WHERE ARE WE TODAY IN THE BIRTH PAINS???

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cookie39

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Jesus spoke of the beginning of " BIRTH PAINS" before the end of the world as we know it...... please this is not about pre or post tribulation.... but about what we as the children of the MOST HIGH GOD see in the world today, and as Jesus Christ our Lord as told us to do "WATCH" and gave us examples ( parables) of how we ought to watch for the sign of the end........

If you would like to add so all can know what you are witnessing in the world today, has brought us closer to the delivery of the plan of God to redeem the world he has created and all HE love that is in it....


I see us at entering into the emergency door, and not made it to a nurse or doctor to tell them we are in labor and about to have THE BABY,..... We know the the pain is here, yet have not got to the place to get help for the delivery.... I would call it 5 centimeters.....

Remember we only need 10 before the baby comes..... do you think we are still in 5 months, 6, 7, 8, 8 1/2 ?? where is this world today from what you see and know according to scriptures for the birth of God's great plan of salvation??
 
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Well, First of all the world will not end. It will be transformed. We are going to live here after the fact. However, if the birth was 12:00 pm. I would say we are at 11:55 pm. The Jews have everything ready to go for the Temple, even the red heifer. All the utensils have been made and some sources say that they have the Ark of the Covenant ( I don't know for sure). Of course there must be either some battle fought or political move to have the Temple built seeing that the dome of the rock is on that sight. But we are very close.
 

WomanLovesTX

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Keep your eye on the delivery date. It takes 40 weeks (280 days) to full term. Let's use 3/22/2013 as an example of the "last days". March 22, 2013 is on a Friday. Could Jesus/Yahshua have given us an encripted message when He said "Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Winter ends March 20th and the Sabbath (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) is March 22/23. So could that Friday be "Not in Winter" and "Not on the Sabbath"?

If you or whoever is reading this, has been paying attention to the "illuminati coded messages" (they never do anything without pre-announcement to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear), then you know about 322. Do a google or youtube search on 322.

There is Four Red Blood Moon Tetrads coming. In 2014, the first of 4 total lunar eclipses occurs on Passover (First Feast Day), April 15, 2014, followed by a solar eclipse on April 29, 2014, then the second total lunar eclipse occurs on the Feast of Succoth (Last Fall Feast Day), October 8, 2014, followed by another solar eclipse on October 23, 2014.

In 2015, the Jewish religious year begins with the total solar eclipse March 20, 2015, then two weeks later the third total lunar eclipse occurs on Passover, April 14, 2015, and then the civil year beginning with the total solar eclipse on September 13, 2015 followed two weeks later by the fourth total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth, September 28, 2015.

Tetrads of four sequential lunar eclipses with no intervening partial lunar eclipses occurs 6 other times in this century, but this is the only time it occurs on the Jewish holy days of Passover and Feast of Tabernacles.

The last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967-1968, probably related to the recapture of Jerusalem by Israel. The time that the tetrad occurred before this was in 1949-1950, probably related to Israel becoming a nation. Before this time, the last occurrence was 1493-1494, probably related to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain.

Since 1 AD, this tetrad has occurred on these holy days a total of 7 times. In 2014-2015, it will be the 8th time. It won't occur again for another 500 years.

Pay attention. Yah is telling us in advance that He does not change His method of "delivery" (no pun intended!)
 

zone

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labor pains....oh the memories.
 
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Keep your eye on the delivery date. It takes 40 weeks (280 days) to full term. Let's use 3/22/2013 as an example of the "last days". March 22, 2013 is on a Friday. Could Jesus/Yahshua have given us an encripted message when He said "Matthew 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be." Winter ends March 20th and the Sabbath (Friday sundown to Saturday sundown) is March 22/23. So could that Friday be "Not in Winter" and "Not on the Sabbath"?

If you or whoever is reading this, has been paying attention to the "illuminati coded messages" (they never do anything without pre-announcement to those who have eyes to see and ears to hear), then you know about 322. Do a google or youtube search on 322.

There is Four Red Blood Moon Tetrads coming. In 2014, the first of 4 total lunar eclipses occurs on Passover (First Feast Day), April 15, 2014, followed by a solar eclipse on April 29, 2014, then the second total lunar eclipse occurs on the Feast of Succoth (Last Fall Feast Day), October 8, 2014, followed by another solar eclipse on October 23, 2014.

