the moment of rapture. This is conservative, using the smallest number of saved, a larger life span than we now have, the shortest birth time, etc.

My question is, what will the status of the new babies be? They are not saved, yet they will go up in or attached to their mother's bodies. Or does God have another solution?
 
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kenisyes said:
Have you ever thought about how many babies might be born in the air between earth and Jesus while we are being caught up to Him?

I Thess. 4:17 is pretty clear that the living Christians will be caught up in the air with the resurrected ones when Jesus returns. In Matt. 24:19, Jesus mentions a similar issue to what I raise for the tribulation.

There are probably 1.5 billion Christians in the world, and we hope most of those are truly saved, and would thus be caught up in the rapture, if it happened today. We also hope that by the time Jesus returns, that number will be quite a bit larger. They will be having babies (Matt. 24:37-38 seems to think so) which they cannot do after (Matt. 22:30). It's not a difficult calculation. If a woman lives 50 years and has 3 children, and each takes 10 minutes, that's (3x10min.)/(50yr.x365daysx24hr.x60min.) about 1/876,000 of a woman's life spent in birth. But when you have 750 million Christian women to count it for, even if only half are saved and so taken up, that's 375,000,000/876,000=428 babies who can be expected to be delivered at the moment of rapture. This is conservative, using the smallest number of saved, a larger life span than we now have, the shortest birth time, etc.

My question is, what will the status of the new babies be? They are not saved, yet they will go up in or attached to their mother's bodies. Or does God have another solution?
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If they have not been separated from the womb through birth at that time when they are taken up, then it will most likely take place in heaven. They may not be saved as we are but they are safe because of the same blood being covered and sanctified by the believing mother who has been taken up. There must be a special place the Lord has prepared for all those and others who have been aborted and miscarried in and out of the womb. That certainly glorifies God who has made every one of them in the womb and with the promise to give them life, even if their first breath is in the third heaven.

Lk 24:39
 
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kenisyes said:
Have you ever thought about how many babies might be born in the air between earth and Jesus while we are being caught up to Him?

I Thess. 4:17 is pretty clear that the living Christians will be caught up in the air with the resurrected ones when Jesus returns. In Matt. 24:19, Jesus mentions a similar issue to what I raise for the tribulation.

There are probably 1.5 billion Christians in the world, and we hope most of those are truly saved, and would thus be caught up in the rapture, if it happened today. We also hope that by the time Jesus returns, that number will be quite a bit larger. They will be having babies (Matt. 24:37-38 seems to think so) which they cannot do after (Matt. 22:30). It's not a difficult calculation. If a woman lives 50 years and has 3 children, and each takes 10 minutes, that's (3x10min.)/(50yr.x365daysx24hr.x60min.) about 1/876,000 of a woman's life spent in birth. But when you have 750 million Christian women to count it for, even if only half are saved and so taken up, that's 375,000,000/876,000=428 babies who can be expected to be delivered at the moment of rapture. This is conservative, using the smallest number of saved, a larger life span than we now have, the shortest birth time, etc.

My question is, what will the status of the new babies be? They are not saved, yet they will go up in or attached to their mother's bodies. Or does God have another solution?
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Believers' glorified bodies at rapture will be free from physical ailment, no pain or aches, and it will be incorruptible. With that being said, I speculate that an unborn child will be detached from the believing mother through divine supernatural power and they will both be raptured. Likewise, if the pregnant woman is an unbeliever, I believe the unborn child will be raptured leaving the woman childless to face the tribulation. New babies will be raptured too because children are not held accountable for sin (even though they are born in sin) until they reach an age when they can make a decision for or against Jesus Christ.
Of course, God probably has a different plan. ;) Haha. The bible says "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord". By His word the complex universe was created in 6 days so there is no impossibility with God.
 
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Believers' glorified bodies at rapture will be free from physical ailment, no pain or aches, and it will be incorruptible. With that being said, I speculate that an unborn child will be detached from the believing mother through divine supernatural power and they will both be raptured. Likewise, if the pregnant woman is an unbeliever, I believe the unborn child will be raptured leaving the woman childless to face the tribulation. New babies will be raptured too because children are not held accountable for sin (even though they are born in sin) until they reach an age when they can make a decision for or against Jesus Christ.
Of course, God probably has a different plan. ;) Haha. The bible says "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord". By His word the complex universe was created in 6 days so there is no impossibility with God.
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In other words, millions of miscarriages? While possible, we have no biblical proof. If not, in seven years they won't be old enough to make a decision for themselves. I believe they will go to heaven either way.
 
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Another thread where i can give my educated answer.
"Sheesh beats me"
 
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All Infants are SAVED-
My bible characterizes God as a merciful God, it also says he desires NO ONE to perish. A newborn infant cannot be "SAVED" by making a free will CHOICE, nor has it developed to an AGE where such is possible. AN infant is basically INNOCENT as in "without sin". yet is not equal to JESUS because and infant is from the bloodline of ADAM and FULLY human.
 
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There must be a special place the Lord has prepared for all those and others who have been aborted and miscarried in and out of the womb.
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Are you suggesting something like the Catholic "limbo"? Or am I unjustly taking this out of context/
 
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kenisyes

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Of course, God probably has a different plan. ;) Haha. The bible says "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord". By His word the complex universe was created in 6 days so there is no impossibility with God.
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That's why I put that in there. That's my thought, as well.
 
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Maybe it should have been a poll. Barlygurl and Stephen "will get saved', abiding "does not know".

i have a followup, for those who dare. Pick your favorite non-sinful necessary or desirable activity you do in private, that once started, is hard to stop. (I won't list all I am thinking). Ask yourself how long you spend doing it. Then, use my calculation to figure out how many people will be doing it at the moment of rapture (it's millions in some cases), and ask the same question there: Will God stop it, or allow you to finish? Will you mind if He stops you? Will there be some kind of supernatural grace not to mind? Will He extend the rapture over an hour or so, to give you time to finish?
 
