Is it best to see the good in others?

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tdrew777

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God so loved the world (not just the elect). Atonement was made for everyone.
 
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Chr

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My wife and I had a debate on seeing the good in others from the beginning or to stay neutral and get to know them. I have always lived by giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and go into meeting all people as if they were good people. This often leads to me being hurt or disappointed when I find out there true nature. She always goes into things thinking neutral towards people and finding out if they are to be trusted or not.

I see my view as love thy neighbor and even further love thy enemy. I'd always prefer to put faith and trust in someone and find out later they were bad people than to go into it with no trust.

Thoughts?
Great question!! We need wisdom some people are trustworthy some are not.Question number 1.Are they a true believer with integrity? 2. What does your wife mean by neutral?3 what do you mean by trust?

The bible says to treat others the way we want to be treated.It also teaches us to be discerning.So do both.Every situation is diffrent.Trust but not being naive Ask God for wisdom.Be loving and wise and not fearful.God will take care of both of you. :)
 
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crosspreacher

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"But I say to you, Love your enemies, bless those who curse you , do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you."
Matt. 5 vs 44
 
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Angel-A

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Everyone has its own way. If you feel that – it is what God want you to do – do it. In time will be revile to you – why he choose those people in your path to him.
From my personal experience – ‘bad people’ usually help us to get closer to God than ‘good’.
Why is that?
Did anyone know the difference between both of them?
Bad – but in who’s opinion? Good? – that is only base on our judgement – they all whatever we will think of them are here to help us to reach God. The quickest way to get there is by understanding that suffering is the most difficult and important things to get us close to Jesus.
Agreement to suffer by different kind of people and learning from that experiences to be humble – will take the need of trying to fit people into the boxes – name ‘bad’ or ‘good’.
Meditate – only in silence we can find God.
Trust – only God – rest – try to accept them as they are – wick human as you and rest of us is.
How to accept them?
Start from yourself – without self-love and acceptance – you will find very difficult to accept other people.
God said ‘love your neighbour as thyself’ – so first we have to start with ourselves!
 
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tdrew777

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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.
18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his works should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God.
 

tribesman

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16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth on him should not perish, but have eternal life. 17 For God sent not the Son into the world to judge the world; but that the world should be saved through him.
18 He that believeth on him is not judged: he that believeth not hath been judged already, because he hath not believed on the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment, that the light is come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for their works were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, and cometh not to the light, lest his works should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth the truth cometh to the light, that his works may be made manifest, that they have been wrought in God.
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[h=3]John.3[/h][22] After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized.
[23] And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.
[24] For John was not yet cast into prison.
[25] Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying.
[26] And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him.
[27] John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
[28] Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him.
[29] He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.
[30] He must increase, but I must decrease.
[31] He that cometh from above is above all: he that is of the earth is earthly, and speaketh of the earth: he that cometh from heaven is above all.
[32] And what he hath seen and heard, that he testifieth; and no man receiveth his testimony.
[33] He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true.
[34] For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.
[35] The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand.
[36] He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
 
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tdrew777

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The atonement is sufficient for all - in that sense God so loved the world (even though they are not all His children) as stated in John 3:16.
The atonement was made with special reference only for the elect. It is, in the end, effective only for them. There is no other provision for those who reject Christ. They find themselves despised, rejected by the God whom they have rejected. They are abhorred in the Holy fellowship that they have abhorred.
Are we in agreement?
 

tribesman

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The atonement is sufficient for all - in that sense God so loved the world (even though they are not all His children) as stated in John 3:16.
The atonement was made with special reference only for the elect. It is, in the end, effective only for them. There is no other provision for those who reject Christ. They find themselves despised, rejected by the God whom they have rejected. They are abhorred in the Holy fellowship that they have abhorred.
Are we in agreement?
Tell me first what you mean with the words "in the end" and "effective" (are you saying effective but actually meaning effectual?). If you believe that the atonement is only "effective" for those who would fulfill some sort of condition in any way, shape or form, including of an act of "free choice" etc, then we are not in agreement. And if you say that God loves the reprobate then I do not agree with that as well.
 
