How can we be 100% sure that God is not the same god in other religions?

[Godismystrength2988]

Its not a matter of having the right 'religion'...its a matter of having the right relationship with the Creator.

Not the right 'religion?'

Okay, then Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus and Muslims must also have the 'right' relationship as well. I have met plenty who were equally as devoted to the creator.

If it is not about religion, but the right relationship. What do you consider the right relationship?

Based on the rest of your post my guess is that you mean the 'Christian' creator. Which is a religion.

All peoples across the globe are programmed to worship. Some worship their golf game, some their cars, etc, etc....but all people worship.

Scripture tells us that the heavens declare the glory of God - thus, no one has an excuse.

I agree about the worship part. The rest, we will just have to agree to disagree. To me, there is nothing merciful about a God who sends people to Hell who didn't even know He existed. There's no justification that can possibly make that okay. I also thought the Christian God was supposed to be far more merciful than us. Is that really mercy?

 

[resurrection33]

How clearer can it get? The trinity affirms one being.

I, too, believe in a Trinity, in that I believe God is simultaneously a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just as a man can simultaneously be a father, son, and husband. However, this is not the same as being a Trinitarian, since Trinitarians believe God is made up of three different living beings.

And by the way,

It isn’t necessary to yell.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Now you are bearing false witness against me. I am not a Unitarian.

Unitarianism has been a term of reference for those who deny the distinctness of the father, son, and holy spirit from each other. Unitarians can have the label, and fall under different heresies such as Modalism, Arianism, or Unitarianism proper, which would be very similar to Arianism in that it denies the deity of Christ.

The term Unitarian might be slightly unfair, given that it doesn't specify much, and it can, as you have pointed out specify something you are not.


More accurately, from what I have been able to discern from your posts, you embrace a common heresy known as "Modalism".

"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" are just three title God wears when he acts in different roles.

It's very sad, and dangerous that you affirm so strongly such heresy, and have such a misunderstanding of who God really is.

 

[jimmydiggs]

I, too, believe in a Trinity, in that I believe God is simultaneously a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just as a man can simultaneously be a father, son, and husband.

It is not meaningfully a Trinity of any sort. You are a modalist, which is heretical. You deny the true nature of God.

However, this is not the same as being a Trinitarian, since Trinitarians believe God is made up of three different living beings.

So, you just ignored what I said in the post you responded to. Precisely the reason I used big text. Let's try that again, shall we.

Trinitarians affirm there is only one being, God. He exists as three co-equal persons. Each person is fully God, yet there is no plurality of beings.

It's a logical conundrum that the unregenerate man rejects, because to a mind stuck in futile thinking (eph 4) it is foolishness.

It isn’t necessary to yell.

If I was interested in yelling, I would use capital letters: SUCH AS THIS EXAMPLE

 

[resurrection33]

Unitarianism has been a term of reference for those who deny the distinctness of the father, son, and holy spirit from each other. Unitarians can have the label, and fall under different heresies such as Modalism, Arianism, or Unitarianism proper, which would be very similar to Arianism in that it denies the deity of Christ.

The term Unitarian might be slightly unfair, given that it doesn't specify much, and it can, as you have pointed out specify something you are not.


More accurately, from what I have been able to discern from your posts, you embrace a common heresy known as "Modalism".

"Father, Son, and Holy Spirit" are just three title God wears when he acts in different roles.

It's very sad, and dangerous that you affirm so strongly such heresy, and have such a misunderstanding of who God really is.

You are using labels.

“Unitarian” is a name given to a “church” that apparently doesn’t require you believe in God.

I think Trinitarians, people who believe God is made up of three living beings, are a small minority of believers. God is one being, not three.

 

[resurrection33]

It is not meaningfully a Trinity of any sort. You are a modalist, which is heretical. You deny the true nature of God.


So, you just ignored what I said in the post you responded to. Precisely the reason I used big text. Let's try that again, shall we.

Trinitarians affirm there is only one being, God. He exists as three co-equal persons. Each person is fully God, yet there is no plurality of beings.

It's a logical conundrum that the unregenerate man rejects, because to a mind stuck in futile thinking (eph 4) it is foolishness.





If I was interested in yelling, I would use capital letters: SUCH AS THIS EXAMPLE

Trinitarians believe God is made up of three living beings. I believe God is one living being.

 

[jimmydiggs]

You are using labels.

Yes I am, because it is a description.

“Unitarian” is a name given to a “church” that apparently doesn’t require you believe in God.

That is one usage of the word. Unitarian Universalists, are an example.

I think Trinitarians, people who believe God is made up of three living beings, are a small minority of believers. God is one being, not three.

The vast majority of churches are trinitarian.

Lutheran
Reformed
Baptist
Methodist
Most pentecostals
Restorationists
... and many more...


There are some select few individuals, among those groups such as yourself who reject the Trinitarian God of which there is only one being, and one being is all that trinitarianism has ever affirmed.

The UMC includes in it's "Articles of Religion" this statement:

Article I—Of Faith in the Holy Trinity
There is but one living and true God, everlasting, without body or parts, of infinite power, wisdom, and goodness; the maker and preserver of all things, both visible and invisible. And in unity of this Godhead there are three persons, of one substance, power, and eternity—the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.​

Source on UMC: The Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church I-IV - UMC.org <--- click
Our Doctrinal Standards - UMC.org <-- click

You are a minority in your own denomination.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Trinitarians believe God is made up of three living beings.

That is not what trinitarians believe. Say it and wish it all you want, but it is not true.

 

[smithbr8]

You are using labels.

“Unitarian” is a name given to a “church” that apparently doesn’t require you believe in God.