In 2015, the Jewish religious year begins with the total solar eclipse March 20, 2015, then two weeks later the third total lunar eclipse occurs on Passover, April 14, 2015, and then the civil year beginning with the total solar eclipse on September 13, 2015 followed two weeks later by the fourth total blood red moon on the Feast of Succoth, September 28, 2015.

Tetrads of four sequential lunar eclipses with no intervening partial lunar eclipses occurs 6 other times in this century, but this is the only time it occurs on the Jewish holy days of Passover and Feast of Tabernacles.

The last time that four blood red moons occurred together was in 1967-1968, probably related to the recapture of Jerusalem by Israel. The time that the tetrad occurred before this was in 1949-1950, probably related to Israel becoming a nation. Before this time, the last occurrence was 1493-1494, probably related to the expulsion of the Jews from Spain.

Since 1 AD, this tetrad has occurred on these holy days a total of 7 times. In 2014-2015, it will be the 8th time. It won't occur again for another 500 years.

Pay attention. Yah is telling us in advance that He does not change His method of "delivery" (no pun intended!)


No man knows the day. Even Jesus did not know while he was on earth. He knows now, as he sits at the right hand of the Father. Red moon blue moon green sun, Black sea, Gold teeth in your tea. No one knows
 

WomanLovesTX

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No man knows the day. Even Jesus did not know while he was on earth. He knows now, as he sits at the right hand of the Father. Red moon blue moon green sun, Black sea, Gold teeth in your tea. No one knows
Sorry, but you sound angry. You believe that mentioning March 22, 2013 is setting dates? I did not and will not say when Yahshua is returning. March 22, 2013 is a Friday, the day after Winter ends and the day before the Sabbath. Period! Our Lord and Savior is not coming that day. Read the verses again pertaining to His message.

Mat 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
Mat 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

I do take the Word to always be literal first. We are in the last days and there will be GREAT TRIBULATION.

Take for example another literal wording. President Peres meets with NATO SG Rasmussen and European Commission President Barroso 7-Mar-2013

[FONT=&quot]1Th 5:3[/FONT][FONT=&quot] For when they sh[/FONT]all say, Peace a[FONT=&quot]nd safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1Th 5:4[/FONT][FONT=&quot] But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. [/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]1Th 5:5[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]1Th 5:6[/FONT][FONT=&quot] Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.


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WomanLovesTX

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PEACE AND SECURITY - STARTING AT 45:00

[video=youtube_share;w2pXPU7T_vA]http://youtu.be/w2pXPU7T_vA?t=45m[/video]
 

jb

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The birth pangs have not begun yet, they are still future and start during the first three and a half years of Daniel's 70 week (ie. Daniel 9v27), the 70th week (the last 7 years of this age) kicks off when 'the prince who is to come' (the future Antichrist) will make a covenant with many nations (including) Israel (see also Rev 6v1,2). Also keep an eye on Syria, for the 7th head of the Beast comes out of the 5th. Dan 11v21. So the place to keep watching is the middles east, especially Israel and Syria. It is when Antichrist breaks this covenant and sets up his image in the Temple in Jerusalem that the Great Tribulation begins (ie the 2nd three and a half years), which end with the glorious second coming of Christ to destroy the wicked, bring His people home and bring in the Millennium. It is during the Great Tribulation that the Mystery of Iniquity works fully, hence the Great Tribulation is caused by the wrath of the Devil, NOT the wrath of God! Dan 9v27, 11v31, 12v1,11, Matt 24v15,21, 2Thess 2v1-12, Rev 7v14, 11v15-19, 12v7-12, 17v10, 20v4-6.
 
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I think we are seeing the beginning. The great wars and many others of the last 100 years. The great earthquakes in just the last few decades, The increase in severity and virulence of disease. and hunger. All these are just getting worst. however, I would think we would be foolish to try to guess how far in we are. We may just be seeing the beginning or brackston kicks false labor.. It will probably get worst as time goes forward.
 
