Originally Posted by
Enow
Did you know that
to be a true witness in God's eye, you have to have another witness with you?
Not so.
1) That was the Mosaic law only for court witnessing to a crime.
2) The Mosaic law has been set aside (Heb 7:18-19).
3) In the NT it again applies to charges of misconduct.
It also applies to establishing a witness which can be done to establishing a charge.
John 8:[SUP]
13 [/SUP]The Pharisees therefore said unto him, Thou bearest record of thyself; thy record is not true. [SUP]
14 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto them, Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true: for I know whence I came, and whither I go; but ye cannot tell whence I come, and whither I go. [SUP]
15 [/SUP]Ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. [SUP]
16 [/SUP]And yet if I judge, my judgment is true: for I am not alone, but I and the Father that sent me.[SUP]
17 [/SUP]It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. [SUP]
18 [/SUP]I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.
So Jesus reconfirmed that law of what makes a false witness from a true witness.
John 5:[SUP]
31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
So how did the Triune God had borne witness of the Son at His water baptism?
John 3:[SUP]
15 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. [SUP]
16 [/SUP]And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: [SUP]
17 [/SUP]And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
How else can the righteousness of thsi prophesy be fulfilled as Jesus told John the Baptist's?
Isaiah 48:[SUP]
16 [/SUP]Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. [SUP]
17 [/SUP]Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.
So whenever we bear worship by ourself individually IN spirit & IN truth, we are led by the Spirit of God to come to the Father in worship by way of the Son. The individual worship and indiviual prayer and that individual living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ is done with the witness of the Holy Spirit at the same time of doing so in the eyes of God.
Our individual witness of our singular worship of Him must be accompanied with the Spirit's witness as a witness of true worshippers IN spirit & IN truth in the honour of & glory of God the Father to worship God as God through honour of & glory of the Son.
There is no other way, because individually as believers in Jesus Christ, this judgment is hanging over every believer in doing so as the witness of the Holy Spirit and the witness of the Father will determine how the Son will judge us by how we are relating to God through the Son.
John 5:[SUP]
22 [/SUP]For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: [SUP]
23 [/SUP]That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.
Those words above should not be taken lightly as if He did not really mean that.
There are other verses in the NT that establishes that at leats two witnesses is required for any witness to be true as Jesus has confirmed.
Jesus had taught it as a way of correcting someoe within the body of Christ:
Matthew 18:16But if he will not hear thee,
then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Paul repeats that necessity:
2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
Even for correcting an elder in a church:
1 Timothy 5:19Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
So there is necessity to take heed of His invitation because Jesus really is the only way to relate to God the Father by and the only reason He would say... I know ye not whence ye are to wayward believer to be left behind at the pre trib rapture.
Matthew 7:[SUP]
13 [/SUP]Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: [SUP]
14 [/SUP]Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
John 14:[SUP]
4 [/SUP]And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know. [SUP]
5 [/SUP]Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? [SUP]
6 [/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. [SUP]
7 [/SUP]If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.....[SUP]
7 [/SUP]Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.
The fact that this prophetic warning was given to the body of believers as happening within the body of believers should prove the matter in how we are to comtinue relating to God the Father through the Son in getting to know Him, but only God can help any believer see that singular and narrow Truth in His words to avoid Him saying I know ye not "whence" ye are because the iniquity was that they were not coming to Him only by way of the Son in being personl with Him as the Bridegroom He is.
Luke 13:[SUP]
24 [/SUP]
Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.[SUP]
25 [/SUP]When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying,
Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: [SUP]
26 [/SUP]Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. [SUP]
27 [/SUP]But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. [SUP]
28 [/SUP]There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. [SUP]
29 [/SUP]And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. [SUP]
30 [/SUP]And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.