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Powemm

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God has no preferences over "WHO" he loves .. He loves all the same .. However not all
Men love god the same .. When we "know" the love God has towards us, then we "know" how to
Properly be loving towards men.. To answer your question, "Os it best to see good in others ?" Yes.. Why? Because He put everything good Wich "He is" in us.. If this wasn't who our god is .. Then Zephaniah 3:17 would not hold up to Gods character .. and God is not a man that He should lie...
when we "believe" God and who He tells us he is .. We see others as God sees us ...also if it wasn't true.. Why are any of us still standing? surely not because we have done anything good ... But because God
Loves us good enough ... Inspite of ourselves.. It is by" His" mercy "non of us" have gotten what we truly deserve , it is by
His grace we have more than we do deserve.. that comes only from a God who
Sees no sin in us... And loves us even when we don't love Him... To me that is worth mentioning ..
 

tribesman

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God has no preferences over "WHO" he loves .. He loves all the same .. However not all
Men love god the same .. When we "know" the love God has towards us, then we "know" how to
Properly be loving towards men.. To answer your question, "Os it best to see good in others ?" Yes.. Why? Because He put everything good Wich "He is" in us.. If this wasn't who our god is .. Then Zephaniah 3:17 would not hold up to Gods character .. and God is not a man that He should lie...
when we "believe" God and who He tells us he is .. We see others as God sees us ...also if it wasn't true.. Why are any of us still standing? surely not because we have done anything good ... But because God
Loves us good enough ... Inspite of ourselves.. It is by" His" mercy "non of us" have gotten what we truly deserve , it is by
His grace we have more than we do deserve.. that comes only from a God who
Sees no sin in us... And loves us even when we don't love Him... To me that is worth mentioning ..
He shows to "all" that He is good and love. But that doesn't mean He loves "all" equally the same. Nor that He shows mercy to "all" equally the same.

He loves Jacob (His treasure), He hates Esau/Edom.

Num.23

[21] He hath not beheld iniquity in Jacob, neither hath he seen perverseness in Israel: the LORD his God is with him, and the shout of a king is among them.
Ps.5

[5] The foolish shall not stand in thy sight: thou hatest all workers of iniquity.
[6] Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Ps.135

[3] Praise the LORD; for the LORD is good: sing praises unto his name; for it is pleasant.
[4] For the LORD hath chosen Jacob unto himself, and Israel for his peculiar treasure.
Jer.31

[1] At the same time, saith the LORD, will I be the God of all the families of Israel, and they shall be my people.
[2] Thus saith the LORD, The people which were left of the sword found grace in the wilderness; even Israel, when I went to cause him to rest.
[3] The LORD hath appeared of old unto me, saying, Yea, I have loved thee with an everlasting love: therefore with lovingkindness have I drawn thee.
[4] Again I will build thee, and thou shalt be built, O virgin of Israel: thou shalt again be adorned with thy tabrets, and shalt go forth in the dances of them that make merry.
Mal.1

[1] The burden of the word of the LORD to Israel by Malachi.
[2] I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob,
[3] And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.
[4] Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.
Rom.9

[13] As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
[14] What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
[15] For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
[16] So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
 
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spacefreak

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always be at least slightly careful when meeting new people until you get to know them so you know what there about BUT defintly have an open mind that people might be good because the next person you meet just might become your next best friend or might be the person that could see Christ in you. also if everybody tries to be as nice as possible to everyone they meet then it can make a difference because if your nice too them it can make their day better in some way.
i heard a saying one time in a movie, the saying was that one way to change the world for the better[ paraphrase], is to have one ACT of RANDOM KINDNESS. a.r.k.

just a thought but a couple of movies you might want to check out is 'facing the giants' and 'fireproof' and 'courageous' there all christian movies and there very good, i loved them. they might help. the left behind movies with Kirk Cameron are also good movies to see, all christian moves
 
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Relena7

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@ The OP, I don't see anything wrong with either outlook, to be honest.

It's good to look for the good in others. It shows you are open to positive experiences yourself, and that true authentic kindness with no strings attached would not be wasted on you. :)

It is also good to be cautious when you first meet people (so they don't take advantage of you in some way), as long as the shield you put up doesn't make them feel pushed away or give off a cold vibe. Given all the dishonest people in the world, I'm sure the majority of people would not take it personally if you didn't instantly treat them like a best friend.