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Where probably in the 5th trump ,going into the 6th soon. Wars rumors of wars, earthquakes , troubles , Mark 13.
We are right before the appearance of the false messiah( 2 thess 2: etc ) . The conditions are all set, and just about in place, all that remains is escalation in events surrounding Israel or the economy, war etc ( Mar 13 ).. Once God says for this to happen ( REV12:9 ) -then it will be the 6th trump.
 
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zone

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The birth pangs have not begun yet, they are still future and start during the first three and a half years of Daniel's 70 week (ie. Daniel 9v27), the 70th week (the last 7 years of this age) kicks off when 'the prince who is to come' (the future Antichrist) will make a covenant with many nations (including) Israel (see also Rev 6v1,2).
so 'the prince who is to come' (the future Antichrist) will make a covenant?

Jesus is the one mentioned in Daniel 9 not satan or some other demonic figure.

The Covenant is the New Covenant IN HIS BLOOD.
shed for the remission of sins.


Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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...[refers] to the Messiah, who is the principal subject of the prophecy; and the work which, according to this, he was to perform was, during that "one week," to exert such an influence as would tend to establish a covenant between the people and God. The effect of his work during that one week would be to secure their adhesion to the "true religion;" to confirm to them the Divine promises, and to establish the principles of that religion which would lead them to God. Nothing is said of the mode by which that would be done; and anything, therefore, which would secure this would be a fulfillment of the prophecy. As a matter of fact, if it refers to the Lord Jesus, this was done by his personal instructions, his example, his sufferings and death, and the arrangements which he made to secure the proper effect of his work on the minds of the people - all designed to procure for them the friendship and favor of God, and to unite them to him in the bonds of an enduring covenant.

With many - לרבים lârabı̂ym. Or, for many; or, unto many. He would perform a work which would pertain to many, or which would bear on many, leading them to God. There is nothing in the word here which would indicate who they were, whether his own immediate followers, or those who already were in the covenant. The simple idea is, that this would pertain to "many" persons, and it would be fulfilled if the effect of his work were to confirm "many" who were already in the covenant, or if he should bring "many" others into a covenant relation with God.
Barnes

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(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
Geneva

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(3.) But, whatever uncertainty we may labour under concerning the exact fixing of these times, there is enough clear and certain to answer the two great ends of determining them. [1.] It did serve them to raise and support the expectations of believers. There were general promises of the coming of the Messiah made to the patriarchs; the preceding prophets had often spoken of him as one that should come, but never was the time fixed for his coming until now. And, though there might be so much doubt concerning the date of this reckoning that they could not ascertain the time just to a year, yet by the light of this prophecy they were directed about what time to expect him. And we find, accordingly, that when Christ came he was generally looked for as the consolation of Israel, and redemption in Jerusalem by him, Lu. 2:25, 38.

There were those that for this reason thought the kingdom of God should immediately appear (Lu. 19:11), and some think it was this that brought a more than ordinary concourse of people to Jerusalem, Acts 2:5. [2.] It does serve still to refute and silence the expectations of unbelievers, who will not own that Jesus is he who should come, but still look for another.

This prediction should silence them, and will condemn them; for, reckon these seventy weeks from which of the commandments to build Jerusalem we please, it is certain that they have expired above 1500 years ago; so that the Jews are for ever without excuse, who will not own that the Messiah has come when they have gone so far beyond their utmost reckoning for his coming. But by this we are confirmed in our belief of the Messiah's being come, and that our Jesus is he, that he came just at the time prefixed, a time worthy to be had in everlasting remembrance.
Matthew Henry
 
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so 'the prince who is to come' (the future Antichrist) will make a covenant?

Jesus is the one mentioned in Daniel 9 not satan or some other demonic figure.

The Covenant is the New Covenant IN HIS BLOOD.
shed for the remission of sins.


Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

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...[refers] to the Messiah, who is the principal subject of the prophecy; and the work which, according to this, he was to perform was, during that "one week," to exert such an influence as would tend to establish a covenant between the people and God. The effect of his work during that one week would be to secure their adhesion to the "true religion;" to confirm to them the Divine promises, and to establish the principles of that religion which would lead them to God. Nothing is said of the mode by which that would be done; and anything, therefore, which would secure this would be a fulfillment of the prophecy. As a matter of fact, if it refers to the Lord Jesus, this was done by his personal instructions, his example, his sufferings and death, and the arrangements which he made to secure the proper effect of his work on the minds of the people - all designed to procure for them the friendship and favor of God, and to unite them to him in the bonds of an enduring covenant.

