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'eschatology' mike?
really?
no...this goes to the heart of the Gospel, and denies the Work and Very Person of Christ.
it destroys the Unity of Scripture, diminishes the Plan of God.
and makes provision for genocide by all nations currently claiming to be 'religious'
it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ.
i thought you knew that.
really?
no...this goes to the heart of the Gospel, and denies the Work and Very Person of Christ.
it destroys the Unity of Scripture, diminishes the Plan of God.
and makes provision for genocide by all nations currently claiming to be 'religious'
it's got nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus Christ.
i thought you knew that.
P
I see you do not understand human nature very well. After seeing with their own eyes God’s plagues in Egypt and the Red Sea miraculously parted the Jews still made an idol and bowed down to worship it and failed to believe what God had promised and died in the wilderness never setting foot in the promised land. So don’t assume that seeing such a terrible judgment and destruction of those under the Law would induce anyone to put their faith in God. That’s not the purpose of the revelation of God’s righteous judgment. The purpose is so that at the final judgment no man can stand before Jesus and plead ignorance.
It did get in there. It’s called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ,” and it is the primary subject of those prophecies which were given for the express purpose of revealing to the whole world just who this Crucified Savior is. He is no longer a simple carpenter from Nazareth clothed in humble flesh. He is now a Glorified, Triumphant, All-Powerful, Ever-Living, Ever-Reigning King of Glory who has overcome the world, triumphed over sin, broken the power of death, and defeated the enemies of God, including those of God’s own household. That’s what the Revelation of Jesus Christ reveals, the Triumph of Christ, the defeat of Satan, the judgment and destruction of those to whom God had entrusted the Promise, the salvation of a remnant, and the Gospel going forth into all the world for a witness to all nations that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Then comes the end, Satan loosed, the armies gathered, fire raining down from heaven, the Lord's return, the great resurrection, the final judgment, the new heavens and earth, and the eternal state when the New Jerusalem descends out of heaven and the Father and Son dwell with man in a world that will never again know fighting, or sin, or death, or parting, or weeping, or sorrow ... Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus!
Please explain just what you mean by “he is done?” And what exactly is the difference between Satan being “done” and being “bound.”
You’ve got it wrong. Satan will not be “taken out” until he is cast into the lake of fire. And he will never be “dead” but will be tormented in the lake of fire forever and ever.
Look, when the scribes heard about Jesus casting demons out of people they accused him of casting out demons by the power of Satan. But Jesus told them:
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Matthew 12:28-29
So you see? You are assuming that Satan being bound means he is powerless and dead. But that’s not what Jesus taught about the binding of Satan. Jesus clearly said that Satan had to be bound in order for him to enter into Satan’s house and “spoil his goods,” meaning liberate the souls that Satan has help captive all their lives.
None of the things I’m sharing are new, they are in fact what the Gospel teaches:
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine [is] this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him. Mark 1;27
Jesus gives a very different explanation of what it means for Satan to be bound, and it does not, as you state, mean Satan is “taken out and dead,” it means he is powerless against Jesus, powerless to stop the Lord, and the Lord’s Church, from beating down the gates of hell and liberating the souls that Satan has help captive all their lives.
Because the Church is so weak. The Church, at least the evangelical church of America, has willfully and arrogantly laid down it’s sword and refused to engage, choosing to believe instead that this world and everything in it belongs to and is under the power of Satan, and they are just biding their time until the Lord comes and takes them away while the world goes to hell in a hand basket. This is not what the Church is called to do, to refuse to fight and just hand over the world to Satan as if that is God’s will because of some twisted interpretation of prophecy that strips Jesus of his power and authority and makes eunuchs of Jesus’ warriors.
That's not true!
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Now brother, who has all the power? In heaven and in earth? Satan? Or Jesus?
A world where newborn kids will sleep with lions? You mean a world where the animal kingdom will no longer prey upon one another to eat? You mean a return to the Edenic state man and all creation enjoyed before sin and death entered into the world? But that’s just it, those conditions will not exist until this old sin-weary, death-bound, corrupt world is purified by fire and all those things are forever purged away. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth and THEN the lamb will lie down with the lion, THEN there will be no more sin, or sickness, or weeping, or death. Then there will be no more sin or rebellion because the sinners will be gone. Then there will be no more evil because Satan will not just be bound in the pit, but he too will be cast into the lake of fire. THEN he will be “gone” … forever.
