How can we be 100% sure that God is not the same god in other religions?

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Where do you see 'Jews' in these ayat?







Wrong.

The Koran was copied from the Holy Bible, and it 100% confirms the Son.
really? Show it. It was not copied from the Bible. Are you serious? It a mix of jewish fables like the "gospel of Thomas", mixed with Muhammads lies.

Were does it confrim the son? It says Allah has no son. Can you tell me how that confirms him?





Islam is a very poor attempt at interpreting the Koran, which is Christian based.

Islam is a Christian cult.
I dont know where your getting your mislead info, but Islam and Christianity are two totally separate religions.






Islam is a cult, it can never be mainstream Christianity.
Duh.







The Arabic states otherwise.
You mean all the translations are false?





The scripture that I referenced rebut your merit-less assertions.
How does it "rebut" what I said, if it asserts Allah has no son, and that "they say" is not meaning Jews?

Have you ever read the Koran? Or are you just going off some liberal Muslim website?

The more you talk about Islam and the Koran the more you show you have no idea what your talking about.
 
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really? Show it. It was not copied from the Bible. Are you serious? It a mix of jewish fables like the "gospel of Thomas", mixed with Muhammads lies.
The Koran never says that it was composed by someone named 'Muhammad'.

What it does say, however, is that it merely copied the Holy Bible.




Were does it confrim the son? It says Allah has no son. Can you tell me how that confirms him?

I gave you three examples already.






You mean all the translations are false?
Even your English example confirms the Son.





How does it "rebut" what I said, if it asserts Allah has no son,
Where does it state that Jesus is not the Son?



and that "they say" is not meaning Jews?
Where is the word 'Jew'?





Have you ever read the Koran? Or are you just going off some liberal Muslim website?
I have been studying the Arabic of the Koran for the past 15 years.

Yourself?






The more you talk about Islam and the Koran the more you show you have no idea what your talking about.

How would you even know, exactly...?
 
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The Koran never says that it was composed by someone named 'Muhammad'.

What it does say, however, is that it merely copied the Holy Bible.


You keep making assertions and not showing. Show were it says it was copied

Then at least show how they are copied seeing they are two very different messages.

I gave you three examples already.
No you didn't. You gave an example that showed "They say" Allah has a son.

Your argument is that "they" is not referring to Jews.

For the sake of argument, okay, no Jews, "they" is referring to a man named Fred and his wife.

So Fred says Allah has a son, the passage is refuting this that "they" say, and saying Allah has no son.

So again, how does that confirm the son?


All let you clear this up before going further.
"Say He is God, the One and Only God, the, Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him!" Qur'an [112:1-4]

Quran: [19:88-95] They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"! <---now the rest of the passage is refuting that claim that "they" are making:

You have uttered a gross blasphemy. (<---Those who claim he has a son)The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious. He has encompassed them, and has counted them one by one. All of them will come before Him on the Day of Resurrection as individuals.



You must not have gone very deep in your 15 year study. This so plain a child can understand it is refuting the very idea of Allah having a son





 
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Judaism is VERY AWARE that Jesus claimed to be the Messiah ... the Son of the Living God ... the Saviour of all mankind ... the Word become flesh. He just wasn't what "they" were hoping and looking for. Their "law" won't save them. Only God's grace in Christ will. They must accept Christ as their Messiah. There is no other way.

John 14:16
Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
I think the Lord wants people to do two things:

Love the Lord our God with all our hearts, minds and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves.
 
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The Trinity is not the result of counted things in the first place.

You cannot need one over the other as they are each simultaneously the one God.
I believe God is one being, not three.
 
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Then study scripture.

The OT is almost entirely comprised of examples of how the Jews improperly worshiped God.

This spills over into the NT, as well.

Only the Jews who knew their scriptures saw Christ for what He is, and they immediately worshiped Him as God.
I think the Lord wants all people to do two things:

Love the Lord our God with all our hearts, minds and souls, and love our neighbors as ourselves.
 

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So children are not saved. Because they didn't accept him as their savior. According to scripture, that is what God would choose to have happen to children who die, right? What age is the age of accountability? 7? So any child who dies on their 7th birthday is then damned for not declaring Christ their savior?
I don't know the answer to these questions. The bible doesn't really address it. I can only tell you that God knows who are His and nothing can come between them and Gods Love for them.

