India only for the Hindus????

[blessdani]

Hi.....this happened day before yesterday....my mom and I took a stroll on the road near our home....and a man was sitting on a bench on the pavement...and he kept staring at us as we crossed him......and after we had crossed him he shouted loudly "India belongs only to the Hindus...Muslims and Christian cannot live here for long"...I was so shocked..I mean,we never did anything to him...we had crossed him quietly...but he kept shouting at us...he was not a madman...he looked like a learned man....that night I couldn't sleep...his words kept ringing in my ears....I'm not sure whether his words will come to past...but the things happening around us are showing that those days aren't far away....please pray for this...

 

[Spokenpassage]

"Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous! Do not tremble or be dismayed, for the Lord your God is with you wherever you go."

Joshua 1:9 NASB

 

[rocky085]

hello Blessdani

India does not belong to one community, one religion or one race.
I am really sorry for what happened irrespective of religion it should not happen to anyone.

That man is just ignorant or may be a religious party might have brain washed him. JUST IGNORE THEM

 

[SweetShelly35]

What a lot of people seem to forget is India was made by God for God. Thats all I need to know.

 

[MarkMulder]

Some guy shouts something, so what? The earth is the Lord's!

 

[Friend_in_christ]

A random guy shouted that.You don't need to consider his words just ignore.I think in few north-east or north-west states most of them are brain washed with those hinduism parties.You don't need to worry,India doesn't belongs to one religion.Our 'Rajyangam' provides us the right to choose any religion we want.I will pray for you.

 

[sureshjames]

Hi.....this happened day before yesterday....my mom and I took a stroll on the road near our home....and a man was sitting on a bench on the pavement...and he kept staring at us as we crossed him......and after we had crossed him he shouted loudly "India belongs only to the Hindus...Muslims and Christian cannot live here for long"...I was so shocked..I mean,we never did anything to him...we had crossed him quietly...but he kept shouting at us...he was not a madman...he looked like a learned man....that night I couldn't sleep...his words kept ringing in my ears....I'm not sure whether his words will come to past...but the things happening around us are showing that those days aren't far away....please pray for this...

Dont worry , Just ignore him nothing bad will happen to you


IF GOD IS FOR US WHO CAN BE AGAINST US?

you will be safe always God will protect you

 

[ji]

Hi.....this happened day before yesterday....my mom and I took a stroll on the road near our home....and a man was sitting on a bench on the pavement...and he kept staring at us as we crossed him......and after we had crossed him he shouted loudly "India belongs only to the Hindus...Muslims and Christian cannot live here for long"...I was so shocked..I mean,we never did anything to him...we had crossed him quietly...but he kept shouting at us...he was not a madman...he looked like a learned man....that night I couldn't sleep...his words kept ringing in my ears....I'm not sure whether his words will come to past...but the things happening around us are showing that those days aren't far away....please pray for this...

They are saying it correct since India is a hindu country with history going back to 1000"s of years.Pray to God to give you Peace,and Pray for him too..grudge will be removed from your heart.i am also indian & Christian...And i live in india too..

Let him bark,God will deal with him in time....!
Vengeance is Lord's.The moment you Pray for him,the matter is in God's Hands.
Playing with God is not same as it is with man,that he will learn.
Pray that he somehow come to Jesus....
Its not easy to Pray in these situations,but we must..

 

[sanglina]

A random guy shouted that.You don't need to consider his words just ignore.I think in few north-east or north-west states most of them are brain washed with those hinduism parties.You don't need to worry,India doesn't belongs to one religion.Our 'Rajyangam' provides us the right to choose any religion we want.I will pray for you.

Would be interesting to know in which part of "northeast states most of them are brainwashed with those hinduism parties". I am a north easterner myself and as far as my memory is concerned, hindutva ideology (including their political wing BJP) have never been popular in these part of the countries.

To the OP, the RSS and Hindutva parties have been shouting the same thing over the years, so we can only pray about it. We never know because if Modi comes to power (which is very likely going by the popular polls), anything is possible. During their last governance, BJP (NDA alliance) banned the slaughter of cows. So, we never know what holds for us this time...

 

[sanglina]

Would be interesting to know in which part of "northeast states most of them are brainwashed with those hinduism parties". I am a north easterner myself and as far as my memory is concerned, hindutva ideology (including their political wing BJP) have never been popular in these part of the countries.