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kenisyes said:
Are you suggesting something like the Catholic "limbo"? Or am I unjustly taking this out of context/
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No reason to believe that they are not immediately present with the Lord, no exceptions. They would recieve a new body in the same manner that those who are alive in Christ who are caught up together with those who are dead in Christ, because flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God and they will forever be with the Lord.
 
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kenisyes said:
Have you ever thought about how many babies might be born in the air between earth and Jesus while we are being caught up to Him?

I Thess. 4:17 is pretty clear that the living Christians will be caught up in the air with the resurrected ones when Jesus returns. In Matt. 24:19, Jesus mentions a similar issue to what I raise for the tribulation.



My question is, what will the status of the new babies be? They are not saved, yet they will go up in or attached to their mother's bodies. Or does God have another solution?
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Paul was teaching that we will gather together in a cloud of Christian wittnesses, Not litteral clouds when Christ returns. Christ is coming to this earth., He is not returning to leave and take anyone anywhere, its not the subject. The subject is Christ return and a change in bodies. It is the ignorance of the Greek that causes many to fallow fallacies of rapturing into the air; which is simply not the subject. This is why it leads people to thinking such rediculouse things as babies in the womb in the air : / It is not written.
 
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If the dead have been raised just moments before, I think He can handle all the other little details like cutting me off midstream. :p
So that's as much thought as I would give it.
 
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No reason to believe that they are not immediately present with the Lord, no exceptions. They would recieve a new body in the same manner that those who are alive in Christ who are caught up together with those who are dead in Christ, because flesh and blood can not inherit the kingdom of God and they will forever be with the Lord.
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So they would be in heaven? I'm focusing on "in the same manner". Then, they will not need to say the "sinner's prayer", repent of sins, or anything like that?
 
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Paul was teaching that we will gather together in a cloud of Christian wittnesses, Not litteral clouds when Christ returns. Christ is coming to this earth., He is not returning to leave and take anyone anywhere, its not the subject. The subject is Christ return and a change in bodies. It is the ignorance of the Greek that causes many to fallow fallacies of rapturing into the air; which is simply not the subject. This is why it leads people to thinking such rediculouse things as babies in the womb in the air : / It is not written.
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Okay. that does not change the question all that much. If this event is sudden, the question remains. When our bodies change, what happens to the babies? Are you then saying it is a gradual event?

I'll leave it to others to post the Scriptures that seem to prove you wrong, so we can discuss those one at a time, if anyone cares to.
 
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If the dead have been raised just moments before, I think He can handle all the other little details like cutting me off midstream. :p
So that's as much thought as I would give it.
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Are you sure it's just "moments before"? I wrote a sci-fi story once about the first guy called to drive around and pick them up (it was a gradual event) as they came out of the graves, some still speaking 1600's English. He spent quite a while in worthless attempts at fundraising for his "hospitality facility", since pastors would not believe that "first the dead shall rise", meant literally "first".

I guess some of us are called to give it more thought, and some less.
 
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kenisyes said:
Maybe it should have been a poll. Barlygurl and Stephen "will get saved', abiding "does not know".

i have a followup, for those who dare. Pick your favorite non-sinful necessary or desirable activity you do in private, that once started, is hard to stop. (I won't list all I am thinking). Ask yourself how long you spend doing it. Then, use my calculation to figure out how many people will be doing it at the moment of rapture (it's millions in some cases), and ask the same question there: Will God stop it, or allow you to finish? Will you mind if He stops you? Will there be some kind of supernatural grace not to mind? Will He extend the rapture over an hour or so, to give you time to finish?
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wow, you opened up a can here!

If your an ammillenialist. This is the last event on earth as we know it. so how do they answer? if a person is saved they are raptured, if not. then what happens to them?

if your one who does not believe in OSAS. you have serious issues. Would this person be doomed because he was in sin at the time of Christ's return to gather his elect? or will he be raptured because of grace?

I am sure you can get many other answers also! Interesting though.

as for the babies. i will stick with abiding. I don't know. I do not think scripture is clear on this fact
 
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kenisyes said:
So they would be in heaven? I'm focusing on "in the same manner". Then, they will not need to say the "sinner's prayer", repent of sins, or anything like that?
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Yes, did not the first son of David and Bathsheba go to the same place that David said he would go and be with him in (2Sam 12:23)...

23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

We do believe that life is given at conception and the soul becomes a living soul with the first breath don't we?
 
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Are you sure it's just "moments before"?
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No. Moments or hours or days, whichever. Surely there can be a "moment" that no women worldwide have a baby passing through the birth canal?
 
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Paul says it best at 1st Cor. 15 . Everyone has two bodies. When Christ returns he says, everyone is changed into a spiritual body In as much as, the body of the mother is not needed, The child in the womb would also steep from that body into their own body. This will be a miraculous event performed by God our Heavenly Father, at the True Christ return.
 
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Yes, did not the first son of David and Bathsheba go to the same place that David said he would go and be with him in (2Sam 12:23)...

23 But now he is dead, wherefore should I fast? can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.

We do believe that life is given at conception and the soul becomes a living soul with the first breath don't we?
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I was so overjoyed for just a moment. I thought you had found a proof text that absolutely disproved Catholic limbo. How I have looked for so many decades! Unfortunately, the verse before says that this is a quote from David. That means, while I agree with it, a person who is convinced of Limbo may not. He could say that David could have just been misinformed. The early Hebrews were misinformed, as I'm sure you know. They thought every dead person went to Sheol and stayed there. Or, David could have just meant to the land of the dead.
 
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