Maybe you could look at it like a good thing that you and your wife disagree.
She can be the cautious neutral one, and you can be the optimistic one. Working together, perhaps it could balance everything out in the end? :D
 

homwardbound

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God so loved the world (not just the elect). Atonement was made for everyone.
That is the begining to bring salvation not salvation for salvation comes from life not death, death was needed first before life can be given and is very clear in Romans 6:1-11 and Romans 5:10
[h=3]Romans 5:10[/h]New International Version (NIV)

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life!
First understand the whole world ahs been reconciled (Forgiven) but not saved for the death does not save. It is LIFE a new one recieved from God through one asking for it and it sjhll be done inthat one that asks in Faith as God already did Christ so read Romans 6:1-11 and ask for this to be done in you as well and it will provided any one of you all believe God
 
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cfultz3

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My husband and I used to have the same debate, I was for the good. :)
But after 31 years of marraige, he finnally admited I was right. ;) just kidding.
Actually he is now looking for the good, and Ive realised that such does not matter anymore.
Because I relaised that even though looking for the good is good, that we are called not to looking to good as reason to accept another.
But accepting and loving others not because of who they are, or because they are good, but as Jesus showed us, loving them because they are.
In doing this, one doesnt need a reason to love the other, wether good or bad, one loves because Jesus in us, loves us all.
The good thing is? That no longer is one disapointed if one is not what one thought they were, and no longer does one mesure or judge them because of Jesus, One simply sees them through Jesus's eyes, and delights in the person God created.
The amazing thing is? One sees in the other, how all is made good, and like one's self, all that is needed is Jesus to perfect one.

God bless
pickles
I just love you Pickles
 

homwardbound

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Everyone has its own way. If you feel that – it is what God want you to do – do it. In time will be revile to you – why he choose those people in your path to him.
From my personal experience – ‘bad people’ usually help us to get closer to God than ‘good’.
Why is that?
Did anyone know the difference between both of them?
Bad – but in who’s opinion? Good? – that is only base on our judgement – they all whatever we will think of them are here to help us to reach God. The quickest way to get there is by understanding that suffering is the most difficult and important things to get us close to Jesus.
Agreement to suffer by different kind of people and learning from that experiences to be humble – will take the need of trying to fit people into the boxes – name ‘bad’ or ‘good’.
Meditate – only in silence we can find God.
Trust – only God – rest – try to accept them as they are – wick human as you and rest of us is.
How to accept them?
Start from yourself – without self-love and acceptance – you will find very difficult to accept other people.
God said ‘love your neighbour as thyself’ – so first we have to start with ourselves!
I did this at first as you say then I realized I was relating to people on how much I loved myself and I tell you that was not good because I saw me as filthy rags and still do even though I have changed. For today as I grew I came to the conclusion that I as well as those around me only loved others on the basis of on how much they believe they are loved. The same goes for forgiveness, one only forgives according to how much they think they are forgiven.
When I came to truth and heard this truth I was shocked and thus now in the new covenant I Forgive because in God I am forgiven period not of any future sins because is not here yet, and according to Peter in 2 peter all sins that are past are forgiven therefore how fast is the past, before you can ask for any further forgiveness. anyway and so therefore when one sees that they are forgiven then they see the Love of God and then youy Love all because they and you are loved by God started at the cross of Christ
Love ya!!! Homwardbound
 
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DavEtheBravE

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perfect Love cast out fear

Stay Blessed
 
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CDavid

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My wife and I had a debate on seeing the good in others from the beginning or to stay neutral and get to know them. I have always lived by giving everyone the benefit of the doubt and go into meeting all people as if they were good people. This often leads to me being hurt or disappointed when I find out there true nature. She always goes into things thinking neutral towards people and finding out if they are to be trusted or not.

I see my view as love thy neighbor and even further love thy enemy. I'd always prefer to put faith and trust in someone and find out later they were bad people than to go into it with no trust.

Thoughts?
[h=2]English Proverb said: "Hope for the best, but prepare for the worst"[/h]Although this is not from scripture, because of it's proverbial content, it would probably serve us well.
 
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xxmattxx

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I have many times struggled with this as in the past I always tried to see the good in people but ended getting hurt and even when getting hurt still tried to see some good. I see it as in the bible it says about having the innocents of a child I believe what one part of that involves meet people with a friendly attitude and believing that there is good in everyone if that makes sense.

I do believe everyone has good in them the thing u need to work out is how much bad is in them that pushes the good down.