Its up to Him, not us... We don't tell Him that He must bring everyone under the age of 7 into His kingdom. But if that is what He has decided then no one can stop Him...:)
 
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So children are not saved. Because they didn't accept him as their savior. According to scripture, that is what God would choose to have happen to children who die, right? What age is the age of accountability? 7? So any child who dies on their 7th birthday is then damned for not declaring Christ their savior?
Why are you so worried about technicallities of other people's salvation? Maybe you should worry about your own salvation first.

And no one is going to hell based on a technicallity.
 
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For example- on here, I'm smithbr8, to my brother I'm sister, to my mom I'm daughter. How can we be 100% absolutely sure that God and Allah are not the same person? That Buddha and God are not the same person, yet claim it's because God only has one name? Oh yea, Jesus and the HS are also God.....aren't those other names as well?

In Isaiah, God has chosen a foreign king to accomplish a task in Israel in accoding to His will as showing that He is the God of all those that live on the earth.

Isaiah 48:28That saith of Cyrus, He is my shepherd, and shall perform all my pleasure: even saying to Jerusalem, Thou shalt be built; and to the temple, Thy foundation shall be laid.

Even though God had chosen to raise up someone outside of Israel to accomlish His will in Israel, He did testify that Cyrus did not know Him as God, but this was to prove to Israel that He is God of all those that live to use as He pleases to accomplish His will.

Isaiah 45:1Thus saith the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I have holden, to subdue nations before him; and I will loose the loins of kings, to open before him the two leaved gates; and the gates shall not be shut; 2 I will go before thee, and make the crooked places straight: I will break in pieces the gates of brass, and cut in sunder the bars of iron: 3 And I will give thee the treasures of darkness, and hidden riches of secret places, that thou mayest know that I, the Lord, which call thee by thy name, am the God of Israel. 4 For Jacob my servant's sake, and Israel mine elect, I have even called thee by thy name: I have surnamed thee, though thou hast not known me. 5 I am the Lord, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me: 6 That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the Lord, and there is none else.

The they being Israel, of course.

In secular history there is a record of Cyrus's prayer to the gods which shows that he was not loyal to the actual God of Israel. He acknowledges the "God of Israel" as Marduk which proves he did not know Him.

So this is just one of the testimony of how God can raise up outside armies to punish Israel and raise up outside help to accomplish His will in Israel without any of those armies or whomever he has raised up to do His will without knowing God personally.

So that pretty much testifies that God is not the gods of other religions as He testified that Cyrus did not know Him at all, calling Him Marduk and worshipping others gods with this Marduk. If Cyrus had known Him, there would be no other gods worshipped beside Him, and one would think that Marduk was just a name in Cyrus's language for Jehovah or something, but not so.

So in regards to Isalm's Allah, it is testified that their God is one and has no son, therefore they do not know God the Father nor Jesus. Proof of that is how they believe they are doing God's service by killing infidels which includes Jews, Christians, and non-believers in a jihad.

John 16:1These things have I spoken unto you, that ye should not be offended. 2 They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service. 3 And these things will they do unto you, because they have not known the Father, nor me.

Yes: they can make the charge that christians have killed in His name, but Jesus never taught them to do that in being His disciples nor has He ever done it whereas Muhammed has taught to kill in a jihad & has done it.

Has any of His disciples in the NT have killed anyone? No. But they died in Christ's love by loving their enemies.

Something that the church has lost sight of His teachings in being His disciples at some of the times on down through the history.

Matthew 5:43 Ye have heard that it hath been said, Thou shalt love thy neighbour, and hate thine enemy. 44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you; 45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same? 47 And if ye salute your brethren only, what do ye more than others? do not even the publicans so? 48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

It is sung that they will know we are christians by our love, but in spite of muslims saying that Allah is all merciful & all forgiving, they kill as if "he" really isn't.

Safe to say that the "god" named "Allah" is not the Triune God of Israel as they do not know the Father nor Jesus, the Son of God.
 
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Why are you so worried about technicallities of other people's salvation? Maybe you should worry about your own salvation first.

And no one is going to hell based on a technicallity.
Because according to Christianity, I should not be concerned with just MY salvation? I know I'm already a lost cause? I know that God hates me? So..... not really sure what else you want me to say. If we're to follow the Bible and God's Words as law, then yes, we have to read the technicalities of it as well.
 
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Has any of His disciples in the NT have killed anyone? No. But they died in Christ's love by loving their enemies.]
Judas was a disciple....Didn't he kill Jesus? Or do we blame him for a crime he didn't commit? I honestly don't know
 
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You keep making assertions and not showing. Show were it says it was copied

Then at least show how they are copied seeing they are two very different messages.