To the OP, the RSS and Hindutva parties have been shouting the same thing over the years, so we can only pray about it. We never know because if Modi comes to power (which is very likely going by the popular polls), anything is possible. During their last governance, BJP (NDA alliance) banned the slaughter of cows. So, we never know what holds for us this time...

*country*



Here are a couple of articles I came across on FB (which I feel goes along the line of what the OP fears, now that popular polls have projected BJP Prime Ministerial candidate Modi as the next PM of India)

Pastor's wife beaten up, daughter verbally abused in Uttar Pradesh

On 23rd February, (2014) a pastor's wife was beaten up by five Hindu extremists at Khujra, Bulandh shehar.

Our correspondent, Pastor Joshua David reported that at about 6:30 p.m, five Hindu extremists verbally abused, Hannah Patel, the teenage daughter of Pastor R. A Patel while she was walking on the road.

Hannah ran home to her mother, Paplesh Patel. However, the extremists followed her and stormed into the Christian home and started slapping Hannah's mother when she came to her daughter's defense.

"They slapped Paplesh Patel about five times on her face as they continued to utter verbal abuses against her and her daughter." Mr. Moti Lal, neighbour of Paplesh Patel told EFI News.

In the meantime, Paplesh Patel's husband, Pastor R. A Patel who went to a neighbouring area to conduct a marriage meeting was alerted and he rushed home.

The Evangelical Fellowship of India, Religious Liberty Commission of India approached the police official to intervene and to take appropriate actions against the culprits. (Source: EFI News)

On 28 Sept (2013) in Tiptur, Tumkur district, suspected Hindu extremists set a church construction on fire and the damage is estimated to be around rupees 15 lakhs.

According to our correspondent, Adv. Moses Muragavel, Believers Church was set ablaze at about midnight and the police have registered an FIR against the attackers.

"There are about 30 church members and we were hoping to occupy the new building by next month" Pastor Aneef told EFI News. The church meets at the rented house of Pastor Aneef. (Source: EFI News)

 

[ji]

*country*



Here are a couple of articles I came across on FB (which I feel goes along the line of what the OP fears, now that popular polls have projected BJP Prime Ministerial candidate Modi as the next PM of India)

Pastor's wife beaten up, daughter verbally abused in Uttar Pradesh

On 23rd February, (2014) a pastor's wife was beaten up by five Hindu extremists at Khujra, Bulandh shehar.

Our correspondent, Pastor Joshua David reported that at about 6:30 p.m, five Hindu extremists verbally abused, Hannah Patel, the teenage daughter of Pastor R. A Patel while she was walking on the road.

Hannah ran home to her mother, Paplesh Patel. However, the extremists followed her and stormed into the Christian home and started slapping Hannah's mother when she came to her daughter's defense.

"They slapped Paplesh Patel about five times on her face as they continued to utter verbal abuses against her and her daughter." Mr. Moti Lal, neighbour of Paplesh Patel told EFI News.

In the meantime, Paplesh Patel's husband, Pastor R. A Patel who went to a neighbouring area to conduct a marriage meeting was alerted and he rushed home.

The Evangelical Fellowship of India, Religious Liberty Commission of India approached the police official to intervene and to take appropriate actions against the culprits. (Source: EFI News)

On 28 Sept (2013) in Tiptur, Tumkur district, suspected Hindu extremists set a church construction on fire and the damage is estimated to be around rupees 15 lakhs.

According to our correspondent, Adv. Moses Muragavel, Believers Church was set ablaze at about midnight and the police have registered an FIR against the attackers.

"There are about 30 church members and we were hoping to occupy the new building by next month" Pastor Aneef told EFI News. The church meets at the rented house of Pastor Aneef. (Source: EFI News)

After they do all this things to God's people,none of them will escape the Judgement kept for them by God...they will and are falling for their own trap as they blindly follow devil.
Hope some of them will repent in time(get Saved in Christ) or along with modi and other crooked,bloody people(be it in whatever false faith) like that who are drunk in the blood of saints and others will see their hands covered with blood of the persecuted when they stand in front of God finally..there is no escape and no one can help...

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

You are experiencing the "Hindu nationalist movement in India" which "has become a pervasive cultural and political force in the country over the past 20 years."

'The World Before Her' in Context: The Hindu Nationalist Movement | The World Before Her | POV | PBS

Hi.....this happened day before yesterday....my mom and I took a stroll on the road near our home....and a man was sitting on a bench on the pavement...and he kept staring at us as we crossed him......and after we had crossed him he shouted loudly "India belongs only to the Hindus...Muslims and Christian cannot live here for long"...I was so shocked..I mean,we never did anything to him...we had crossed him quietly...but he kept shouting at us...he was not a madman...he looked like a learned man....that night I couldn't sleep...his words kept ringing in my ears....I'm not sure whether his words will come to past...but the things happening around us are showing that those days aren't far away....please pray for this...