But until that day, it is Jesus Christ who reigns over all things, whether they be things in heaven, or things in earth, all power and all authority belongs to him. And he has commissioned us, his Church, to go forth in his name and beat down the very gates of hell, preaching the Gospel and setting souls free from their prisons, spreading abroad the light and love and peace of God that transcends this old world and changes lives.
Choose carefully who you believe is King and Lord of this earth, my brother, souls depend on it …
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places], Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come …
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
It did get in there. It’s called “The Revelation of Jesus Christ,” and it is the primary subject of those prophecies which were given for the express purpose of revealing to the whole world just who this Crucified Savior is. He is no longer a simple carpenter from Nazareth clothed in humble flesh. He is now a Glorified, Triumphant, All-Powerful, Ever-Living, Ever-Reigning King of Glory who has overcome the world, triumphed over sin, broken the power of death, and defeated the enemies of God, including those of God’s own household. That’s what the Revelation of Jesus Christ reveals, the Triumph of Christ, the defeat of Satan, the judgment and destruction of those to whom God had entrusted the Promise, the salvation of a remnant, and the Gospel going forth into all the world for a witness to all nations that Jesus Christ is Lord to the glory of God the Father.
Then comes the end, Satan loosed, the armies gathered, fire raining down from heaven, the Lord's return, the great resurrection, the final judgment, the new heavens and earth, and the eternal state when the New Jerusalem descends out of heaven and the Father and Son dwell with man in a world that will never again know fighting, or sin, or death, or parting, or weeping, or sorrow ... Maranatha, Come Lord Jesus!
Please explain just what you mean by “he is done?” And what exactly is the difference between Satan being “done” and being “bound.”
You’ve got it wrong. Satan will not be “taken out” until he is cast into the lake of fire. And he will never be “dead” but will be tormented in the lake of fire forever and ever.
Look, when the scribes heard about Jesus casting demons out of people they accused him of casting out demons by the power of Satan. But Jesus told them:
But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you. Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house. Matthew 12:28-29
So you see? You are assuming that Satan being bound means he is powerless and dead. But that’s not what Jesus taught about the binding of Satan. Jesus clearly said that Satan had to be bound in order for him to enter into Satan’s house and “spoil his goods,” meaning liberate the souls that Satan has help captive all their lives.
None of the things I’m sharing are new, they are in fact what the Gospel teaches:
And they were all amazed, insomuch that they questioned among themselves, saying, What thing is this? what new doctrine [is] this? for with authority commandeth he even the unclean spirits, and they do obey him. Mark 1;27
Jesus gives a very different explanation of what it means for Satan to be bound, and it does not, as you state, mean Satan is “taken out and dead,” it means he is powerless against Jesus, powerless to stop the Lord, and the Lord’s Church, from beating down the gates of hell and liberating the souls that Satan has help captive all their lives.
Because the Church is so weak. The Church, at least the evangelical church of America, has willfully and arrogantly laid down it’s sword and refused to engage, choosing to believe instead that this world and everything in it belongs to and is under the power of Satan, and they are just biding their time until the Lord comes and takes them away while the world goes to hell in a hand basket. This is not what the Church is called to do, to refuse to fight and just hand over the world to Satan as if that is God’s will because of some twisted interpretation of prophecy that strips Jesus of his power and authority and makes eunuchs of Jesus’ warriors.
That's not true!
And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.
Now brother, who has all the power? In heaven and in earth? Satan? Or Jesus?
A world where newborn kids will sleep with lions? You mean a world where the animal kingdom will no longer prey upon one another to eat? You mean a return to the Edenic state man and all creation enjoyed before sin and death entered into the world? But that’s just it, those conditions will not exist until this old sin-weary, death-bound, corrupt world is purified by fire and all those things are forever purged away. Then there will be a new heaven and a new earth and THEN the lamb will lie down with the lion, THEN there will be no more sin, or sickness, or weeping, or death. Then there will be no more sin or rebellion because the sinners will be gone. Then there will be no more evil because Satan will not just be bound in the pit, but he too will be cast into the lake of fire. THEN he will be “gone” … forever.