With many - לרבים lârabı̂ym. Or, for many; or, unto many. He would perform a work which would pertain to many, or which would bear on many, leading them to God. There is nothing in the word here which would indicate who they were, whether his own immediate followers, or those who already were in the covenant. The simple idea is, that this would pertain to "many" persons, and it would be fulfilled if the effect of his work were to confirm "many" who were already in the covenant, or if he should bring "many" others into a covenant relation with God.
Barnes

.................

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.

(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.

(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
Geneva

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(3.) But, whatever uncertainty we may labour under concerning the exact fixing of these times, there is enough clear and certain to answer the two great ends of determining them. [1.] It did serve them to raise and support the expectations of believers. There were general promises of the coming of the Messiah made to the patriarchs; the preceding prophets had often spoken of him as one that should come, but never was the time fixed for his coming until now. And, though there might be so much doubt concerning the date of this reckoning that they could not ascertain the time just to a year, yet by the light of this prophecy they were directed about what time to expect him. And we find, accordingly, that when Christ came he was generally looked for as the consolation of Israel, and redemption in Jerusalem by him, Lu. 2:25, 38.

There were those that for this reason thought the kingdom of God should immediately appear (Lu. 19:11), and some think it was this that brought a more than ordinary concourse of people to Jerusalem, Acts 2:5. [2.] It does serve still to refute and silence the expectations of unbelievers, who will not own that Jesus is he who should come, but still look for another.

This prediction should silence them, and will condemn them; for, reckon these seventy weeks from which of the commandments to build Jerusalem we please, it is certain that they have expired above 1500 years ago; so that the Jews are for ever without excuse, who will not own that the Messiah has come when they have gone so far beyond their utmost reckoning for his coming. But by this we are confirmed in our belief of the Messiah's being come, and that our Jesus is he, that he came just at the time prefixed, a time worthy to be had in everlasting remembrance.
Matthew Henry
Messiah is not the principle subject of the prophesy. Daniels people and the city of Jerusalem are the subject..

We do not just throw context out of our interpretation just so we can force the passage to fit our belief system. The messiah was mentioned twice. He came (end of 69th week) and God killed. Nothing else in the whole passage speaks of the messiah. The whole prophesy is a record of things to come. it spams hundreds of years just until messiah came.. It would be foolish to assume it finished there.
 

zone

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Messiah is not the principle subject of the prophesy. Daniels people and the city of Jerusalem are the subject..
ya i know that's what you teach.
Messiah is not the principle subject of any real prophesy.
Israel is.
or Satan is.

Christ's Work for Daniel's people WAS AND IS NOT Finished.
not Fulfilled.
Jerusalem magically was not destroyed in 70AD

cuz some pharisees didn't believe Plan B kicked in.

k....ya.
been here done this.
you don't care...got it.
 
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ya i know that's what you teach.
Messiah is not the principle subject of any real prophesy.
Israel is.
or Satan is.

Christ's Work for Daniel's people WAS AND IS NOT Finished.
not Fulfilled.
Jerusalem magically was not destroyed in 70AD

cuz some pharisees didn't believe Plan B kicked in.

k....ya.
been here done this.
you don't care...got it.
there you go again.

I am sick of your lies, your false accusations. and everything else you do. I could care less if you wish to talk to me again, friends like you I do not need.

But if you think I am just going to let you put your conspiracy theories and beliefs up here without giving an alternate view for people to read. you can think again. You do not like it. thats to bad. But stop accusing people of believing stuff they do not believe!


3/4 of what you just stated about me are false accusations. Bearing false witness, According to scripture is a sin, If it were not for Grace, you would be in trouble. But something tells me you do not care. Thats ok. I forgive ya, Just like God forgives ya, I just hope you realise soon what you are doing, and it is NOT from God.
 