I think Trinitarians, people who believe God is made up of three living beings, are a small minority of believers. God is one being, not three.

Ow, didn't we go over this already? English definition of the word means

u·ni·tar·i·an
/&#716;yo&#862;oni&#712;te(&#601r&#275;&#601;n/
Noun
A person, esp. a Christian, who asserts the unity of God and rejects the doctrine of the Trinity.

 

[Bowman]

There is a “church” called the Unitarian Church where, according to what I’ve read, they aren’t required to believe God. I am not a Unitarian. I am a United Methodist.

You seem to use the word “Unitarian” to describe people who don’t believe that God is three beings. I do not believe God is three beings. I believe he is one being.

Methodists are Trinitarian.

 

[Bowman]

Okay man, your just showing you cant deal with the passage. It says what it says plainly. I dont need to know Arabic to understand translations. Can I not trust all the translators, and only you who will not show what the passage is saying?

Even in English? Can you please parse the passage then and show us what it is saying?

Which verse would you like to review?

Your example, or mine?

 

[Bowman]

Not the right 'religion ?'

Okay, then Buddhists, Taoists, Hindus and Muslims must also have the 'right' relationship as well. I have met plenty who were equally as devoted to the creator.

Since when does 'devotion' have to do with correctness?

If it is not about religion, but the right relationship. What do you consider the right relationship?

Worshiping of the Triune Biblical God as He has revealed Himself within the pages of the Holy Bible.

I agree about the worship part. The rest, we will just have to agree to disagree. To me, there is nothing merciful about a God who sends people to Hell who didn't even know He existed. There's no justification that can possibly make that okay. I also thought the Christian God was supposed to be far more merciful than us. Is that really mercy?

Have you bothered to read the OT?

Perhaps you should read the whole-sale elimination of entire peoples, women, children, and unborn children at the command of God, and then question your Creator!

 

[Bowman]

I, too, believe in a Trinity, in that I believe God is simultaneously a Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, just as a man can simultaneously be a father, son, and husband. However, this is not the same as being a Trinitarian, since Trinitarians believe God is made up of three different living beings.

And by the way,

It isn’t necessary to yell.

If you are not Trinitarian, then you are not Methodist, either.

 

[Bowman]

You are using labels.

“Unitarian” is a name given to a “church” that apparently doesn’t require you believe in God.

I think Trinitarians, people who believe God is made up of three living beings, are a small minority of believers. God is one being, not three.

Moses was Trinitarian.

 

[jimmydiggs]

Since when does 'devotion' have to do with correctness?

A lot.

Matthew 12:34
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.

By the way, non-christians do not worship the same God. I've noticed you seem to think they do. God calls it an idol for a reason.

Worshiping of the Triune Biblical God as He has revealed Himself within the pages of the Holy Bible.

Which, it just so happens to be, that to worship the triune God, you must recognize him as such. How so? Well, quite simply, this little thing called the Law of Identity can help us here. If we are describing two differnt gods, then they are two different gods. It's either the triune God testified to in scripture, or it's not.

Have you bothered to read the OT?

Perhaps you should read the whole-sale elimination of entire peoples, women, children, and unborn children at the command of God, and then question your Creator!

This is spot on.

 

[Bowman]

A lot.

Matthew 12:34
You brood of vipers, how can you who are evil say anything good? For out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaks.

By the way, non-christians do not worship the same God. I've noticed you seem to think they do. God calls it an idol for a reason.

Non-Trinitarians do not worship the same God.

This would include Jews, Muslims, and all other uni's out there.

Studying the Koran has not led me to believe that Muslims are worshiping the Biblical God. Far from it. What is has shown me is that their scriptures are actually repackaged Biblical snipets confirming the Triune God of the Holy Bible.

We have to remember that a persons scripture set does not mean that correct interpretation of it has been gleaned from its ages....just look at the Jews.

 

[Enow]

Judas was a disciple....Didn't he kill Jesus? Or do we blame him for a crime he didn't commit? I honestly don't know

Ummm... I would say that Judas doesn't count because Jesus knew he did not believe in Him, so hardly considered as one of His "true" disciples, even though he was numbered with the twelve.

John 6:6364 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Point was His disciples were not taught by Jesus to kill any one, unlike the infamous prophet of Islam.

 

[smithbr8]

Non-Trinitarians do not worship the same God.

This would include Jews, Muslims, and all other uni's out there.

Studying the Koran has not led me to believe that Muslims are worshiping the Biblical God. Far from it. What is has shown me is that their scriptures are actually repackaged Biblical snipets confirming the Triune God of the Holy Bible.

We have to remember that a persons scripture set does not mean that correct interpretation of it has been gleaned from its ages....just look at the Jews.

So then how can we be sure that ours is the exact written word? What about the Catholic Bible? It has books that Protestants took out.

 

[smithbr8]

Ummm... I would say that Judas doesn't count because Jesus knew he did not believe in Him, so hardly considered as one of His "true" disciples, even though he was numbered with the twelve.

John 6:6364 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Point was His disciples were not taught by Jesus to kill any one, unlike the infamous prophet of Islam.

So even though Jesus called him a disciple, it doesn't count because Jesus was wrong?

 

[smithbr8]

Ummm... I would say that Judas doesn't count because Jesus knew he did not believe in Him, so hardly considered as one of His "true" disciples, even though he was numbered with the twelve.

John 6:6364 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

Point was His disciples were not taught by Jesus to kill any one, unlike the infamous prophet of Islam.

And your last sentence has to be the most ignorant thing I've read on this post, sorry.

What about the Crusades? What about literally ANY other fight that has had religious backgrounds? What about soldiers fighting right now who are Christian?