 

[ji]

You are experiencing the "Hindu nationalist movement in India" which "has become a pervasive cultural and political force in the country over the past 20 years."

'The World Before Her' in Context: The Hindu Nationalist Movement | The World Before Her | POV | PBS

It wont last,because they don't know that the Earth and the fullness there of is ULTIMATELY GOD's...
There will be another massacre,and then those who shed the blood, must stand in front of God and those those martyrs they killed,to answer their blood..how dreadful?..none one can save them then...
So many perishing in ignorance..
sigh,how many have already brought their ticket to hell in current time...i don't know.

" It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." -they have no idea who they are going to deal with when Christians don't react back because when the one who is trying to oppress is not entertained and Righteous move out of the way the oppressors fall directly into the mouth of the Lion of Judah,and there is no escape from there...that's what i see as their end.
Pray for them,what else to do..?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

Historically, Hindu nationalism resurges in cycles. Even the sweeping Muslim genocides and democide of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent which decreased the Hindu population by 80 million people between 1000 AD (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (the end of Delhi Sultanate), which represent probably the single greatest holocaust in human history, couldn't stop Hindu nationalism from asserting itself though the forced conversions to Islam by the sword or death did result in a sizable Muslim population on the Indian subcontinent (e.g. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh).

So the history of Hindu-Muslim relations is marred by violence, which is seen even today, in India's right-wing politics and the existence of Pakistan as an Islamic state.

Interestingly, the interpersonal relationships between everyday Hindus and Muslims have been largely stable. This is much more a result of the Hindu worldview than the Islamic worldview because in Hinduism, war is undesirable as it involves killing humans.

However, Hinduism also teaches that waging war or engaging in violence is better than tolerating evil and injustice (as defined in Hinduism) and in such cases no "sin" is incurred. Hinduism does not sanction violence for the purpose of aggression or terrorizing people. What's happened with respect to Hindu nationalism is that it's followers have extended justification for intolerance and violence against those who seek to convert people away from Hinduism.

Hindu nationalism is the political philosophy of cultural nationalism and it's followers claim to be inspired by Vivekananda, Aurobindo and other modern Hindu Gurus. Hindutva is the political ideology first expressed by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar who defined a Hindu in terms of nationalism, rather than religion.

This has led to some intolerance against other religious groups for various reasons. With respect to Christians it is because of the conversion threat they pose to Indians away from Hinduism. It's the "conversion threat" really that is at the core of Hindu nationalist intolerance against Christians. Here's what that looks like:

[video=youtube_share;m553MdLipJ8]http://youtu.be/m553MdLipJ8[/video]

Honestly, I'm surprised that Hindus aren't more violent today toward Muslims considering the deep and wide violence they experienced at the hands of the Muslims for centuries.

But their violence toward Christians is misplaced as Christians do not represent a political threat to India like Muslims obviously do. Christ's kingdom "is not of this world" and is a spiritual kingdom not a political one.

But Hindus see other Hindus converting to Christianity and it's this "conversion threat" that threatens Hindu nationalism so Hindus into nationalism are intolerant of Christians too.

It wont last,because they don't know that the Earth and the fullness there of is ULTIMATELY GOD's...
There will be another massacre,and then those who shed the blood, must stand in front of God and those those martyrs they killed,to answer their blood..how dreadful?..none one can save them then...
So many perishing in ignorance..
sigh,how many have already brought their ticket to hell in current time...i don't know.

" It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God." -they have no idea who they are going to deal with when Christians don't react back because when the one who is trying to oppress is not entertained and Righteous move out of the way the oppressors fall directly into the mouth of the Lion of Judah,and there is no escape from there...that's what i see as their end.
Pray for them,what else to do..?

 

[sanglina]

Historically, Hindu nationalism resurges in cycles. Even the sweeping Muslim genocides and democide of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent which decreased the Hindu population by 80 million people between 1000 AD (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (the end of Delhi Sultanate), which represent probably the single greatest holocaust in human history, couldn't stop Hindu nationalism from asserting itself though the forced conversions to Islam by the sword or death did result in a sizable Muslim population on the Indian subcontinent (e.g. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh).

