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It seems that we are in the Great Tribulation period now - which begins (row 17) just after the abomination of desolation (row 16) and continues until "the end" (row 20).
I know that people are not used to thinking about the Great Tribulation as being lengthy. However, this is the only conclusion I have been able to determine that actually makes sense with regard to the details...
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I know that people are not used to thinking about the Great Tribulation as being lengthy. However, this is the only conclusion I have been able to determine that actually makes sense with regard to the details...
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The tribulation of Antichrist was shorted from 3 and a half years, to 5 months. at the end of the five months, the two witnesses will be killed., 3 and a half days later they are raised and the real Christ returns. -( Revelation 11:3-19 )
The time it was originally : Revelation 13:5 - three an a half years , the equivalent of 42 months.
Christ stating He shorted in for the Elects sake: Mark 13:20
And how long Satan's reign was shortened to : Revelation 9:5
This scriptures states how he knows he has a short time to deceive; the world: Revelation 12:12
The time it was originally : Revelation 13:5 - three an a half years , the equivalent of 42 months.
Christ stating He shorted in for the Elects sake: Mark 13:20
And how long Satan's reign was shortened to : Revelation 9:5
This scriptures states how he knows he has a short time to deceive; the world: Revelation 12:12
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Please explain Luke 21:24 in light of the fact that the things which it describes occur after the Great Tribulation begins...
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Not sure what this is refering to. YET. but i will its taking time to study, but we have to keep it where it belongs for now and not run off the cliff because of it. Don't lose the other scriptures because one is not understood, but I think Daniel mentions this. And I think Daniel connects that to Satan. and his reign . But I dont know for sure yet.
What i do, know is what i posted about how long it will be how long it was and thats it. That has to be considered.
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When you do discover what this verse is referring to, you will realize that it has already happened...
Otherwise, the "times of the Gentiles'' is just a very short span of time at the very end of all things right before Christ comes back - right?
Nothing like this is supposed to happen to the Jews (after 1948) until Armageddon - right?
What happens at Armageddon does not include 'shall be led away captive into all nations'...
I never said that I did not know what it was referring to - I just want you to ''study it out" until you come to a conclusion of your own. When you have an answer for these questions, we can continue our discussion:
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Otherwise, the "times of the Gentiles'' is just a very short span of time at the very end of all things right before Christ comes back - right?
Nothing like this is supposed to happen to the Jews (after 1948) until Armageddon - right?
What happens at Armageddon does not include 'shall be led away captive into all nations'...
I never said that I did not know what it was referring to - I just want you to ''study it out" until you come to a conclusion of your own. When you have an answer for these questions, we can continue our discussion:
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Please note in the comments column where I stated:
( Note the phrase "But before all these" in Luke. )
The context of the olivet discourse is overwhelmingly from sometime before 70AD to the second coming of Christ.
Interestingly, the temple is not specifically mentioned again after the initial statement by Jesus about every stone being thrown down.
This is related to the abomination of desolation - which is determined in this study (so far) to be around 70 A.D. before the destruction of the temple.
This is associated with the second coming of Christ - as is every place in the scriptures that describes Christ coming in/with clouds.
It has nothing to do with His ascension.
I believe that the phrase 'this generation' is referring to the generation of people who ''see all these things"...
What day? The second coming of Christ, of course...
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( Note the phrase "But before all these" in Luke. )
The context of the olivet discourse is overwhelmingly from sometime before 70AD to the second coming of Christ.
Interestingly, the temple is not specifically mentioned again after the initial statement by Jesus about every stone being thrown down.
This is related to the abomination of desolation - which is determined in this study (so far) to be around 70 A.D. before the destruction of the temple.
This is associated with the second coming of Christ - as is every place in the scriptures that describes Christ coming in/with clouds.
It has nothing to do with His ascension.
I believe that the phrase 'this generation' is referring to the generation of people who ''see all these things"...
What day? The second coming of Christ, of course...
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There is a lot of scripture that "comes into play" and needs to be considered when examining the 'End-Times Scenario' - not the least of which is the book of Revelation; however, this particular study is intended to be focused on the Olivet Discourse itself (at least, as the initial and central part of it) - which is why the three written accounts of it by the three different authors are the only thing in the chart. The discussion, of course, may venture out to any and all relevant scripture. The scope of this thread is all that lies within the confines of the subject matter of the Olivet Discourse. The use of the chart is to both combine and compare the three different accounts...
