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Tommy4Christ

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The absurdity in

I know many who profess Christ, have a difficult time discerning between works of the law, and a working faith through love, then will boldly claim its not of works??

Are you sure??

Dig deep and see the works commanded by God, and why faith alone is a doctrine of demons!!





The absurdity in
 
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Why worry about such things? We are called to Love God and obey him thats all there is to it, don't overthink things like some people do our role with him is simple yet people make it difficult
 
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Tommy4Christ said:
I know many who profess Christ, have a difficult time discerning between works of the law, and a working faith through love, then will boldly claim its not of works??

Are you sure??

Dig deep and see the works commanded by God, and why faith alone is a doctrine of demons!!
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Are you sure about that?

"It is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no none can boast." (Eph 2:8-9)

Only true faith saves, but true faith always obeys (works).
They are inextricably linked.

So if there is no obedience (works), that shows there is no true faith.

But only faith saves, while works are always the result of true faith.
 
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Elin said:
Are you sure about that?

"It is by grace you have been saved, through faith--and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God--not by works, so that no none can boast." (Eph 2:8-9)

Only true faith saves, but true faith always obeys (works).
They are inextricably linked.

So if there is no obedience (works), that shows there is no true faith.

But only faith saves, while works are always the result of true faith.
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Basically a Gospel of works according to self effort is being promoted, in other words a Gospel according to personal goodness. But obviously they can't exactly come out and state that

The works God wants are done out of love and gratitiude for a free salvation, through what Christ did for us sinners on the cross.

Works done with the view that they will in anyway enhance our attaining Heaven God will not accept, for that diminishes what his son did for us on the cross.

And of course, if salvation depends on works, how many are needed?

One a day, two, five?

Does anyone know?

Or should we just sweat it out and hope we've done enough by the time we die.

I don't see how anyone can feel that secure in their Christianity if that is the case
 
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The contents of such posts (all judgementalism, no grace) proves that someone here isn't secure about their faith.
 
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I think this thread was made to either cause arguments or get attention because you cannot make a thread like this and not have people argue about it. And anyways he has made one similer to this on the same subject before
 
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Tintin said:
The contents of such posts (all judgementalism, no grace) proves that someone here isn't secure about their faith.
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I would say that anyone who believes salvation depends on works cannot be secure in the faith

As for judgementalism
I have never told anyone who professes Christianity they are not saved, but many do of course
 
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Exactly. Also, conviction and judgementalism are two very different things.
 
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Tintin said:
Exactly. Also, conviction and judgementalism are two very different things.
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Can I ask you?

How do you feel about the fact that some people crush others who are sincere with demands they do not themselves try and keep?

Just asking the question
 
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It angers and saddens me. Riles me up so much. I need to learn to forgive more readily.
 
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Tintin said:
It angers and saddens me. Riles me up so much. I need to learn to forgive more readily.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure that is true of all of us, we all at times need to learn to frgive more readily, and I also believe you are right to be angered and saddened if people crush sincere folk with demands they themselves do not try and keep
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True, but not so far as to let the anger get the better of me. I called one of the false prophets on here an 'idiot'. Then someone questioned my salvation. Yeah, fun times.
 
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True, but not so far as to let the anger get the better of me. I called one of the false prophets on here an 'idiot'. Then someone questioned my salvation. Yeah, fun times.
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Some will always question your salvation on the internet!

Only get worried if your minister questions it
 
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You know what's absurd?

That you posted this topic three times on this forum.
 
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mark54 said:
Some will always question your salvation on the internet!

Only get worried if your minister questions it
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Most of them who do so do not even believe in salvation as per what scripture says. They believe themselves to be the ones to save themselves, they do not believe that their salvation is only found in the work of Christ alone. Therefore they are living in constant fear of punishment, always looking to their own self and comparing it with other men. The fruit is contention, strife, envying and the likes. Not so good.
2Cor.12

[20] For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
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it's just the "church-is-filled-with-false-teachers-we-deny-imputed-righteousness-christ-is-not-our-propitiation-god-paid-our-sin-debt-to-satan" gapper group.

mind control works.
ask Jim Jones.
 
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zone said:
it's just the "church-is-filled-with-false-teachers-we-deny-imputed-righteousness-christ-is-not-our-propitiation-god-paid-our-sin-debt-to-satan" gapper group.

mind control works.
ask Jim Jones.
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How in the world did anyone come up with God paid our sin debt to Satan? That makes no sense. If one thinks about it that makes Satan greater then God. Which is impossible as Satan is a created being.
 
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tribesman said:
Most of them who do so do not even believe in salvation as per what scripture says. They believe themselves to be the ones to save themselves, they do not believe that their salvation is only found in the work of Christ alone. Therefore they are living in constant fear of punishment, always looking to their own self and comparing it with other men. The fruit is contention, strife, envying and the likes. Not so good.
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Strange as it may seem, it is only when a person knows that Heaven depends solely on what Christ did for them at Calvary, and has nothing to do with their personal goodness(adherence to law/commandments), their only righteousness in God's sight is faith in Christ, that they can start to live more in keeping with the good and Holy laws of God He would have them keep.

I like what an Evangelist said:

Christ died to pay the penalty of our sin and to break the power of sin, and the power of sin is the law(1Cor15:56)
 
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Romans 4
4Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. 5And to the one who does not work but believes in him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, 6just as David also speaks of the blessing of the one to whom God counts righteousness apart from works:

TOMMY: "FAITH ALONE IS A DOCTRINE OF DEMONS"

 
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How in the world did anyone come up with God paid our sin debt to Satan? That makes no sense. If one thinks about it that makes Satan greater then God. Which is impossible as Satan is a created being.
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they had to come up with something.
the idea that God was pleased to crush His Son for transgressors sickens them so much, they'll make satan the boss and God the underling
 
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