So the history of Hindu-Muslim relations is marred by violence, which is seen even today, in India's right-wing politics and the existence of Pakistan as an Islamic state.

Interestingly, the interpersonal relationships between everyday Hindus and Muslims have been largely stable. This is much more a result of the Hindu worldview than the Islamic worldview because in Hinduism, war is undesirable as it involves killing humans.

However, Hinduism also teaches that waging war or engaging in violence is better than tolerating evil and injustice (as defined in Hinduism) and in such cases no "sin" is incurred. Hinduism does not sanction violence for the purpose of aggression or terrorizing people. What's happened with respect to Hindu nationalism is that it's followers have extended justification for intolerance and violence against those who seek to convert people away from Hinduism.

Hindu nationalism is the political philosophy of cultural nationalism and it's followers claim to be inspired by Vivekananda, Aurobindo and other modern Hindu Gurus. Hindutva is the political ideology first expressed by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar who defined a Hindu in terms of nationalism, rather than religion.

This has led to some intolerance against other religious groups for various reasons. With respect to Christians it is because of the conversion threat they pose to Indians away from Hinduism. It's the "conversion threat" really that is at the core of Hindu nationalist intolerance against Christians. Here's what that looks like:

[video=youtube_share;m553MdLipJ8]http://youtu.be/m553MdLipJ8[/video]

Honestly, I'm surprised that Hindus aren't more violent today toward Muslims considering the deep and wide violence they experienced at the hands of the Muslims for centuries.

But their violence toward Christians is misplaced as Christians do not represent a political threat to India like Muslims obviously do. Christ's kingdom "is not of this world" and is a spiritual kingdom not a political one.

But Hindus see other Hindus converting to Christianity and it's this "conversion threat" that threatens Hindu nationalism so Hindus into nationalism are intolerant of Christians too.

The primary reason why Hindus persecute Christians (from firsthand knowledge) and not Muslims is because they see Christianity as religion of the West whereas they consider Muslim (and other religions like Sikh, Budhism, Jainism, etc) to be part of an "Indian" religion. The reason you cited is partially true but not the primary reason if one is to examine the ground reality.

Hindus do not persecute Indians practicing their indigenous religion like animism either. I have visited few areas in BJP ruled state like in Central India where Christians were persecuted whereas tribals practicing animism were left alone. Part of the hatred for the West by the Hindu nationalist might stem from the hatred against the past colonial rule in India. Even in classrooms(comparative religious studies), Christianity is often portrayed as religion of the West whereas other aforementioned religions are considered as part of "Indian" religion though Hindu nationalist workers would have loved seeing India as an altogether Hindu nation.

Even I and my other Christians friends have been asked casually (am sure other Christians may also be asked the same) without ill-intent by our Hindu colleagues as to why we or our parents abandoned our forefathers religion and embraced Christianity instead? We have also been subjected to questions like "Aren't you proud of your culture and your forefathers religion, why go for Western religion?" and stuffs like that. I am sure other Christians in India might have been asked similar questions atleast once by their Hindu friends, colleagues or even acquaintances. We have to keep explaining (if they were/are willing to listen) to them why we feel/see Christianity or rather Jesus as the only Way to eternal life which means we become Christians as we accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Saviour. In addition, we have to tell them that Christianity is not a religion of the West as Jesus is actually of Jewish descent and how Jesus came for all sinners regardless of geographical region, blah, blah...like that!

 

[sanglina]

To supplement my ^^ point, in 2010-11, there was an anti-Naga facebook group started probably by a Hindu nationalist workers ridiculing the Nagas and their conversion from animism to Christianity (Nagas are 90% plus Christians) and asking the Nagas to go back to animism. There were a lot of heated verbal exchange (including hate speech) from both the Hindu extremists and the young Naga facebookers (one could say religiously patriotic). There were some mature Naga Christians who tried to reason with the Hindu extremist but to no avail. The group eventually became more like Hindu v/s Christians where members from both the two parties were trying to outdo each other by exposing the 'ugliness' (or harmed) caused in the past and present by both the religion and stuffs like that. Many people reported the group and finally the group was taken down by facebook authorities.

I came to know about the group because the link was posted in most of our popular regional/community based groups in facebook asking members to report the group for its hate speech.

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

I certainly do believe this is true. Thanks for sharing it.