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Jesus spoke of the beginning of " BIRTH PAINS" before the end of the world as we know it...... please this is not about pre or post tribulation.... but about what we as the children of the MOST HIGH GOD see in the world today, and as Jesus Christ our Lord as told us to do "WATCH" and gave us examples ( parables) of how we ought to watch for the sign of the end........

If you would like to add so all can know what you are witnessing in the world today, has brought us closer to the delivery of the plan of God to redeem the world he has created and all HE love that is in it....


I see us at entering into the emergency door, and not made it to a nurse or doctor to tell them we are in labor and about to have THE BABY,..... We know the the pain is here, yet have not got to the place to get help for the delivery.... I would call it 5 centimeters.....

Remember we only need 10 before the baby comes..... do you think we are still in 5 months, 6, 7, 8, 8 1/2 ?? where is this world today from what you see and know according to scriptures for the birth of God's great plan of salvation??
It appears that we must be very close. The question is how close? 5 years? 10? 50 or a 100 years is still a just a small part of a nano-second to God but it's obvious to me that the time is ripe with Israel and Islam ramping up tensions. False prophets, wars here, there and everywhere, earthquakes increasing in frequency and intensity.....and then they will deliver you to tribulation, "The time will come that they will kill you thinking they are doing God's will". Be watching for an awesomely charismatic world leader to establish a 7 year peace treaty between Israel and her enemies. Come Lord Jesus.
 

zone

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so 'the prince who is to come' (the future Antichrist) will make a covenant?

Jesus is the one mentioned in Daniel 9, not satan or some other demonic figure!

The Covenant is the New Covenant IN HIS BLOOD.
shed for the remission of sins.

Daniel 9
24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
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Messiah is not the principle subject of the prophesy.

Daniels people and the city of Jerusalem are the subject..

We do not just throw context out of our interpretation just so we can force the passage to fit our belief system. The messiah was mentioned twice. He came (end of 69th week) and God killed. Nothing else in the whole passage speaks of the messiah. The whole prophesy is a record of things to come. it spams hundreds of years just until messiah came.. It would be foolish to assume it finished there.
ya i know that's what you teach.
Messiah is not the principle subject of any real prophesy.
Israel is.
or Satan is.

Christ's Work for Daniel's people WAS AND IS NOT Finished.
not Fulfilled.
Jerusalem magically was not destroyed in 70AD

cuz some pharisees didn't believe Plan B kicked in.

k....ya.
been here done this.
you don't care...got it.

there you go again.
I am sick of your lies, your false accusations. and everything else you do. I could care less if you wish to talk to me again, friends like you I do not need.

But if you think I am just going to let you put your
conspiracy theories
and beliefs up here without giving an alternate view for people to read. you can think again. You do not like it. thats to bad. But stop accusing people of believing stuff they do not believe!

3/4 of what you just stated about me are false accusations. Bearing false witness, According to scripture is a sin, If it were not for Grace, you would be in trouble. But something tells me you do not care. Thats ok. I forgive ya, Just like God forgives ya, I just hope you realise soon what you are doing, and it is NOT from God.
Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy













from the going forth of the commandment
to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks
the street shall be built again
and the wall
even in troublous times.





And after threescore and two weeks
shall Messiah be cut off
but not for himself





and the people of the prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood
and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined.





And he shall confirm the covenant
with many for one week
and in the midst of the week
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate
even until the consummation
and that determined
shall be poured upon the desolate.









Luke 19:42
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem

41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”






"the Messiah, who is the principal subject of the prophecy
; and the work which, according to this, he was to perform was, during that "one week," to exert such an influence as would tend to establish a covenant between the people and God....all designed to procure for them the friendship and favor of God, and to unite them to him in the bonds of an enduring covenant.
Barnes

.................