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I have attached to this post copies of the actual 'html' and 'css' files used to build the chart for this study. The original names of the files:
Olivet_Discourse.html
GRA.css
I renamed 'GRA.css' to 'GRA.txt' so that it could be attached. After downloading it, you should rename it back to 'GRA.css'.
Place the 'css' file one directory above the 'html' file -- or -- edit the 'html' file and remove '../' from the '@import' line at the top of the file.
Then, open / view the 'html' file with your browser.
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Olivet_Discourse.html
GRA.css
I renamed 'GRA.css' to 'GRA.txt' so that it could be attached. After downloading it, you should rename it back to 'GRA.css'.
Place the 'css' file one directory above the 'html' file -- or -- edit the 'html' file and remove '../' from the '@import' line at the top of the file.
Then, open / view the 'html' file with your browser.
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In the olivet discourse, Jesus describes future events in a non-linear order.
The order of these events may be determined almost entirely from the "grammar of the language" of the passages of scripture.
Perhaps the first especially-useful thing to understand about the olivet discourse is:
For the moment, let's ignore the date 70 A.D. and consider only the association and order of events.
I believe that it can be easily established without dispute that the 'great tribulation' referred to in row 17 begins at or just after the 'abomination of desolation' referred to in row 16.
I also believe that it can be easily established without dispute that the implied end of this same tribulation in row 20 occurs not-too-long before the return of Christ, described in row 21.
So then, thus far we have - the 'great tribulation' begins ~ 'abomination of desolation' and ends ~ 'the second coming of Christ'.
Now, we know "absolutely for certain" that the second coming of Christ is yet in our future.
So, that leaves the question 'When did / does the abomination of desolation occur?'.
While keeping the following in mind:
"What think ye?"
The order of these events may be determined almost entirely from the "grammar of the language" of the passages of scripture.
Perhaps the first especially-useful thing to understand about the olivet discourse is:
For the moment, let's ignore the date 70 A.D. and consider only the association and order of events.
I believe that it can be easily established without dispute that the 'great tribulation' referred to in row 17 begins at or just after the 'abomination of desolation' referred to in row 16.
I also believe that it can be easily established without dispute that the implied end of this same tribulation in row 20 occurs not-too-long before the return of Christ, described in row 21.
So then, thus far we have - the 'great tribulation' begins ~ 'abomination of desolation' and ends ~ 'the second coming of Christ'.
Now, we know "absolutely for certain" that the second coming of Christ is yet in our future.
So, that leaves the question 'When did / does the abomination of desolation occur?'.
While keeping the following in mind:
"What think ye?"
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Do you understand what I am saying? (in the quote above)
The order of events defined in the 'Chronological Order' chart (the small chart placed after the large chart) may be determined almost entirely based on the way the passages are written.
"Pay close attention to the grammar and the wording. Try to 'listen' ONLY to the passages of scripture -- what is it telling you?"
"What think ye?"
The order of events defined in the 'Chronological Order' chart (the small chart placed after the large chart) may be determined almost entirely based on the way the passages are written.
"Pay close attention to the grammar and the wording. Try to 'listen' ONLY to the passages of scripture -- what is it telling you?"
"What think ye?"
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UNLESS the tribulation period coincides with "the times of the Gentiles" - from before 70 A.D. until the Second Coming of Christ ≈ 2000 years
'the times of the Gentiles' => "the span of time from the end of 'the 70 weeks of Daniel' (Daniel 9:24) until the Second Coming of Christ"
"Thought for the day..."
'the times of the Gentiles' => "the span of time from the end of 'the 70 weeks of Daniel' (Daniel 9:24) until the Second Coming of Christ"
"Thought for the day..."
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This thread is dedicated to a study on the Olivet Discourse. This chart is the centerpiece of the study. It is a work in progress. I am posting it now to give you a "preview" of it so you can "look it over" and see what you might conclude...
I will try to update the chart with new information as I am able.
The chart is too large to insert in the post. Please just use the link above and open it in a new window.
As is normal for a thread in this forum - comments are welcome...
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I will try to update the chart with new information as I am able.
The chart is too large to insert in the post. Please just use the link above and open it in a new window.
As is normal for a thread in this forum - comments are welcome...
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