Raptured during birth?

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kenisyes

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No. Moments or hours or days, whichever. Surely there can be a "moment" that no women worldwide have a baby passing through the birth canal?
i suppose. The odds are 400+ to 1 just for Christians. That's why I gave the computation.
 
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peterT

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There are probably 1.5 billion Christians in the world, and we hope most of those are truly saved, ?
Not sure about 1.5 billion Christians in the world being saved

Luke 13: 23Then said one unto him, Lord, are there few that be saved? And he said unto them,
24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:

Matthew 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.


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kenisyes

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#23
Not sure about 1.5 billion Christians in the world being saved
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That's why I said "hope". I think we have a ways to go yet. If CC members are any indication, there are a lot of saved, or those who will do whatever Jesus asks to get there.
 
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peterT

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That's why I said "hope". I think we have a ways to go yet. If CC members are any indication, there are a lot of saved, or those who will do whatever Jesus asks to get there.
Yes hope is good
Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
God bless
 

zone

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Ken
my thought would be; the babies would be, at that moment/twinkling given their changed eternal bodies.
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1 Corinthians 15:52
In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed.

atomos: uncut, indivisible, (an indivisible) moment (of time)
Original Word: ἄτομος, ον
Part of Speech: Adjective
Transliteration: atomos
Phonetic Spelling: (at'-om-os)
Short Definition: an indivisible part of time, a moment
Definition: (lit: that cannot be cut), an indivisible part of time, a moment.

823 átomos (from 1 /A "not" and 5114 /tomṓteros, "to cut") – properly, not able to cut (divide) because too small to be measured, like a "split second"; an "instant; an indivisible moment of time, too short to measure" (Souter).


rhipé: any rapid movement, spec. a twinkling (of lights or the eye)
Original Word: ῥιπή, ῆς, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: rhipé
Phonetic Spelling: (hree-pay')
Short Definition: a glance, twinkle (of the eye)
Definition: a glance, twinkle or flash of the eye; a rush of wind or flame; any rapid movement.
 
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kenisyes

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Ken
my thought would be; the babies would be, at that moment/twinkling given their changed eternal bodies.
You've certainly demonstrated the change will be instantaneous. My problem is birth ids not. At any given "atomos", some babies are further down the birth canal than others. If the change is so quick, which ones do/do not get changed? Is it enough that the head is out? What about just the eyes? Etc. Or will the change wait until delivery is complete?
 

zone

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You've certainly demonstrated the change will be instantaneous. My problem is birth ids not. At any given "atomos", some babies are further down the birth canal than others. If the change is so quick, which ones do/do not get changed? Is it enough that the head is out? What about just the eyes? Etc. Or will the change wait until delivery is complete?
who knows HOW God will do it....not me.
i just know He will:)
 
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webchatter

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If a baby passes away, it will end up in heaven of course, there is Scripture about that referring to the mentally disabled, babies etc. Sorry I don't remember where. But the difference between the rapture & judgement day is that, Jesus is just coming to get the "church" at the rapture. It is not judgement day. So IF you believe in a rapture before judgment day, then babies have not had a chance to decide. I know of no Scripture to verify this, other than it is not judgement day.
 
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AgapeSpiritEyes

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Believers' glorified bodies at rapture will be free from physical ailment, no pain or aches, and it will be incorruptible. With that being said, I speculate that an unborn child will be detached from the believing mother through divine supernatural power and they will both be raptured. Likewise, if the pregnant woman is an unbeliever, I believe the unborn child will be raptured leaving the woman childless to face the tribulation. New babies will be raptured too because children are not held accountable for sin (even though they are born in sin) until they reach an age when they can make a decision for or against Jesus Christ.
Of course, God probably has a different plan. ;) Haha. The bible says "For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord". By His word the complex universe was created in 6 days so there is no impossibility with God.
I desire with hope and great longing even travail that this is true i have been seeking the Lord concerning this heart ach because i sub. teach elementary schools before i go i ask to claim these little ones to bring with me whether we are harpazoed or if i finish my life here to present them to the Lord when i see Him face to face. The issue of uncertainity is what the Lord holds the parents to in their spiritual condition for they have a connection and an athourity over the children.