The primary reason why Hindus persecute Christians (from firsthand knowledge) and not Muslims is because they see Christianity as religion of the West

 

[ji]

Historically, Hindu nationalism resurges in cycles. Even the sweeping Muslim genocides and democide of Hindus on the Indian subcontinent which decreased the Hindu population by 80 million people between 1000 AD (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (the end of Delhi Sultanate), which represent probably the single greatest holocaust in human history, couldn't stop Hindu nationalism from asserting itself though the forced conversions to Islam by the sword or death did result in a sizable Muslim population on the Indian subcontinent (e.g. India, Pakistan and Bangladesh).

So the history of Hindu-Muslim relations is marred by violence, which is seen even today, in India's right-wing politics and the existence of Pakistan as an Islamic state.

Interestingly, the interpersonal relationships between everyday Hindus and Muslims have been largely stable. This is much more a result of the Hindu worldview than the Islamic worldview because in Hinduism, war is undesirable as it involves killing humans.

However, Hinduism also teaches that waging war or engaging in violence is better than tolerating evil and injustice (as defined in Hinduism) and in such cases no "sin" is incurred. Hinduism does not sanction violence for the purpose of aggression or terrorizing people. What's happened with respect to Hindu nationalism is that it's followers have extended justification for intolerance and violence against those who seek to convert people away from Hinduism.

Hindu nationalism is the political philosophy of cultural nationalism and it's followers claim to be inspired by Vivekananda, Aurobindo and other modern Hindu Gurus. Hindutva is the political ideology first expressed by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar who defined a Hindu in terms of nationalism, rather than religion.

This has led to some intolerance against other religious groups for various reasons. With respect to Christians it is because of the conversion threat they pose to Indians away from Hinduism. It's the "conversion threat" really that is at the core of Hindu nationalist intolerance against Christians. Here's what that looks like:

[video=youtube_share;m553MdLipJ8]http://youtu.be/m553MdLipJ8[/video]

Honestly, I'm surprised that Hindus aren't more violent today toward Muslims considering the deep and wide violence they experienced at the hands of the Muslims for centuries.

But their violence toward Christians is misplaced as Christians do not represent a political threat to India like Muslims obviously do. Christ's kingdom "is not of this world" and is a spiritual kingdom not a political one.

But Hindus see other Hindus converting to Christianity and it's this "conversion threat" that threatens Hindu nationalism so Hindus into nationalism are intolerant of Christians too.

Actually there is more politics involved than we see from outside....
But none of them will escape God..because He is a just God.
So from the one who manipulated(they think they won't be caught) to the brain washed who kills must answer...
Sad and pathetic never ending torture compared to the pain Martyrs get.....

 

[ji]

The primary reason why Hindus persecute Christians (from firsthand knowledge) and not Muslims is because they see Christianity as religion of the West whereas they consider Muslim (and other religions like Sikh, Budhism, Jainism, etc) to be part of an "Indian" religion. The reason you cited is partially true but not the primary reason if one is to examine the ground reality.

Hindus do not persecute Indians practicing their indigenous religion like animism either. I have visited few areas in BJP ruled state like in Central India where Christians were persecuted whereas tribals practicing animism were left alone. Part of the hatred for the West by the Hindu nationalist might stem from the hatred against the past colonial rule in India. Even in classrooms(comparative religious studies), Christianity is often portrayed as religion of the West whereas other aforementioned religions are considered as part of "Indian" religion though Hindu nationalist workers would have loved seeing India as an altogether Hindu nation.

Even I and my other Christians friends have been asked casually (am sure other Christians may also be asked the same) without ill-intent by our Hindu colleagues as to why we or our parents abandoned our forefathers religion and embraced Christianity instead? We have also been subjected to questions like "Aren't you proud of your culture and your forefathers religion, why go for Western religion?" and stuffs like that. I am sure other Christians in India might have been asked similar questions atleast once by their Hindu friends, colleagues or even acquaintances. We have to keep explaining (if they were/are willing to listen) to them why we feel/see Christianity or rather Jesus as the only Way to eternal life which means we become Christians as we accept Jesus as our personal Lord and Saviour. In addition, we have to tell them that Christianity is not a religion of the West as Jesus is actually of Jewish descent and how Jesus came for all sinners regardless of geographical region, blah, blah...like that!

Like your view except for blah..blah at the end...
Thanks for sharing your experience...

 

[sanglina]

I certainly do believe this is true. Thanks for sharing it.

You are welcome

Like your view except for blah..blah at the end...
Thanks for sharing your experience...

Hahaha...sorry about that but the blah, blah thing usually comes in like when I am not in the mood to type out the whole conversation or stuffs like that