(a) By the preaching of the Gospel he affirmed his promise, first to the Jews, and after to the Gentiles.
(b) Christ accomplished this by his death and resurrection.
(c) Meaning that Jerusalem and the sanctuary would be utterly destroyed because of their rebellion against God, and their idolatry: or as some read, that the plague will be so great, that they will all be astonished at them.
Geneva

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And we find, accordingly, that when Christ came he was generally looked for as the consolation of Israel, and redemption in Jerusalem by him, Lu. 2:25, 38...It does serve still to refute and silence the expectations of unbelievers, who will not own that Jesus is he who should come, but still look for another....This prediction should silence them, and will condemn them; for, reckon these seventy weeks from which of the commandments to build Jerusalem we please, it is certain that they have expired above 1500 years ago; so that the Jews are for ever without excuse, who will not own that the Messiah has come when they have gone so far beyond their utmost reckoning for his coming. But by this we are confirmed in our belief of the Messiah's being come, and that our Jesus is he, that he came just at the time prefixed, a time worthy to be had in everlasting remembrance.
Matthew Henry
Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy




Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy













from the going forth of the commandment
to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince
shall be seven weeks and threescore and two weeks
the street shall be built again
and the wall
even in troublous times.





And after threescore and two weeks
shall Messiah be cut off
but not for himself





and the people of the prince that shall come
shall destroy the city and the sanctuary
and the end thereof shall be with a flood
and unto the end of the war
desolations are determined.





And he shall confirm the covenant
with many for one week
and in the midst of the week
he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease
and for the overspreading of abominations
he shall make it desolate
even until the consummation
and that determined
shall be poured upon the desolate.









Luke 19:42
Jesus Weeps over Jerusalem

41And when he drew near and saw the city, he wept over it, 42saying, “Would that you, even you, had known on this day the things that make for peace! But now they are hidden from your eyes. 43For the days will come upon you, when your enemies will set up a barricade around you and surround you and hem you in on every side 44and tear you down to the ground, you and your children within you. And they will not leave one stone upon another in you, because you did not know the time of your visitation.”








Seventy weeks
determined upon thy people
and upon thy holy city
to finish the transgression
and to make an end of sins
and to make reconciliation for iniquity
and to bring in everlasting righteousness
and to seal up the vision and prophecy
and to anoint the most Holy




Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit
huge reply with no meat.

Daniel prayed for his people and his city.

GFabriel answered for his people and his city.

Messiah came at the end of the 69th week as prophesied.

7 days later he was cut off.

almost 40 year later the people of the prince who is to come destroyed jerusalem (we are already far outside the 70 week time frame)

wars have continued in the region starting on 70 ad and continuing till today, jerusalem is still desolate. the time determined is still in effect.
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Jerusalem is still in gentile hands, Israel is still in sin. there is no peace in the area of where daniel prayed, and has not been since 70 AD.

When we see peace there. and "All Israel saved" we will see the fulfillment of this prophesy.

Until then.. believe what you wish.
 

zone

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no...just conspiracy theories:rolleyes:
i say it's about Jesus.

you say no meat because i refuse to attribute the Work of Messiah (for Daniel's people) to SATAN.

and to blaspheme by playing games with the 70th WEEK - the most important time EVER in the History of the World (except the Second Advent).

and no meat because i refuse to play games with some BOGUS future 1,000 years that doesn't exist.

ya i know that's what you teach.

Messiah is not the principle subject of any real prophesy.

Israel is.
or Satan is.

Christ's Work for Daniel's people WAS AND IS NOT Finished.
not Fulfilled.


Jerusalem magically was not destroyed in 70AD

cuz some pharisees didn't believe Plan B kicked in.

k....ya.
been here done this.
you don't care...got it.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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no...just conspiracy theories:rolleyes:
i say it's about Jesus.

you say no meat because i refuse to attribute the Work of Messiah (for Daniel's people) to SATAN.
lol. No you attribute the abomination of desolation (the work of satan) to Christ. talk about blasphemy.

I say no meat. because you destroy context. But then again. people do that when they try to force a passage to fit their belief system, and not force their belief system to fit the passage.

and to blaspheme by playing games with the 70th WEEK - the most important time EVER in the History of the World (except the Second Advent).
Your the one playing games with it.. and it is not the most important to the history of the world. It was ONLY about Isreal. not the world.. daniel was not praying for the world.. but you can;t see this..


and no meat because i refuse to play games with some BOGUS future 1,000 years that doesn't exist.
according to you. but thats ok, you do not have to believe it.. no one is forcing you to do anything.. but you sure are not acting very christian like condemning everyone who does..
 

loveme1

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Zone and EG what do you make of this?

Daniel 12

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]But go thou thy way till the end be: for thou shalt rest, and stand in thy lot at the end of the days.