But until that day, it is Jesus Christ who reigns over all things, whether they be things in heaven, or things in earth, all power and all authority belongs to him. And he has commissioned us, his Church, to go forth in his name and beat down the very gates of hell, preaching the Gospel and setting souls free from their prisons, spreading abroad the light and love and peace of God that transcends this old world and changes lives.
Choose carefully who you believe is King and Lord of this earth, my brother, souls depend on it …
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, And what [is] the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set [him] at his own right hand in the heavenly [places], Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come …
In Christ,
Pilgrimer
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A
wow... ....God reigns and even though i peck out this message with one hand, daughter sleeping on my other one.
look at this world and its beauty and love, and truth and wisdom revealed to man, and show me how He is NOT reigning upon both Heaven and Earth?
u do not know how the world was before Jesus came. most dont even have a clue of a world without the Gospel restraining and binding the demons.
look at this world and its beauty and love, and truth and wisdom revealed to man, and show me how He is NOT reigning upon both Heaven and Earth?
u do not know how the world was before Jesus came. most dont even have a clue of a world without the Gospel restraining and binding the demons.
A
Satan isn't the only bad guy in the picture. why do people seem to forget that?
there is Ba'al to name at least one other.
there are many demons and fallen angels that wreck havoc without Satan. Satan is not their 'god" they can do things without his "guidance"
who is to say that Satan wasn't bound and has since been released?
there is Ba'al to name at least one other.
there are many demons and fallen angels that wreck havoc without Satan. Satan is not their 'god" they can do things without his "guidance"
who is to say that Satan wasn't bound and has since been released?
E
It means he will reign physically on earth. as scripture says, he will reign with a rod of iron.
if we look at the two prophesies concerning Christ. we see two people.
The messiah:
1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
5. He will NEVER DIE
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.
The suffering servant
1. He will be human.
2. He will have no kingdom, no one will look up to him, they will look down on him.
3. He is not said to be God (although he is not said not to be God)
4. He takes our punsihment for our sin.
5. He dies a horrible death
6. He will rise from the dead
7. His death will justify many.
8. He is given no name. so we do not know who he will be.
It is all part of the hidden mystery and plan of God.
the jews rejected Christ because they expected the first. not the second.
God had two plans.
1. To restor the relationship with God and man
2. To restor things on earth as they were
God will fulfill both. he fulfilled the first with his first advent.. I which is why I say, in my belief, this is not a salvic issue, although some will condemn me claiming it is..
if we look at the two prophesies concerning Christ. we see two people.
The messiah:
1. He will be human, born as a child
2. He will be a ruler (government will be on his shoulders)
3. He will be God himself (He will be called mighty God)
4. His kingdom will be eternal, it will never end.
5. He will NEVER DIE
6. He will come from Judah, and rule isreal, and his kingdom will be worldwide in scope. and his kingdom will come from the strength of God himself. it can not be defeated.
7. Those who rebelled againsed him, and survived the final battle will come and worship him. No one will look down on him, but look up to him. and serve him and him only.
8. He will be served, not be a servant.
9. We are given his name: Messiah, or as we know it Christ.
The suffering servant
1. He will be human.
2. He will have no kingdom, no one will look up to him, they will look down on him.
3. He is not said to be God (although he is not said not to be God)
4. He takes our punsihment for our sin.
5. He dies a horrible death
6. He will rise from the dead
7. His death will justify many.
8. He is given no name. so we do not know who he will be.
It is all part of the hidden mystery and plan of God.
the jews rejected Christ because they expected the first. not the second.
God had two plans.
1. To restor the relationship with God and man
2. To restor things on earth as they were
God will fulfill both. he fulfilled the first with his first advent.. I which is why I say, in my belief, this is not a salvic issue, although some will condemn me claiming it is..
E
if an army loses its master, it is dead in the water. take satan away, and the armies of satan will fall and be in arrays, Especially if the son of God is ruling physically on earth. Look how they reacted to him the first time.. The only one who dared even come close to him was satan himself. they rest feared him.
That is Why God only has to bind satan and does not have to bind his whole army.
C
Perhaps, Satan is not their god but merely their 'ring leader/head master'. This is what I thought Ariel was saying also. I can agree to this also, without Satan, his army would be in disarray.
Backing out of this conversation....seems I jumped into it at the end without reading the whole thing. I normally read the last post and work up (need to change that).
Backing out of this conversation....seems I jumped into it at the end without reading the whole thing. I normally read the last post and work up (need to change that).