We can gain a significant understanding of what the Koran really is by simply defining the term itself.



Let's review the premise...




&#8220;alqur-ana&#8221; definition:

Proper noun. Originally meaning the Collection; &#8220;I collected together the thing&#8221; or &#8220;I read, or recited, the book or scripture&#8221;; and then conventionally applied to signify the Book of God that was revealed to Muhammad; it also signifies the Revelation, meaning that which is termed the mighty, or imitable which is read, or recited, and written in books or volumes. A name for the Book of God, like the book of the Law revealed to Moses and the Gospel.

&#1602;&#1585;&#1569;&#1575;&#1606; is so called because it has collected the histories of the prophets, and commands and prohibitions, and promises and threats, and the verses or signs, and the chapters.

It comes from the root &#8220;qara&#8217;a&#8221;, which has the primary signification he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion. He read, or recited, the scripture chanting; he read or recited anything in any manner, without, or from, or in a book.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume seven, pp. 2502 - 2504
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur&#8217;an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar, pp. 448 - 449




The classic Arabic definition is really quite revealing.

We have the following proclaimed regarding the original meaning applied to the Koran:

&#8226; It&#8217;s a collection
&#8226; A collection of books or scriptures


Whether this collection is read or recited, it still suggests that it emanates from a collected repository of things already written down.

It was only later that the meaning changed to signify the Book of God that was revealed to &#8220;Muhammad&#8221;&#8230;and we already understand that the &#8220;Muhammad&#8221; spoken of in the Koran is actually the Biblical Jesus Christ.

Thus, the Koran is Jesus&#8217; book!

This would account for the scores of suras that are titled after Him, and revolve around Him.

&#8220;Alqur-ana&#8221; also means Revelation &#8211; which is most appropriate, as >75% of the Koran is directly copied from the Book of Revelation.

The root &#8220;qara&#8217;a&#8221; takes us one step deeper with the primary definition &#8220;he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it, together; part to part, or portion to portion."

This gives us great insight as to why the Koran was written in the fashion that it was &#8211; as the authors who pieced it together and performed the translation, actually did so piecemeal. These pieces, taken in large part from the Book of Revelation, are actually the paraphrased Arabic counterparts to the Holy Bible, known as suras.
 
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No you didn't. You gave an example that showed "They say" Allah has a son.
Which was your example.



Your argument is that "they" is not referring to Jews.
Nope.

It was your argument that it was the Jews.

Thus, you need to prove that it was...





For the sake of argument, okay, no Jews, "they" is referring to a man named Fred and his wife.

So Fred says Allah has a son, the passage is refuting this that "they" say, and saying Allah has no son.

So again, how does that confirm the son?

Show where it states 'no Son'.
 
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[/SIZE]"Say He is God, the One and Only God, the, Eternal, Absolute. He begets not, nor is He begotten. And there is none like unto Him!" Qur'an [112:1-4]
The verbs employed in this sura do not preclude that the Son existed in the past...only that no further Sons would appear going forward.





Quran: [19:88-95] They said, "The Most Gracious has begotten a son"! <---now the rest of the passage is refuting that claim that "they" are making:
Nope.

No denial is presented in these ayat.

Try again...
 
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You have uttered a gross blasphemy. (<---Those who claim he has a son)The heavens are about to shatter, the earth is about to tear asunder, and the mountains are about to crumble. Because they claim that the Most Gracious has begotten a son. It is not befitting the Most Gracious that He should beget a son. Every single one in the heavens and the earth is a servant of the Most Gracious. He has encompassed them, and has counted them one by one. All of them will come before Him on the Day of Resurrection as individuals.




No, brother.

This follows the same pattern as found in the Book of Revelation.

There is absolutely no denial of the Son.

Only confirmation.

Study up...





You must not have gone very deep in your 15 year study. This so plain a child can understand it is refuting the very idea of Allah having a son


Even in English, there is no denial of the Son.

In Arabic it is even more clear.

However, you don't know any Arabic...
 
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No.

Three expressions of the One God.
That sounds like what I believe—one God who simultaneously is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, like a man can simultaneously be a father, son, and husband. However, I think Trinitarians believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are different beings, all working in concert.
 
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That sounds like what I believe—one God who simultaneously is a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, like a man can simultaneously be a father, son, and husband. However, I think Trinitarians believe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are different beings, all working in concert.
The father, son, husband analogy does not work because each is still the other.

In the Trinity, the Father, Son, Spirit are NOT each other. They are each simultaneously the One God - but not each other.

See the difference?